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An intellectual population is good for a Government

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Jungelson (3959)

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Well, i see no reason for it not to be! I mean, who wants a government full of morons! Well unfortunately her in England we have one, and it's not going well! Of course if the country is clever enough, then we wouldn't have stupid people voting for someone because "he's got nice hair dunn'he!" If the country were clever enough, they could go with the government, instead of constantly kicking up riots.

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All governments consist mostly of morons. Most people who vote for them only see the external and take that as the absolute truth, which clearly shows they are morons also. Sad but true.

Democracy? More like Idiocracy.

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Jungelson (3959)

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Too true. Unfortunate but definitively true........ Nice to know not everyone is a moron.

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JakeJ (3255) Disputed

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People are always going to call the government morons no matter what happens(unless they're afraid to). It's human nature I guess.

So why target democracy? At least then the smart people have a shot. Even if it's not a great one.

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nummi (1432) Disputed

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People are always going to call the government morons no matter what happens(unless they're afraid to).

If the ones running a country are not morons then they will not be called morons. It's as simple as that. And they won't call them such because they are good with the way things are done, because things are done right.

It's human nature I guess.

No, it's not human nature. Saying it is human nature is just as stupid as saying it is God's will. How people react depends on the conditions and current conditions are idiotic.

So why target democracy?

"Democracy" might be "nice" as a concept but it is extremely flawed in reality, as is clearly observable. Because most people are, in fact, too stupid to know well themselves. And those people are used by the ones with minds easily corrupted by any kind of power. They see a means to power and they take it, all the while only caring about themselves and hoarding even more power, and money.

Not one country is really run by "the people", they are all run by the ones in power. And most of those people did not get to power by just means, they swindled their way there, and once there they don't care about anything but their own well-being. They can't let people see what they really are so they play the game as close to the edge as possible. There are, of course, exceptions but very few.

Smart people should be put to places of power. Since most people aren't smart enough on their own, the leaders may not be elected by the people, because there will always be power- and wealth-greedy idiots.

There is just an illusion of democracy, not the real thing.

Right now those idiots are running everything. So... Idiocracy, not Democracy.

But if that is exactly what this democracy is then I don't get why people are always praising it. It is so fucking ridiculous.

At least then the smart people have a shot. Even if it's not a great one.

The smart people should not just "have a shot", they should have a definite opportunity, a choice whether to be a "leader" or not, if not then there are other smart persons.

Smart don't swindle their way up, they play it fair. Although in our current ways their swindling would be acceptable, only until they get to power and correct the ways.

The way things are now must be corrected one day. I hope they will, otherwise we might as well blow up the planet and be done with it.

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JakeJ (3255) Disputed

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"If the ones running a country are not morons then they will not be called morons. It's as simple as that."

No it's not. Different people have different opinions. Why couldn't somebody falsely accuse somebody of being a moron??

"How people react depends on the conditions and current conditions are idiotic."

No matter what the conditions are there will always be people who oppose those in power often times calling them names such a morons.

To everything you said about democracy: Yes it is flawed. A good compromise is a representative Democracy.

I'm assuming when you said "this democracy" you were talking about the U.S.? Then I would correct you. You're speaking as if this is a pure Democracy it is not. It's a representative democracy. Our founders knew the flaws of a pure democracy.

"Smart people should be put to places of power. Since most people aren't smart enough on their own, the leaders may not be elected by the people, because there will always be power- and wealth-greedy idiots."

Interesting. So who chooses these "smart people"? And how does whoever's choosing pick from all of the smart people who will be in certain positions? You speak of reality but this is just unrealistic.

Freedom trumps intelligence. You give people freedom and those who choose to educate themselves will go much further. And they will have greater opportunity.

"Smart don't swindle their way up, they play it fair. Although in our current ways their swindling would be acceptable, only until they get to power and correct the ways."

Do you have a better idea? Would you rather have tyranny?

"The way things are now must be corrected one day."

How should it be corrected exactly?

11 years ago Side: Disagree

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nummi (1432) Disputed

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Different people have different opinions.

They do. And some opinions are simply stupid.

Why couldn't somebody falsely accuse somebody of being a moron??

That would only show that the accuser is a moron and I'm quite sure others would notice it also, assuming they are not morons themselves. If they are then everything's messed up.

No matter what the conditions are there will always be people who oppose those in power often times calling them names such a morons.

The ones opposing will be the morons because the ones running things are doing it right. In that case the opposers want just power for themselves, or are simply stupid, probably both.

I'm assuming when you said "this democracy" you were talking about the U.S.?

Not only US, although it is really messed up there.

It's a representative democracy.

Even that one is very flawed, as should be clearly observable.

Our founders knew the flaws of a pure democracy.

Replacing one flawed version with another is not exactly a good choice.

Interesting. So who chooses these "smart people"? And how does whoever's choosing pick from all of the smart people who will be in certain positions? You speak of reality but this is just unrealistic.

One way would be if a group or some of the "smart people" could find a way to power and then find and increase the support for them (a support based on truth not lies). I think that finding the support should be made rather secretly, outside their rivals' sight. Once they have that it should be rather easy to change things.

It is not unrealistic. People just don't go for it, they have grown up in a seemingly "safe" and comfortable world and are afraid of change. Thinking it will mess up everything when in fact it would improve everything.

Freedom trumps intelligence. You give people freedom and those who choose to educate themselves will go much further. And they will have greater opportunity.

Freedom and intelligence go together, not separately. Or at least they should.

Do you have a better idea? Would you rather have tyranny?

Better idea as in better ways of making things work? If so then yes.

Why tyranny?

How should it be corrected exactly?

Slow or fast. The further our current systems go the more it inclines toward fast, unless people on average also become smarter. Slow would be the nonviolent one, more or less.

There are many different methods that could be used, most take a lot time and effort and careful planning.

11 years ago Side: Agree

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Axmeister (4322) Disputed

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her in England we have one"

Your profile says you're French, why are you pretending to be English?

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Jungelson (3959) Clarified

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That is because i am currently situated here in England. I am however French.

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Dremorius (861)

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And an intellectual Government is also good for the population.

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Micmacmoc (2260)

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A government is made to serve the country and that can only be made easier by a more intellectual and understanding race of people. Unless you want a lot of people with no clue about anything walking around, a wise group of people is a good group of people.

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TMadden38 (187)

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Its probably about 50/50. An intellectual population makes a Government a democracy. This can be both good and bad for a Government.

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TMadden38 (187)

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Yes I would have to say that an intellectual population is good for the Government because our Government is a democracy.

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PhxDemocrat (13121)

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Education is an important factor in any Government because a Government becomes stronger with well-educated people running it.

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Good question.

It depends on the type of government. If the government is trying to control people than you don't want them to be very smart/independent etc.

If it's a government were the people have power, yes. The topic of what is good for a government is an interesting one. What is good for the population? You have to think about what the governments motives are. If the government wants what's good for the people than knowledge and education are vital.

Don't get me wrong there are countries with very powerful controlling governments who value education greatly. But they still have limits on what they can learn about. Severe limits.

11 years ago Side: Disagree

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TMadden38 (187)

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Its probably about 50/50. An intellectual population makes a Government a democracy. This can be both good and bad for a Government.

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PassionFruit (307)

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It depends on what type of government.

A government led by big companies for example hates smart people. Smart people will not buy their products. So, they usually try to keep them on their side in exchange of large amounts of money.

But in a government led by the people, it is good to have an intellectual population.

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