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Are Atheist Closed Minded and Egotistical?

What else needs said?  Except that Aveskde is certain to down-vote all replies that are against atheist.  This is the only thing certain in life. 

 

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Everyone who disagrees with TheWayItIs is closed-minded and egotistical. All of them.

He is always right, and the best.

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ricedaragh(2500) Disputed
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Brown Nose. .

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I love sarcasm, thanks for this Tom. It is too bad that they all don't know your an athiest. They do now.

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Closed Minded?-

Depends on the atheist. Lots of atheists tend to judge religion as a whole instead of giving some religions more credit than the crazy ones. I would say they are closed minded. They assume any religion to be crazy and stupid.

Egotistical?-

Once again it depends on the atheist. The ones that say religion is a disease infecting everyone and that they have to protect people from religion and put a stop to it- ...yes.

So my answer would be: no not all of them. Though I have met atheists that are, I have met atheist that are not closed minded and egotistical. It just depends.

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Oh, Jake. Where have you been? Are you still worshipping Mr. Beck?

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Why else are they atheists? They don't believe there's anything greater than themselves out there...

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zombee(1024) Disputed
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Some Christians may believe there is some kind of hierarchy of life, arranged God > angels > believers > heathens > animals, or whatever, but atheists have not necessarily just removed God from the top step and placed themselves there. I don't see a reason for arranging my philosophy of life around who is greater than who at all. It seems to me that way of thinking is only useful to bolster the egos of religious people who believe that God loves them unconditionally and created them in his perfect image.

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honie(103) Disputed
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No, I do not think that I am the greatest thing out there, what an arrogant thing to assume. Why can't I just live my life without ever having to give one ounce of my thoughts towards a God or a religion?

It is ridiculous to assume that all athiests think they are the greatest things out there. It seems that religious folk like you are so obsessed with your religion ( or "club" as I like to call it) that you go off the deep end any time someone doesn't agree with you!

So back to your question, why am I an athiest? BECAUSE I CAN, THAT'S WHY! Just like you have the right to be religious. Can you live with the fact that there are actually people out there that don't believe in God???

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aveskde(1935) Disputed
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Why else are they atheists?

We needed an excuse like "there is no god" to be able to eat babies.

They don't believe there's anything greater than themselves out there...

The universe is plenty greater than ourselves. Besides, the more down-to-earth governments which act as a force greater than ourselves.

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ricedaragh(2500) Disputed
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Completely opposite to the religious then? Where do the religious get their ideas from? It's not from their own mind, it is from the Bible or the Qu'ran or whatever book to which their personal belief is attached.

The situation is that a lot of Atheists are well read, but I imagine that to be from a number of fields and not just one. This would give them the opportunity to weigh up the options and come to a conclusion based on their own personal opinion, not one prescribed to them by family, friends and people within their communities in positions of respect and authority.

If the religious are so open-minded then why do they condemn Homosexuals, subjugate women and call sinful natural biological urges and behaviors which send people into a downward spiral of shame?

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I am an Atheist an I agree 100%..we use Logic..they use a book...i know a lot about a lot of religions..they pretty much say the same thing..however the religious folks pretty much interpret what they want from their respective books..i recent pool ( sorry i cant remember what poll) shows that Atheists are smarter than Christan's..probably because we know more about their religion than they do

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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aveskde(1935) Disputed
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Corrected:

Religious do not think, they only read. No mind of their own do they posses. Their only thoughts are those of someone else.

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Most Atheists are people that have thought about the options and used logic to come to the conclusion that God does not exist or in the very least is unlikely to.

Most Religious people have been told by others since the day they were born that God is real and to deny it will send them to a painful eternity in hell. Brain washing if you will.

It is the religious that are closed minded and egotistical, believing with God on their side they can and do judge with extreme prejudice those they deem "sinners". Ruled by ancient dogma and peer pressure they truly cannot think fully for themselves as in their eyes the outcomes are inevitable.

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Are Atheist Closed Minded and Egotistical?

There's some sort of irony in this statement. I'm pretty darn sure there is

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Most atheists were indoctrinated with religion as children. The very fact that such atheists were able to use critical thinking and reason to overcome and leave behind dogmatic nonsense in favor of the scientific method, even in the face of enormous pressure put upon them by parents who infected them with a primitive belief system based on superstition and threat of torture as children demonstrates that they are anything but closed minded.

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geekgroupie(32) Disputed
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Get an atheist outside the arena of god and they can be very closed minded. Religion isn't the only thing that causes people to be irrational. Cognitive biases does the job quite well. No one is immune from being irrational, closed minded and egotistical.

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geekgroupie(32) Disputed
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We already knew this? The egomaniacs don't. Read the comment I'm disputing. He isn't a part of the we.

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All the atheists I've met, respect my religion if I respect theirs.

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they are very much like the others. people have every right to choose their own religion and if they wish to follow none even then they are just like ...........(followers of religion) in every possibility.

