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Six Guns And A Knife For Emergencies
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Another Day, Another Fine Example Of "Self-Defence"

Gunman kills 10 at King Soopers grocery store



Thank goodness we men have guns to protect ourselves from gunmen.

Six Guns

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And A Knife For Emergencies

Side Score: 12
2 points

Just another normal day in the nuthouse called the US where parents think it perfectly normal that schools require armed guards , this is a perfect example of how a sick society normalizes insanity and of course labels critics of such as “nuts”

Of course you will hear in response to your topic “buh buh a gun is a “tool man” or the “equally ridiculous “ guns don’t kill people , people kill people “ .....

As usual you will hear people like 7 gunner ( and a knife) Amarel claim “ hey we don’t need guns for protection but I carry mine with my wife just in case .....we need protection”......

Stupidity is a virtue in the land of the “free” .....

Charles P .Pierce

This is a great country, in no small part because it is the best country ever devised in which to be a public crank. Never has a nation so dedicated itself to the proposition that not only should people hold nutty ideas, but they should cultivate them, treasure them, shine them up, and put them right up there on the mantelpiece. This is still the best country ever in which to peddle complete public lunacy. In fact, it’s the only country to enshrine that right in its founding documents.”

― Charles P. Pierce, Idiot America: How Stupidity Became a Virtue in the Land of the Free

The three Great Premises of Idiot America:

· Any theory is valid if it sells books, soaks up ratings, or otherwise moves units

· Anything can be true if someone says it loudly enough

· Fact is that which enough people believe. Truth is determined by how fervently they believe it

With his trademark wit and insight, veteran journalist Charles Pierce delivers a gut-wrenching, side-splitting lament about the glorification of ignorance in the United States.

Pierce asks how a country founded on intellectual curiosity has somehow deteriorated into a nation of simpletons more apt to vote for an American Idol contestant than a presidential candidate🤣🤣🤣. But his thunderous denunciation is also a secret call to action, as he hopes that somehow, being intelligent will stop being a stigma, and that pinheads will once again be pitied, not celebrated.🤣🤣🤣 Erudite and razor-sharp, Idiot America is at once an invigorating history lesson, a cutting cultural critique, and a bullish appeal to our smarter selves.

Side: Six Guns
Mint_tea(4599) Clarified
2 points

parents think it perfectly normal that schools require armed guards

I don't think there is a single parent that I know of that thinks armed guards at school is normal. Necessary? Maybe. I don't want them there but unless the gun "nuts" (yes I am labeling some people as nuts) can start negotiating with those who want better protection (without total removal) and any/all loopholes closed with gun ownership, I don't see it changing. It goes the same for people who think ALL removal of guns is necessary. There HAS to be a middle ground and we need to start working towards it. Will it be completely effective? Won't know until we at least TRY.

Dermot you are basing your opinion of all Americans, on the worst of Americans. Don't fall victim to Anything can be true if someone says it loudly enough. Believe me, plenty of asshole Americans are loud enough to make others think they are the majority. They are not.

Side: Six Guns
Jody(1747) Clarified
3 points

I don't think there is a single parent that I know of that thinks armed guards at school is normal. Necessary? Maybe

Really? Have they not become accepted and a societal norm?

If Americans don’t think it’s normal it speaks of a dysfunctional society who use abnormal remedies to cover up a problem that isn’t going away

. I don’t want them there but unless the gun "nuts" (yes I am labeling some people as nuts) can start negotiating with those who want better protection (without total removal) and any/all loopholes closed with gun ownership, I don't see it changing. It goes the same for people who think ALL removal of guns is necessary. There HAS to be a middle ground and we need to start working towards it. Will it be completely effective? Won't know until we at least TRY.

Most societies worldwide are gun free for the majority of citizens

The US ranks 126 th in the worlds safest countries and has fallen every year since 2016

Dermot you are basing your opinion of all Americans, on the worst of Americans. Don't fall victim to Anything can be true if someone says it loudly enough. Believe me, plenty of asshole Americans are loud enough to make others think they are the majority. They are not.

