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Space is enormous and with seemingly infinite variety. Somewhere else there must be life. Whether or not that life looks and acts like human or is more like a bacteria, or worm, or fish, or 6 breasted purple bear, remains to be discovered.
And even if one takes the religious approach to answering this, if you believe there is a realm where other beings dwell (Heaven/hell, angels/demons) then technically you believe in life somewhere other than what we know on earth.
If you truly expect that in this vast infinite universe of ours we are the only life, you're wrong. Whether or not they have visited us is a different matter altogether.
They are real. I've seen the burritos. I've seen the rice and beans. I've seen the tacos. I've seen them climbing fences in South Texas and Southern California...
Hi Outlaw60, good to know you're back 'kicking ass' on a site which has degenerated into a mutual admiration society of self important loonie left losers.
Well, in that interpretation of aliens I will support your glaring obvious truth.
Hi Outlaw60, good to know you're back 'kicking ass' on a site which has degenerated into a mutual admiration society of self important loonie left losers.
Definitely, Antrim. What this site needs is another neo-Nazi halfwit who got banned for consistently referring to black people as niggers!!!!! I'm sure that's exactly the type of clientele Andy is trying to attract to the site. Well said mate.
considering the fact that our sun is one of 200 BILLION other stars in the milky way, I think the chances of us being alone is absolutely small.
Bacteria is very real and viruses are real but we cannot see them without a microscope. stars existed all along yet our knowledge of them did not exist without brilliant scientists, telescopes and star charts. our reality is very real but the probaility that there are other realities that exist with other beings different from our own are very high just do the math.
Unless you think Earthlings won the lottery, life is ABUNDANT in the Universe.. There are billions and billions of habitable planets out there.. Certainly, we're NOT alone..
I feel that as mankind's poisoning of earth continues to accelerate unabated towards the total destruction of the ecosystem upon which all species, including humans, depend for their existence we look beyond our dying planet in the hope that there are other life forms which someday, and somehow may be able to save us from ourselves.
In the total absence of any tangible evidence of the reality of aliens we must regard their existence as no more than the fanciful notions of Don Quixote type characters who enjoy the escapism value of trying to rationalize their hysterical hypotheses by predictably stating meaningless statistics about the vastness of the universe and how such mind boggling enormity MUST support other life forms.
How and why do these dummies assume that aliens MUST exist simply because of the endless expanses of space?
At best it could be argued that there is a, as yet unsubstantiated, minute glimmer of a possibility that aliens exist somewhere in the immensity of the cosmos.
But dear fools, so far you're only describing the visions of your over vivid, juvenile imaginations.
I feel that as mankind's poisoning of earth continues to accelerate unabated towards the total destruction of the ecosystem upon which all species, including humans, depend for their existence...
Well put
we look beyond our dying planet in the hope that there are other life forms which someday, and somehow may be able to save us from ourselves.
Yes, and this type of thinking is not limited to Aliens. For instance, modern Superhero's are essentially based on this notion as well
In the total absence of any tangible evidence of the reality of aliens we must regard their existence as no more than the fanciful notions of Don Quixote type characters who enjoy the escapism value of trying to rationalize their hysterical hypotheses by predictably stating meaningless statistics about the vastness of the universe and how such mind boggling enormity MUST support other life forms.
How and why do these dummies assume that aliens MUST exist simply because of the endless expanses of space?
I think you are pushing this way too far. Based on your response, if it were discovered that there were an order of magnitude or higher more galaxies than current, you would still deem the probability argument as "dumb". We do not know of any other life form (extraterrestrial), however the fact that we exist, are made up of the most abundant materials in the Universe, and exist under at a time period some 14 billion years into the Universe's life span gives quite a lot of reason to sensibly speculate on the existence of other similar/quasi-similar life forms elsewhere given the numbers and time span involved.
At best it could be argued that there is a, as yet unsubstantiated, minute glimmer of a possibility that aliens exist somewhere in the immensity of the cosmos.
