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Not yet but I feel the persecution of homosexuals is competing to an end and I see singes of persecution of Christians popping up more and more in society.
They are bashed quite heavily in modern day America. Homosexuals are often supported if being discriminated against. Christian are bashed heavily and are told that their whole faith is wrong or "stupid". Most get bashed out of the faith.
I somewhat agree with you Liz but ask yourself why???
That being said, even thought I personally hate religions I will never ever take that freedom away from them, all I ask is they do the same, let people live in peace, the back lash on religion is brought on by themselves, people have a braking point and being told for the last 2000 years that you are going to burn in hell for not doing or acting "this way" took it's toll on people, I say live and let live.
Sounds right. I agree but now a days in modern times they are bashed because scientists claim they have disproved the christian faith and claim that he doesnt exist. That is what Christians have to hear. Homosexuals however are in modern times supported or just treated like everybody else. If you see two guys holding hands then you dont think anything of it. Now in the distant past this was seen as like a disease or something or like a mental disorder. It was frowned upon. Now it is fine.
Yeah it sucks having to hear the truth from those pesky scientists. I don't think Christians are being persecuted, it's just that their religion is just becoming exposed as a big joke
Only by Atheists. Christianity is still the worlds largest religious group so anything that is against them is a vast minority. I think it only seems like theyre being judged more is because Atheism is on the rise rapidly, and because people are getting a little common sense.
Also, are you gonna reply to our conversation? im just a little confused if you have more questions or not
This website has information where persecution is taking place to Christians around the globe and it updates everyday because everyday Christians are being persecuted.
2) is only really concerned with the islamic world (which does persecute christians dont get me wrong but were talking about the globe and thats really just the middle east)
Also this:
"Christianity is ranked the largest religion in the world today. According to the Pew Forum on Religion and Public Life, in 2010 there were 2.18 billion Christians around the world, nearly a third of the global population. "
How can christians be in any danger when theyre the largest group of believers on the planet? Them being persecuted is absurd.
1. How is it biased when it updates everyday on what is happening globally to Christians and people hear about this kind of stuff?
2. In the Islamic world they do persecute Christians because in the middle eastern area I have heard lots of news about this pastor who converted from Islam to Christianity and he went back to Iran or Iraq and now they caught him preaching about Christianity so they want him to recant his faith and the pastor doesn't want to so they keep beating and beating him to the point he has internal bleeding.
Even in China people persecute Christians and its no only the Middle East its also in Asia and other continents as well that persecute Christians and I see a little bit in the United States as well but its not as big as other countries that go to the extreme level.
Christians are not that heavily persecuted against in China its one of the biggest religions out there, there will be some bigotry yes but then in America or the UK if you follow a religion that isn't Christian there will be bigots who will persecute you for that.
1. How is it biased when it updates everyday on what is happening globally to Christians and people hear about this kind of stuff?
I dont think you know what biased means...What im saying is its run BY christians so theyre going to embellish things and make them seem like bigger things then they really are, or theyre going to make things up, or theyre going to point out things that have nothing to do with christianity but just because people involved happen to be christians that it automatically makes it christian persecution.
2. In the Islamic world they do persecute Christians because in the middle eastern area I have heard lots of news about this pastor who converted from Islam to Christianity and he went back to Iran or Iraq and now they caught him preaching about Christianity so they want him to recant his faith and the pastor doesn't want to so they keep beating and beating him to the point he has internal bleeding.
I never said the Islamic world DIDNT persecute christians. Of course they do! But what im saying was theyre the only ones that really do anywhere on earth to a significant degree.
Even in China people persecute Christians and its no only the Middle East its also in Asia and other continents as well that persecute Christians and I see a little bit in the United States as well but its not as big as other countries that go to the extreme level.
Yes but in China Christians are a minority group that goes WAY against the countries costoms. Im not saying theyre justified in being persecuted, im just saying its understandable why they are. And christians have been persecuted in China for a LONG time, not just nowadays is it starting. Its been ongoing since the boxor rebellion which happened in 1899, and the persecution has gone WAY down there since then.
That is obvious. But were talking about the GLOBE. They are the worlds largest group of people so how can they be widely discriminated against? And certainly not more than homosexuals.
I dont think you know what biased means...What im saying is its run BY christians so theyre going to embellish things and make them seem like bigger things then they really are, or theyre going to make things up, or theyre going to point out things that have nothing to do with christianity but just because people involved happen to be christians that it automatically makes it christian persecution.