Yes apologies on that I normally say a fair proportion I forgot to do so this time

Side: Six Guns
2 points

It's hard to argue that the NRA and Republican Party have made the United States one of the most dangerous countries to live in. It's only hard to argue because 40% or more won't believe it! But then, much of that same 40% refuse to believe we need a vaccine or a mask for covid19. That same group believes FOX News and Newsmax, etc., are the only honest newspeople. Yep. Stupidity reigns in at least 40% of these (Un-) United States. It's caused by a disease we might call GOPNRA, a mental disease. :-(

Side: Six Guns
5 points

GOPNRA disease is real and that's the perfect name for it.

I've been interested in psychology all my life and I've followed the rabbit down a hole or two over the years. We live in an age where our minds are constantly bombarded with messaging and a lot of that messaging is bad for everybody. We humans have weaknesses that have been studied, tested and exploited for so long now that we're in real danger of enslavement. Over the past one hundred years psychological experimentation has been done on humans that have revealed our weaknesses. There are methods that when used can manipulate us.

I know anybody reading this has to be thinking about how crazy I am, but I would urge you to delve a bit into Sigmund Freud and his relationship with his nephew Edward Bernays. Durring the time that Freud was making his incredible discoveries about the human mind he was corresponding with his nephew Edward Bernays who lived in the United States. Freud, being a doctor, was interested in using his discoveries to help his patients and the patients of other doctors. Edward Bernays, (also a genius) wasn't interested in helping patients, he was only interested in using his uncles discoveries to make a lot of money, and that's exactly what he did.

Edward Bernays started what was first given the name "Public Relations" and that's exactly what it started out to be. He was using Freudian psychology to advertise for companies that paid him to help sell their products. Very few people are aware of the impact that Edward Bernays had on our society and in fact the world. Before Edward Bernays and Public Relations existed, Americans ate porridge for breakfast, similar to what the English ate for breakfast at that time. The pork industry, the flour mill industry and the Egg grower industry paid him to increase their sales so Edward Bernays changed the American breakfast to Bacon, Eggs and Toast, and it only got worse after that.

I'm not sure I remember correctly which Tobacco company paid him to get women to smoke cigarets but he was paid and he got women to smoke and this is how he did it: At that time the women's suffrage movement was huge. It was a very big deal and very important to women. At that time, very few women smoked and that drove the tobacco companies crazy so they paid Edward Bernays to change that. There was a big parade for women's suffrage down the streets of New York City one fine day. Edward Bernays had a float built for the parade and he hired a group of very nice looking well dressed young women to ride on his float. These were college girls and they all wore the same dress which was their schools uniform. They were all very attractive sharply dressed young women.

Back in those days, in order for a photograph to be taken, the subject would have to stop and freeze for the photographer who was standing under a hood behind his wooden box camera viewing the subjects image upside down. Each float would stop in front of the photographers booth and everyone on that float would freeze long enough for the photo to be taken. As the float that Edward Bernays had built stoped in front of the photographer's camera, each one of the lovely young ladies on his float pulled out a cigarette and lit it up and then they all froze in place together, prominently displaying their cigarettes for all the world to see.

And all the world did see that picture, Edward Bernays made sure of that. That's how Edward Bernays tied smoking to the women's suffrage movement. The message sent was clear; "Liberated women should smoke just like men." Very quickly, tobacco sales skyrocketed. Remember the Virginia Slims ad campaign slogan "You've come a long way baby"? That's where it came from.

Since that time, Public Relations has evolved into Advertising Science which is the science of getting into our heads. It's real, and billions of dollars are spent to study and refine it each and every year.

Does anyone think that money would be spent each year if it didn't work?

Side: Six Guns
3 points

Since that time, Public Relations has evolved into Advertising Science which is the science of getting into our heads. It's real, and billions of dollars are spent to study and refine it each and every year.