Again, you are highly overstating this ironically based on your own counter biases. That is, yes, people like Carl Sagan and many others were/are very biased toward a Cosmic Zoo vision of the Universe (i.e. high levels and diversity of life in the Cosmos) and likewise you, Ray Kurzwiel and others are similarly biased in the opposite direction. In truth, either extreme or everything in between are all very much possibilities based on our current level of knowledge (or lack thereof).
Yes, and this type of thinking is not limited to Aliens. For instance, modern Superhero's are essentially based on this notion as well
Superheroes are childish fantasy figures invented by Hollywood. They have nothing to do with aliens and this is evident by the fact that they mostly have human form. You should also learn to spell "superheroes" because your understanding of English is terrible. Put more effort into learning your own language and less into upvoting your own inane BS.
I think you are pushing this way too far. Based on your response, if it were discovered that there were an order of magnitude or higher more galaxies than current, you would still deem the probability argument as "dumb".
xMathFanx, you have a shockingly poor grasp of English. Even when you have a point nobody can find it.
We do not know of any other life form
Also, you clearly never read the news.
A NASA research team of scientists at the Johnson Space Center (JSC), Houston, TX, and at Stanford University, Palo Alto, CA, has found evidence that strongly suggests primitive life may have existed on Mars more than 3.6 billion years ago
Superheroes are childish fantasy figures invented by Hollywood. They have nothing to do with aliens and this is evident by the fact that they mostly have human form.
You missed the point entirely. Superhero's function as Demi-Gods/Gods and this type of thinking is very much analogous to Zeus and the other Greek gods. It has deep roots in the human psyche/human condition. Also, note that most popular conceptions of Aliens have humanoid form
Also, you clearly never read the news.
You can't be serious..... We don't know of any other life forms other than the sample we have found on Earth at the moment. How many CT's do you believe in?
I'm not surprised, given the great difficulty you have clearly articulating a point in your own language. I couldn't find one of your alleged points even if I were given two hours and a fishing net.
Superhero's function as Demi-Gods/Gods
Given that you did not mention this in your original post, is it really surprising that I "missed" it?
this type of thinking is very much analogous to Zeus and the other Greek gods. It has deep roots in the human psyche/human condition.
Thanks for the short lecture. How does it refute that superheroes have nothing to do with aliens?
It doesn't? Oh, well thanks anyway.
Also, why do you keep misspelling the plural of superhero? If you haven't been educated then fair enough, but I told you about it in the last post so you have no excuse to keep doing it. It's just bad manners.
I'm not surprised, given the great difficulty you have clearly articulating a point in your own language. I couldn't find one of your alleged points even if I were given two hours and a fishing net.
I wouldn't be surprised if it came out that you believed the Titanic never sunk but rather wandered into the Bermuda Triangle as evidenced by the "scholarly" work in journalofTitanticstudies.com (given your other bizarre beliefs, this would not even be the most far-fetched one)..
iven that you did not mention this in your original post, is it really surprising that I "missed" it?
I'm not at all surprised that you missed it. However, it was implied by my OP and Antrim (and others) appeared to understand the point.
How does it refute that superheroes have nothing to do with aliens?
Antrim stated in his OP, "we look beyond our dying planet in the hope that there are other life forms which someday, and somehow may be able to save us from ourselves. " Now, this is the same concept behind Superman and the like
Hi x, thanks for your reasoned and well balanced response.
Whilst specific points of your counter argument are most definitely well worth consideration it must be recognized that Sagan's vision of a cosmic zoo, which I think was first depicted in his book 'The Cosmic Connection', is no more than a commercially published book of fantasy for entertainment/profit value, whereas Kurzwiel's wholly practical standpoint is based on the fact that, despite numerous deep space probes, both physical and optical, absolutely no hard, tangible evidence even suggesting the existence of alien life, has ever been produced.