Actually I looked more into this site and I found out that it uses government resources and they have reports from various government sites. Here is the link if you want to check it out.
I dipped into that site not all those people are in trouble for being persecuted for being Christian, Zhu Yufu for instance is being punished for being a Political Dissident he just happens to be Christian (that's hardly religious persecution), if he was Muslim I wonder how worried people from that site would be about him and the one about the Muslim lawyers talking about taking legal action against Christians for refferring to God as Allah because it is something that is forbidden to done outside of Islam is that any different to you telling someone who you didn't think was Christian that they couldn't comment on Christianity, or Christians trying to sue film makers over movies that depicted Christ in a light that they did not like or trying to ban music and books they don't like? All religious groups have people who will persecute others because they are different and Christians have been guilty of it for years.
Yep. The way things are going we'll soon be executing them and ripping open their orifices, after Christianity becomes illegal and anti-Christian hate gangs start graffiti-ing their homes and attacking them in the street. Three 'and's in one sentence :'(
I think Christians have a lot more power in countries like the USA. The majority of your law makers and judges are Christians, the church is exempt from descrimination laws etc. Christians are often the persecuted. Homosexuals don't have that power.
Okay. Religious people are often hypocrite: saying something is bad and then doing the same thing. I guess I shouldn't be surprise. Eye for an eye and all that.
Another catch phrase. I'm not talking about rights. People have rights to be a complete arseholes but it doesn't mean that being an arsehole is right. A bit complicated. Sorry.
Yes you have the right to stand up for yourself. I didn't dispute that. But of course you have no idea what the point is that I was making because you don't have the capacity to understand other peoples points nor this one I presume. So im just going to smile at you like I do other idiots :) :)
Very true, as Dana stated the Crusades, the way the Knights Templar were treated after the Crusades, Salem Witch Trials, picketing of peoples funerals, treatment of Homosexuals and Christian groups attacks on music and art
He is talking about today though, not 5 hundred years ago. i promise you this too, if you were ever born in that sight you would notice that people just became Christian for the sake of it, Christianity was never really practiced to the tittle. Also, I can show you many examples of people who use the Bible as justification to suppress and kill TODAY, and none of them go to church, read it, or practice anything else in it. these secular people are the ones who use the Bible when they want to pine about gays, like in my country and you can't present it to them to stop fornicating. And those Knights, crusades and judges of the Salem court probably represent a secular community using something they cannot understand.
The crusaids happened as the result of the Muslims taking Jerusalem from the Byzantines. It was a defensive conflict on behalf of the Christians. Yes fucked up atrocities where comited by both sides but that's basicly war for you.
Ok. I'll be Muslim, and I'm going to kill your new friend, who is dying. You are then going to brutally attack me eight times... and fail each time. The byzantine empire was on it's last legs, and was barely acknowledged until Pope Urban came along.
Actually the Christians captured Jerusalem during the kings crusade so they didn't fail every time. But that's besides the point. The reason the Vatican got involved was because the Muslims weren't allowing Christian pilgrims into Jerusalem and if they did it was only after they payed an outrageous fine. It was also part of the popes plan to heal the rift between Catholicism and Greek Orthodox and reunite the Church.
Jerusalem is sacred to the Christians too. There is no good reason to deny unarmed pilgrims their religious rights what harm dose it do to anybody? And yes it was thought that if the Vatican fought Byzantines enemies they would rejoin the Catholic Church.
I disagree with you. People have the right to do what the want as long as they do not violate other people's rights. You are cool and smart, but I disagree.
Freedom of travel is not a right. "Some immigrants' rights advocates say that human beings have a fundamental human right to mobility not only within a state but between states."
It would be nice to have freedom of travel, but not neccessary.
You can believe something, yes. You can even say it, audience and guts depending. But you can't always do it... like stoning adulterers, or attending a pilgrimage (dangerous, financial issues, closed border).
It's a part of practicing your religion and everyone has a god given right to practice his or her religion. What the Muslims where doing was denying Christians a sacred and god given human right. Such things should not go unpunished.
Simple many events significant to Christianity occurred in Jerusalem so they are holy places and thus visiting them is part of the religion.
Do I have to define words for you now? Oh fine very well. God given: ex- a god given right a right bestowed apon you by god typically refers to a right you are born with example a basic human right like the right to life.
