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 Anti Moralists have created the no fault America, no accountability for one's choices. (10)

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Anti Moralists have created the no fault America, no accountability for one's choices.

"Evolution made me do it, I am but a progrmmed animal spreading my gene pool to as many women as possible"

This is the indoctrination of our youth from so called educated people in this nation. They know all the big words to try and impress. One might think them intelligent with valuable insights to life. One would be wrong!

It is human nature to take the easy way out, avoiding the blame, the embarrassment and the repurcussions of irresponsble choices we make. This is why the no fault ideology from the Left is playing well with our youth. Many of our young adults think they have all the answers to life. They are indistructable! They want to party every night, have hook ups in bars each weekend, drink themselves into stupors, take drugs, etc. and it is not their fualt. They are just acting on their evolutionary nature. When that one night stand turns into a pregnant girl, what is the response from the Left? If you are the pregnant girl, they tell you to abort the child. If you want the child, have it and the father has no responsibility to raise that child. Government will be the father! This knd of anti Morallist mentality is why our welfre roles are so swollen and why so many of our children are not being raised by a mother & father. Anti Morralists say they are just following their evolutionary animal instincts, that they have no control over their choices, that it is not their fault! What do you think that kind of message does to irresponsible teens? THEY LOVE IT! The problem being that the tax payers are left with the bill! Anti Morralists tell us there should be no personal accountability for those actions.

 

You would think after decades of this so called progressive no fault ideology being taught to our kids, and the harm it is doing to our culture, that an intelligent people might wake up one day & say, THIS DOES NOT WORK! They would admit that moral values being tught to our youth DOES WORK! It is not rocket science watching our culture deteriorate decade after decade, to know that our past traditional values did work & we should try lifting up the values of responsibility & accountability once more in this nation.

 

Nah, the anti morralists will double down & just add Trillions more in socail programs to combat this no fault culture. What happens when the money runs out as it already has done with 18 TRILLION in debt?

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In case you weren't aware, they have medications for Psychosis. You really should give them a try. It must be terrifying to live in such a delusion.

Jace(5222) Clarified
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To the contrary, such delusion is the only way people like this can cope with reality. They are so addicted and dependent upon the comfort it provides them that they cannot stand even the slightest suggestion that their views are divorced from and contradictory to reality.

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This is not the anti-moralist stance, nor is anti-moralism widespread (believe me).

Anti-moralism, more accurately described: Morality is a framework from which people project their personal, subjective judgement onto other persons or events. What we consider moral is dependent upon our genetic inheritance and social conditioning, and is in no way dependent upon objective reality. Morality is not necessary for accountability, and can even interfere with achieving an effective accountability. Morality interferes with other social mechanisms as well, and our species would be better off without if we could evolve beyond it.

Amarel(5669) Clarified
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What concept, principle, or mechanism would you use to determine what one should be accountable for and how to bring one to account?

Jace(5222) Clarified
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I think accountability should be a consideration of optimally objective determination. In other words, a person should be held accountable if it is more beneficial for this occur than not for all proximal parties. Where accountability is the most logical course, the manner of the response should be similarly conditioned by a consideration of the relative costs and benefits (e.g. prison vs. therapy vs. community service vs. etc.). Basically, accountability considered as the best possible consequence for those behaviors reasonably understood to need addressing and/or correction within the interpersonal context.

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Jace.....do you have any idea how scary it is what you just said? You are saying since everyone's sense of moral values differ, we therefore would be better off without them. This is mind blowing to think we have people such as yourself so insecure and paranoid to worry if someone might judge you for perceived immoral choices in life. Ask yourself why you care so what other's think and that other's might express their moral value system. Can you grasp the notion of free expression?

The things you are saying are expressing your own moral values! Can you spell hypocrite? Your moral value system says there should be no moral value system. Is this the load of garbage Progressive Professors teach in College?

Morals are a good thing whether you agree with them or not. THEY DO WORK! Every parent in the world thankfully tries to instill moral values to their children. Values that will someday help deter them from ruining their lives with irresponsible choices. What has PROVEN not to work is exactly what you are subscribing. Our new age no fault Liberal America is a shambles of it's former self. Our families broken, our welfare roles swollen, our Politicians spending us into bankruptcy, all to pander to their voting blocks vs the good of our nation. What politicians are doing is IMMORAL! That is the world you want, where no man is burdened by some moral code. His only plight in life will be one where the ends justify the means.