On the flip side of the coin maybe in this instance the old adage, ''ABSENCE OF PROOF IS NOT PROOF OF ABSENCE'' is applicable.
How do we know that aliens don't purposely avoid us like the plague and due to their advanced technology are able to conceal their existence from us?
Maybe Earth is their equivalent to our perception of hell where their sinners are consigned and forced to listen to Democratic Party political broadcasts forever and ever.
Antrim what you are failing to consider (despite the blatant obviousness of it) is that the vast majority of the universe is beyond our current scope of vision, even most of this galaxy is obscured to us, we are just barely able to discern certain details about nearby solar systems. To base your opinion on the fact that we don't directly see any evidence of ETs is little better than a blind man saying that light doesn't exist. Even with the limited range we have we have already discovered hundreds of planets with similar atmospheres to earth and liquid water. That being said there is an unbelievably huge amount of planets with earth like conditions in the entire universe not to mention the possibility for life to form under entirely different conditions. On top of all this, life on earth is one of the rarer cases because life here is so diverse and complex, when you consider the fact that most life bearing systems probably contain much simpler life forms that are no where near our level of evolution then you will see how retarded it would be if we just happened to be the only life yet we progressed to this level in a universe where life isn't even supposed to exist in the first place.
ROTFFLMMFAO ! Hey ET does exist ask Spielberg ! Move to those planets you are told that exist then ! One question for you to answer can that planet provide the internet you need?
The infinitesimal nature of the cosmos doesn't alter the fact that there has never been any evidence, no matter how hard the romanticists have tried, that alien life forms exist.
Until such time that indisputable scientific evidence is produced there is no point in engaging in school boy speculation about the existence of SPACEMEN.
Time to grow up, wise up and stop reading Dan Dare comics.
Cut away all the dead wood of idealistic conjecture and ''just give me the facts ma'am, just the facts''.
Sagan's vision of a cosmic zoo, which I think was first depicted in his book 'The Cosmic Connection', is no more than a commercially published book of fantasy for entertainment/profit value
Sagan's operative view of the Universe was that it must be teeming with life (based on his personal assumptions and calculations)
Kurzwiel's wholly practical standpoint is based on the fact that, despite numerous deep space probes, both physical and optical, absolutely no hard, tangible evidence even suggesting the existence of alien life, has ever been produced.
Right. However, Kurzwiel's view is based on his own personal assumptions and calculations as well. The reason Kurzwiel's believes we should have found evidence of life already based on our very limited search at the moment is his argument concerning the exponential growth of technology coupled with his theory of accelerated biological complexity being inevitable (he goes into length about this in "The Singularity is Near"). Thus, in Kurzwiel's view, once life is initiated, there is an inevitable increase in Biological complexity leading toward "intelligence". Then, this "intelligent" life form inevitably would create technologies in order to survive/thrive. Technology follows exponential growth pattern and it would not take long at all (on cosmic scales) before the technology was so incredibly advanced that their should be clear evidence of such a Civilization tampering with the Cosmos in various ways. Hence, it is a view of life that is based on a very fearless extrapolation of exponential growth and its relation to increasing complexity of Biological systems and Technology. If either of those two theories prove invalid, then his argument collapses. Side note: I like Ray Kurzwiel and think that he has many noteworthy ideas, however when someone extrapolates from quite limited data in the extreme with near Religious certainty, one has to be very skeptical of those claims.
Yes sirree Bob, I sure succeeded in stirring up the rabble today.
Down voting and futilely spewing out endless streams of meaningless profanities is the hallmark of those who are incapable of presenting a rational counter argument.
The lower orders are running amok frantically, just like headless chickens looking for MEN FROM OUTER SPACE, ROARS OF LAUGHTER FROM THE BACK STALLS*.
It's truly satisfying when one achieves one's goal.
Keep down voting and don't stop the profanities as they're both clear evidence that I'm succeeding in my mission to agitate the filth.