Does anyone think that money would be spent each year if it didn't work?

Very good piece and spot on and it’s spawned different industries as in “Human Resources “which in most companies is a joke and also the other ridiculous industry “life coaching” I recieved an invite by a life coach to sign up he told me I could get 100,000 followers on my social media accounts “easily” following his plan , I asked him how come he only had 1,500 followers .....no response

I like you have been fascinated by psychology all my life which had me falling in love with magic/mentalism as a kid and to this day still am because it’s truly wonderful how easily humans follow patterns of behaviour and can be so easily manipulated its also great fun and highly entertaining

Side: Six Guns

We humans have weaknesses that have been studied, tested and exploited for so long now that we're in real danger of enslavement.

The only difference I see between the modern worker and the slave is that the modern worker isn't chained up. But that's a question of method rather than definition. The methods of oppression have changed from physical to psychological. Everything in our society repeats the message to us that we should work, but what is made a lot less clear is why. Questions of why we should work inevitably lead to the arbitrary problems and restrictions capitalism has placed on our way of life. For example, you must work to feed your family, or put yourself through college etc... But this is just a deflection; a smokescreen of human imposed physical restrictions obfuscating the fact that our will to work is only integral to the functionalism of capitalism, not the functionalism of ourselves. What if we are not motivated by these factors (i.e. don't have a family, aren't interested in college etc...)? What if we simply value our time too much to sell it? The system forces us into labour just the same.

Some great insights on Bernays by the way buddy.

Side: Six Guns
3 points

. It's caused by a disease we might call GOPNRA, a mental disease. :-(

You nailed it Al it’s seems like these people take pride in their collective ignorance it’s a mercy that good people like you still speak out against this insanity

Side: Six Guns
3 points

I own a few guns, I've owned guns all my life. As a kid, I was a pheasant hunting fanatic and elk hunter and ground squirrel murderer. I feel bad about the ground squirrels, I killed a lot of them, uh oh, I forgot about rabbits. Ok, I think you get the picture, I was a turd.

Here's my claim: There's no way in hell that any any civilian needs to have high capacity magazines or assault style weapons.

If some asshole claims he's such a bad shot that he needs a 30 round clip to kill a deer, get that fucking weapon away from him as soon as humanly possible.

There is no excuse to have a gun like that. Those guns are meant to do one thing - to kill humans. They were designed and built to do one thing, spray a lot of bullets toward human beings.

Let me pretend for the sake of the argument that I’m a legislator. I’ve drafted a bill and am putting it forward for a vote.

I maintain that the meaning of the Second Amendment has been distorted so much that it’s implementation is completely wrong. Gun nuts only quote PART of the Second Amendment and that part is this: “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed”. Oddly enough, the first part of the Second Amendment is almost never quoted. Of course, the reason for that is because when read in its entirety, the Second Amendment is a very different thing than it is currently perceived and practiced to be. As it is now, no one is required to belong to a well regulated militia in order to be allowed to bear Arms. I’d change that. I’d require membership in a “well regulated Militia” for anyone who wishes to be allowed to bear arms.

Of course, ‘well regulated’ means Federally regulated.

Here's the second Amendment in it’s entirety, there really isn't much to it: A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed

That's it, short and sweet. Where in that amendment does it say the Arms in question should be able to spray bullets, thirty at a time?

The Second Amendment was written in the era of the muzzleloading musket. The time has come to honor the Constitution and the Founders of our country who created the Second Amendment, by doing exactly what it says. It's not complicated, just do what the Second Amendment says, word by word.

This would be the first draft of my bill:

1. Restrict ownership of Arms to those people who belong to a United States Federal Government well regulated Militia

2. Since the Second Amendment was written in the era of the muzzleloader, the Arms in question will be muzzleloading muskets because the founders could never have envisioned that a single man could hold in his two hands the firepower of an entire company of Federal soldiers as they were Armed at the time the Second Amendment was written. Original intenet.