Why is it people who think as you do, do not posses the most basic common sense wisdom to see what is happening to our culture since this anti moralist Progressive movement has been taking hold.

Have you looked at the animal kingdom? Have you seen the brutality of nature? Predators start eating their prey before it is even dead, but Liberals would ban hunting if they could. A Hunter's bullet is the most humane death any animal could ever hope for. Do you understand that the evolved animal kingdom is survival of the fittest? In your world of evolution, there would be no compassion, love, forgiveness, because these are what you would call outdated notions of moral values taught by an outdated moral nation. The Evolutionary theory is one of extinction where the most powerful will survive & the weak compassionate people burdened by morals will disappear.

This is exactly what was described in the Bible. I'm sure for you the Bible is just a man made book built upon stupid notions of morality. Your beliefs are your right and i am not trying to convert you into anything. It's just amazing how many things happening in this world were foretold in a Bible written thousands of years ago. Even for people who do not believe in God, they should admit the good that comes from the teaching of moral values to our children. The Bible said that man would rebel from the truth and follow his own way. It said man would revel in self love and fight against everything good & true in life. You fit that description to a tee. How could any person find fault with moral values that try to prevent fatherless children, drug addictions, alcoholism, unwed mothers, etc. etc. These things are a result of immoral choices in life whether you want to admit it or not. Do you even care for all these people ruining their lives?

Your philosophy is turning America into just one more third world nation, bankrupted from irresponsibility and dare I say immorality.

Atrag(5666) Clarified
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Jace... I don't understand what you're saying but I'm going to rant at you about how evil you all are but the judgement of FromWithin.

Good job buddy!!

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Thank you Atrag.

Jace(5222) Disputed
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Jace.....do you have any idea how scary it is what you just said?

I am well aware that most people find my views scary, yes. That alone does not invalidate them, particularly as the fear usually stems from misunderstanding my perspective and compensating for that with a lot of false assumptions (prime example, your post).

You are saying since everyone's sense of moral values differ, we therefore would be better off without them. [...] Can you grasp the notion of free expression?

No, that is not what I am saying at all.

I also genuinely do not care at all what anyone thinks of my actions or opinions, in no small part because I understand their judgement to be entirely subjective.

The things you are saying are expressing your own moral values! Can you spell hypocrite? Your moral value system says there should be no moral value system. Is this the load of garbage Progressive Professors teach in College?

That is like saying an atheist is expressing theistic views by denying that god exists. It does not follow. I have literally no morals.

I have already told you I did not adopt nihilism from any educational institution or professor.

Morals are a good thing whether you agree with them or not. THEY DO WORK! [...]

I never said that morals do not work. I said morality is less effective than the amoral alternative can be, because it does not have to reflect objective reality. I explicitly observed that accountability can exist without morality; we do not have to think that something is wrong to understand that it is dysfunctional.

What has PROVEN not to work is exactly what you are subscribing. Our new age no fault Liberal America is a shambles of it's former self. [...]

Amorality has not been proven dysfunctional because it has never been implemented. Just because you find liberal morality to be immoral does not make it amoral. Stop confounding the two; this is one discussion you cannot simplify into a liberal-conservative dichotomy if you ever hope to grasp what I am saying.

That is the world you want, where no man is burdened by some moral code. His only plight in life will be one where the ends justify the means.

The world I want is humanity unburdened from an inconsistent moral code. Rather than wasting our energy in asserting and defending arbitrary and subjective moral codes, we would be able to collaborate towards that which is objectively preferable.

Ends vs. means is a false dichotomy since cause and effect is an ongoing process.

Why is it people who think as you do, do not posses the most basic common sense wisdom to see what is happening to our culture since this anti moralist Progressive movement has been taking hold.

There is no "anti-moralist Progressive movement".

