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Debate Score:8
Arguments:7
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Are Fishing and Hunting sports that are cruel to animals

As a student of Physical Education, I have been assigned the task to write an essay on an issue in sport of my choice. I have decided to look at the cruelty of animals in sport and I am needing opinions for both sides. If you could help me with this debate, your assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

 

Not cruel

Side Score: 6
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Cruel

Side Score: 2
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Fishing is not cruel, because 1) fish do not have a developed nervous system, and are therefore incapable of feeling any level of pain that would be deemed "cruel" and 2) fish are not very developed in terms of intelligence, i.e. they lack the cognitive ability to comprehend what is happening to them or care either way.

Hunting can be cruel if done a certain way, like fox hunting, or if it is for the wrong reasons, i.e. hunting for sport rather than food. It also depends on the kind of animal you are hunting - how intelligent they are, their pain tolerance and life expectancy etc. etc.

Side: Not cruel
Jungelson(3959) Disputed
1 point

What the hell, of course fish feel pain, what are you a cretin. If they had no nervous system, how would they know when to swim away if a shark comes towards them. Or if you touch a fish in the water, it will not just stay still will it. No, it will move, if fish can feel any form of touch, they can feel pain. Pain is necessary for survival. With out it, you wouldn't know if something is wrong. A fish would not just swim in to a submerged crate of needles until it bleeds to death. Basically, fish can feel pain. Jellyfish, you might be thinking of, have no brain of any sort. Just a bunch of cells cleverly put together. You honestly believe that fish feel no pain. So i suppose that means you think a shark feels no pain. Its still a fish, just a bit bigger.

Side: Cruel
anachronist(889) Disputed
1 point

Yeah, I think you need to brush up on your reading comprehension. I didn't say fish don't feel pain. They just feel pain in a different way to us. We need a more advanced nervous system than fish, as it is more beneficial to us as a whole. A fish does not need to feel pain when it comes into contact with cold water, for example.

Also, their experience of pain is different to ours. Whereas we experience pain as the worst imaginable sensation, fish aren't as smart and don't need much more than instincts to stop them doing things. Because we can think about and make informed choices in our decisions, we need a bigger kick up the arse, as it were, to stop us doing stupid stuff.

Thirdly, pain is separate from touch. Touch is governed by different nerve arcs than pain. You can't conclude that because something can feel a shark moving behind it, it feels the same amount of pain as a human, or indeed any pain at all. Just look at the humans who cannot feel pain, they can still touch things and feel sensations, just not pain.

I don't get your point about the shark. Because something is bigger it feels more pain? I'm not sure what you are getting at. Anyway, for the record, sharks also feel less pain than we do. And if sharks did feel as much pain as us, that wouldn't prove that fish do. Where is the reasoning behind this?

So, to clarify, fish don't feel as much pain as humans, and you either didn't read what I wrote correctly, or willingly misinterpreted it.

Side: Not cruel
1 point

You know what would happen if your brought this up to your ancestors? They would blow your freaking head off.

But no, hunting or fishing is not cruel. Hunting is not cruel AS LONG as you do it for food, not for sport. Predator and prey is natural. Besides, why call it cruel when you are sitting at McDonalds eating a cheeseburger? The only people that have room to argue against this is vagans.

Side: Not cruel

It's not cruel unless to hunter or fisherman deliberately makes it so. And generally I think that killing an animal relatively quickly in the wild is a lot more humane than slowly slaughtering an animal bred in captivity and kept as such for it's whole life. Shooting a deer in the head, for example, is a quicker, cleaner death than slitting the throat of a cow and leaving it strung upside-down to bleed out. I also think the weapons and tools we use to kill animals in modern times are more humane than past instruments. If I was an animal and got to choose how I wanted to die at the hands of humans, I would much rather be shot than poked a bunch of times with a spear until I can't run anymore, and then get my head bashed in with a club.

Side: Not cruel
1 point

Hunting and fishing aren't cruel if you do it correctly if hunt something and then don't do anything with the meat it's wrong. When my dad gave me my first bb gun he said you kill it you eat, and he's right.

Side: Not cruel

Fish are being baited with a hook and then taken out of the water to suffocate and deer are being shot who can't arm themselves with a gun.

Side: Cruel