3. Those civilians who become members of a federally well regulated militia will be able to carry as many as three muzzleloading muskets at any one time. (they’re very heavy)

After that bill becomes the law of the land it would be time to negotiate towards a more reasonable position where hunters could own normal hunting firearms but the assault weapons and simi-automatic hand guns for civilians would be gone forever.

Most people would consider my plan draconian, I do, but if that's what it takes to separate these clowns from military weapons so be it.

That’s what would happen if it were up to me. Essentially, I’d take all of their guns.

That’s pretty far from where we are now, where we have heavily armed goons dressed up like swat team members threatening to storm the nation’s Capital building again and mentally deranged psychopaths who can easily buy military weapons and walk into a school or a church or a grocery store and spray bullets.

That’s my big fuck you to cowardly idiots who have to have weapons of mass destruction under their beds in order to feel safe enough to sleep at night.

Side: And A Knife For Emergencies
Amarel(5473) Banned
1 point

I'm gonna take Noms position on this one. This Ahmad Al Aliwi Alissa wouldn't have had to arm himself for the shooting if cops and everyone did have access to their own guns. It's just an escalation. The gunman needed the Assault o Rama 15 to defend against the possibility of assaultive "defense" by his victims.

As it is though, no one in the store had a gun. Which is definitely a good thing. We don't want people walking around thinking it's ok to carry a hidden gun in a grocery store. Those people are twisted. Guns are meant to kill people and that's what they make people want to do.

Knives, on the other hand, are basic kitchen tools. They don't make people feel stabby. If someone in the store would have had a knife, it wouldn't have been to difficult to get within 21 feet of the shooter, which would render his guns completely useless. I wouldn't be surprised to hear that the evil cop who was killed was probably stupid enough to bring a gun to a gun fight. The rest of the cops probably have Nom level expertise and came with knives to the gun fight. When the shooter realized his guns were completely useless against the cop knives, he gave up. It's pretty clear from this situation that the US and the World would be infinitely better of if the number of guns in the US was infinitely small.

Now doesn't take this next position, but I think we need to address the white supremacy of the situation. It seemed like a simple white supremacists shooting at first. But it turns out to be more complicated then that. Ahmed's family immigrated from Syria. Ahmed was bullied for having a girls name (Alissa), which is white supremacy. So it was white supremacy that drove him crazy enough to kill all those white folks.

But all that racial thinking made me realize that Nom hasn't used the ongoing mass death in Chicago as a call from arms. 116 killed there just this year. Those victims are mostly black, so Nom doesn't care. But as soon as white people start dying, well then we all need to pay attention, mourn the victims, and (most importantly) take away all the guns from all the people who never kill people.

That's just typical racist Nom being super racist. When a super racist ant-semite happens to be a raging screamo Marxist, you're dealing with a Nazi. Nomzi.

Side: And A Knife For Emergencies
Mongele(512) Banned
0 points

Due to your obtuseness and arrogance you will never, but never be able to comprehend the eye-watering high level of your hypocrisy.

Try hard you thick shit, to consider what you just stated;- ''I owed guns and always did'';- but no one should own a gun which doesn't conform to my specification.

''I used to hunt Elk''; what a shame the Elk didn't have a gun.

Do you in your wildest dreams honestly believe that any sane person would waste their time reading all that self-indulgent shit you posted?

No one of any substance gives a shit about you, not here in the virtual world or in real life.

Do you still have guns? if you do then go and shoot yourself and give us all a break.

Dying of cancer takes too long.

Side: And A Knife For Emergencies
Rusticus(810) Disputed
2 points

Do you still have guns? if you do then go and shoot yourself and give us all a break.

Oh you poor little Squirt, I'm pretty sure I'm going to outlive you but of course you can dream all you like

By the way, it feels good being in your head. Sure is a lot of room to run about and play in there!

Side: Six Guns
1 point

Dying of cancer takes too long.

Yes, thankfully banning sociopaths from my debates is much faster.

Side: Six Guns