Have you looked at the animal kingdom? Have you seen the brutality of nature? In your world of evolution, there would be no compassion, love, forgiveness, because these are what you would call outdated notions of moral values taught by an outdated moral nation.

Have you looked at our species? Have you seen our brutality? We obliterate entire populations for our personal gain, and partake in genocides and wars that kill millions. Get off your egocentric high horse. Other species also express compassion, love, and forgiveness... they just do not have to come up with morals to justify and compel those expressions.

The Evolutionary theory is one of extinction where the most powerful will survive & the weak compassionate people burdened by morals will disappear.

Whether you like evolution or not does not change the reality of its existence. Humans are absolutely governed by the same evolutionary principles as every other species, we just happen to be the only species that we know of that needs to explain its natural behavior. I would much rather that we acknowledge our nature upfront than hide it behind a delusion of moral superiority.

This is exactly what was described in the Bible. [...] It's just amazing how many things happening in this world were foretold in a Bible written thousands of years ago.

I think your Bible is just another book written by people to propagate a moral lie and secure power for certain persons over others. Its predictions are so vague and subjective as to be unimpressive, and its claims are hardly original or unique to itself.

Even for people who do not believe in God, they should admit the good that comes from the teaching of moral values to our children.

Obviously, I disagree. You have given no substantive basis for me to consider your opinion even remotely valid.

The Bible said that man would rebel from the truth and follow his own way. [...] Do you even care for all these people ruining their lives?

Actually, I do not fit that description at all but thank you for trying to discredit my character. I do not feel the need to defend myself against your baseless disparagement, but suffice it to say that I do not need morality to have pro-social instincts. In fact, abandoning morality has made me increasingly judgmental of others which allows me to meet them wherever they are in their lives as they are.

I also do not need morality to tell me that absentee parents and drug addiction are objectively harmful. I absolutely care about people living in unnecessarily harmful situations, and I consider the amoral approach an asset in formulating a non-judgmental response that is based upon objective knowledge of what caused them to be in their present situation and what will most help them out of it (hint: it is not moral judgement).

Your philosophy is turning America into just one more third world nation, bankrupted from irresponsibility and dare I say immorality.

That would be truly impressive if it were true, since nihilists are an extreme minority.

In short: You are confusing amorality and immorality for each other; liberals are not amoralists and nihilism is not popular. You are also mistakenly operating on the assumption that accountability and compassion require morality, when in actuality they do not.

corpse(49) Disputed
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Wait, I don't get it. If you're a nihilist and believe life is meaningless, and you have no morals, then what is it that keeps you from harming other people? I'm legitimately trying to understand.

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"Evolution made me do it, I am but a progrmmed animal spreading my gene pool to as many women as possible"

This is the indoctrination of our youth from so called educated people in this nation

Are you really so out of touch with the real world to think that young people say that?

"Why were you smoking in the bathroom??" "Because evolution made me do it!!"". No mate. Just no.

This is the problem with the Right. They have all these grand philosophies to dictate other peoples lives but they have no idea what the lives of the average person is like or how they think.

Jace, now I understand...... you are a total laughable extreme nut job. To live in a world where nothing can be considered immoral is anarchy & you have wasted my time for the last time. You are like a little child saying crazy things to draw attention. THANKFULLY you are the extreme minority. I feel sorry for the childhood that created such a dead dark ideology. Always remember, there is hope for us all and no matter how dead you are inside, there will always be good moral people who will love & forgive you for the harm you are trying to perpetuate on this nation. If we ever had the amoral world you subscribe to, there would be no one with one ounce of compassion for you or for anyone but themselves.

Jace(5222) Disputed
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Your persistently ignorant remarks strongly indicate that you do not remotely understand my ideology. In fact, you continue to misrepresent my views despite repeated correction. Rather than address a perspective that makes you confused and uncomfortable, you have resorted to making entirely unfounded and incorrect assumptions about me. I am not expressing my views to draw attention anymore than anyone else here is (and certainly no more than you with all of your self-righteous YELLING). The irony is that in spite of your utter insensitivity, attacks upon my character, closed-mindedness, and consistent misrepresentations of my views you have the audacity to claim yourself more compassionate than myself. It appears morality truly is not everything.