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No .

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Do the religious categorize constantly and see the world in terms of black and white only?

In many instances it seems to be the case.

By virtue of the fact that the world is so overwhelmingly theastic, it is literally impossible for one to be atheist without being extraordinarily open-minded and have very little ego.

By contrast, religion says us humans are soooooooo important that we are the center of the Universe and magically live forever.

Viewing oneself as magically immortal and the center of the Universe seems far more egotistical to me.

The question should be, why do the religious think they are so special?

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I am athiest and I am as open minded as they get.

I think if you open all the doors to all the options of the world, you live a much more fulfilled life.

If you live your life with one set of rules the entire time, then you are close minded. You shut out all the great new information you could be gaining. It is like reading brand new book every single day. Or waking up knowing you DON'T know the origin of everything, and discovery is the greatest thing out there. How exciting!

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Lol, neither side seems to favor atheists...

Anyway, as an atheist I disagree with the sentiment that all atheists hold a specific viewpoint. We don't, there are strong atheists, there are atheists who are anti-theists (like myself, Christopher Hitchens, Richard Dawkins could be one). Those who say they believe there is no god, but they don't know for certain from a scientific viewpoint. And others that outright claim there is no god. A lot of people who claim to be agnostic are really atheists.

That said there is a huge portion of the atheist community in the U.S that has been treated horribly by Christian neighbors. It was for many of them, a huge struggle to "come out" atheist. I know I struggled with it, and it wasn't accepted by the majority of my family. Although my dad admitted finally to being one himself. hiding it from my mother for their entire marriage. It's almost like coming out gay in a way, my brother who is gay even equated that to me. We are less trusted than homosexuals in a few polls I've seen. There is a reason we make up the majority of the scientific community. It is because of the scientific method which embraces open-mindedness, to the extent of what a strict set of rules and testing is applied, that allows many atheists to say they are open minded and to be completely truthful when they do so.

I know many who would admit to being wrong about a belief in a heartbeat in the eyes of facts. But I don't know many religious people, including my mother, who'd do the same if it went against their beleifs. THAT is the difference between close minded, and open minded. You must be willing to change even the stuff that is hard to change. Which is what I did, and continue to do.

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This debate isn't on whether or not atheists are right, it's on whether or not atheism is "close minded" and "egotistical".

When you think about it, to claim that atheism is close minded and egotistical is extremely hypocritical if you're of a Christian or similar faith:

Christian beliefs:

According to Christians, Morals are absolute; their morals are right and INFALLIBLE

According to Christians,God is PERFECT in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY

According to Christians, Anybody who disagrees with these PERFECT ideals and worships this PERFECT being is going to hell!!!!

No offense meant.

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I agree entirely. As I was growing up I was forced to attend church every sunday, and they do believe this.

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This debate isn't on whether or not atheists are right, it's on whether or not atheism is "close minded" and "egotistical".

When you think about it, to claim that atheism is close minded and egotistical is extremely hypocritical if you're of a Christian or similar faith:

Christian beliefs:

According to Christians, Morals are absolute; their morals are right and INFALLIBLE

According to Christians,God is PERFECT in EVERY POSSIBLE WAY

According to Christians, Anybody who disagrees with these PERFECT ideals and worships this PERFECT being is going to hell!!!!

No offense meant.

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Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
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According to what Christians; Morals are absolute.........

God is perfect, the trouble is human are not.

There are only a few rules carved in stone (Ten Commandments) and so it is impossible for anyone to know what is right and wrong at a given point in time. One can only do the best they can at doing the right thing. If that thing turns out to be wrong, there is God's grace that forgives you.

No perfect ideals only general guidelines. The only ones that will end up in hell are those that choose to go there.

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aveskde(1935) Disputed
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God is perfect, the trouble is human are not.

The logical implication of your assumption here is that god could not have created us.

There are only a few rules carved in stone (Ten Commandments) and so it is impossible for anyone to know what is right and wrong at a given point in time. One can only do the best they can at doing the right thing. If that thing turns out to be wrong, there is God's grace that forgives you.

We have a moral sense which makes the ten commandments unnecessary.

No perfect ideals only general guidelines. The only ones that will end up in hell are those that choose to go there.

A perfect god would not be able to create imperfect humans, and would not create a hell because that is an imperfect punishment, unless that god was perfectly evil.

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Are religious people open minded and humble?!

Declaring yourselves as the 'god's chosen ones' and prancing around blindly believing the absurd fairytales you were indoctrinated with as a child...?

This is truly the most contradictory and stupid question I've ever read.

If this is the standard of debate on this website I think I'll spend my time doing something else.

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Oh, now I remember you, you are the one who posted an entirely new debate insulting aveskde because he got to you so much.

Yawn.

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I myself am an atheist and believe myself to be very openminded. i also know many many other athiests, and they are usualy very open minded. But unfortunatly, its the few that are not that make all the others seem like they are closedminded.

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