Punished: to bring about retribution for an offense and make the offender suffer as a way of bringing about justice, and deterring the offender and others who might offend from offending.
Sacred: means holy or of great importance usually used in a religious context to refer to a certain ritual, person, place, or thing significant to that religion.
It's not a basic human right, you can survive happily without it.
It's not justice to go to war over being denied religious tourism.
Sacred is an idea applied to something. To me, if I were a Christian, everything natural would be holy especially people as they were his 'most loved' creation created in 'his image'. I don't see how a trek in the middle east could be more holy than noticing what you have where you are. Could the average poor person at that time afford a pilgrimage? No, they must work as serfs. Only the rich 1% Therefore it's not a basic human right. It's a privilege for the wealthy that was taken away. Only recently can the working class afford such luxuries.
they dont have more power than the Gays. If you havent noticed, gays changed the view of otherwise what was once a deep rooted Christian country into Anti Christian in under sixty years. The complete freedom of blacks took a couple hundred, so the change through movement is almost unbelievable in reference to the gays. And slavery is worse than gays not getting the chance to marry. So I believe the gays have way more power
How on Earth can you call USA anti-christian? 70% of USAians are christian. Christians are over represented in the senate with 85% of them being either protestant or catholic.
I guess if USA adopted Christian law in its entirety then arguable, depending on your interpretation of the Bible, homosexuality would be prohibited. The problem is that laws shouldn't be dogmatic. When making a law we can't just say 'this is the law because a people think it should be' it has be rational; there has to be some basis for its existence. It is not rational for the law not to recognise gay marriage.
Christians are bashed in all 50 states too. I dont even support Christianity but Homosexuality is becoming something we see everyday. It doesnt change much. However the Christian person must be bashed constantly. Also people say bad things about it all the time like "Your God doesnt exist" or something which I dont blame them for saying but people get bashed for being a Christian. Homosexuals of course get bashed but the severity of it isnt as large as it is for Christians.
Tell a homosexual to go into public amd tell a christian to go into pubic and have someone provide a reason as to which one seems wrong. Matter of fact take this site as evidence. I have not seen any bash Homosexuals because it is frowned upon. I have however seen other mock Christianity and practically crush the entire faith. This site should be your evidence. Actually here is an even bigger form of evidence. Most Christians declare Homosexuality a sin and thus get bashed for it. Homosexuality has no argument against it besides Religion. Schools also teach the opposite of creationism due to scientific advancement and they dont teach anything about Homosexuality besides that fact that it is morally correct to support homosexuals. What evidence do you need or further require? Also it is your turn buddy.
I have. Have you seen the "God" debates? I mean Cuaroc even you insult Christianity or even a deity with every chance you get. It is frowned upon to insult a homosexual. You get major upvotes for simply bashing Christianity and you get people to join in with you.
Yes I wouldn't find many because of the fear of prosecution. Would you openly be a cannibal if it wasn't the social norm? No you would likely act like the social norm.
And Christians dont fear persecution? The truth is, you have no evidence that there are any homosexuals there and I believe the reason is they are not brainwashed into thinking its normal there.
The truth is, you have no evidence that there are any homosexuals there and I believe the reason is they are not brainwashed into thinking its normal there.
Yeah they are brainwashed probably to think it isn't normal. Additionally you have no evidence that they are not over there.
It depends on what country, some countries Christians are persecuted, others they are not. Some Christians in the west, cry persecution basically because they can no longer discriminate against gays.
It doesnt matter because for a small group, homosexuals are exceedingly powerful. The media supports them and hates christians, so more people hate us.
Hell no, as a matter of fact Christians brought this on themselves, stop telling people how to live then maybe people will stop attacking religions, like I said all this hate on religion is brought on by the religious ignorance and tolerance towards others.
Not all Christians are the same very true but there is a "LARGE" group of them out there trying to hurt a persons freedom in the name of God, why in the hell would anyone want to hinder a gay persons right to marry, also why do many Christians feel the need to judge another human-being just because they don't accept Christianity.
Up until now people that spoke open about not accepting Christianity were murdered, burned alive or called a witch, a spawn of Satan(you get my point), because of Christianity's lovely history people started to hate there intolerance (and no it's not just Christians but most religions),
As to your reply : I am not saying hurt anyone, I protect the right for people to believe what ever they want just so long as they are not forcing it upon others that do not wish to partake, that is my problem or passing faith as fact.
This might sound crude : but If I want to suck a cock, worship a camel and walk backwards that is my business so long as I don't hurt others by doing so, Christians or "MOST" Christians feel the need to jump down someones throat for not thinking like they do and will quickly persecute anyone outside there way of thinking, do you see any homosexuals doing that?
So in short if Christians are being persecuted "they need not wonder why", all they have to do is look at there history, "MOST" Christians in this Country will not be happy until America is nothing more then a Christian Saudi Arabia (Christian Theocracy), sure they want freedom so long as it's there version of freedom, true freedom is being free to do what one feels so long as that so called freedom isn't taking freedom away from someone else, "Example" hindering Gays from marriage, teaching creation in public schools ect.
Actually most Christians dint even follow most of the things the bible says. They go to church every Sunday and just say they are a Christian. A large number of them? May I ask for some statistics or something? You have plenty of non Christians bashing individual freedom. Also an actual Christian wont really judge another person. Everybody judges people in their minds. People often believe that the verse that says "judge not lest you be judged" mean never judge. It merely means dint call people derogatory things out of "judgment" meaning do not go outside and call a bunch of white people pasty or anything in that nature. Also you keep saying most Christians so I would like to see some statistics for this because some people still have to worship in secret in places like North Korea or China. I understand your history bit because I fully agree with it and people do bad things in the name of God all the time. But I just thought that I should give that little tid bit. I am not big on Christianity but I have studied it vigorously.
I don't know about North Korea but in China Christians do not have to worship in secret and your comment about judging people maybe right which means all the Christians that hold banners calling Gays Fags and telling them that they will burn in hell are judging, the Christians on this site that have told me Gays are Perverts and Deviants are judging and when I have been told in debates that I'm not allowed to comment on Christianity because I'm not a Christian again judging and the final one from this site has been that all Muslims are bad and support terrorists and people should be free to practice whatever religion they like in their own home but freedom of religion should stop at the front door except for Christianity because America is a Christian country, pretty judgemental and intolerant for a religion that preaches tolerance. All the time the most vociferous Christians are the most intolerant they will all get bashed unfortunately maybe if a few more stood up to the intolerant ones instead of keeping quiet people might have more faith in them.
The Christians you are referring to are not applicable to the faith that they claim to follow. Show me some statistics of this. Everybody judges. You must understand that according to their faith everyman walks unsinless so they sin by holding up the "fag" sign. According to Christian teachings anybody who doesn't believe in God goes to hell so just saying that gays do isn't changing that part of the playing field.
pretty judgemental and intolerant for a religion that preaches tolerance
You have non Christians that do far worse. Like I already said they are applying their faith incorrectly with their realm around them. Simply out of devotion to their God. If you want to argue if Christians or non-Christians are more judgmental then look at society itself and tell me that they are not judged all the time. Tell me that everybody goes without judgment. Show me some statistics of these Christians. Show me a chart or a graph proving that most Christians do these things you say. We are still human and will do things we aren't supposed to. It happens. Everybody does it.
I only mentioned things I have seen and heard I am not going to name names or draw graphs exposing the guilty on here of intolerance because they will expose themselves again I never said this applies to all Christians but all the time the intolerant ones are tolerated then it shows the religion in a bad light. Is society more judgmental than Christianity in my experience I have found Christianity to be more judgmental for years I have been told that the music I listen to, the films I wanna watch and the clothes I wanna wear are wrong but as society has slowly become more accepting Christianity has remained the same or become ever more judgemental (please note this is not all Christianity or all Society).
Society is pushing itself away from Christianity. Homosexuality is shown all throughout tv shows, news channels, etc. It is accepted and not looked down upon. Kids in school wont even bring up Jesus in school out of fear. Society is shifting away from Christianity.
Unfortunately westboro is the ugly face of what a lot of others believe but won't admit to, I know this is not all Christians but you know there are some very intolerant Christians in the world and until the tolerant Christians stand up and say this guy is wrong that is how a lot of non Christians will perceive the faith.
Homosexuals have been more persecuted than Christians because there are so many bigoted people that want homosexuals to remain in the closet and they condemn Gay Marriage.
Internationally there is a lot of Christian persecution. It of course doesn't outweigh gay persecution because there isn't a single country that persecutes Christians but lets gays off the hook.
