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Hell Ya! Now that you mention it. . .
Debate Score:62
Arguments:22
Total Votes:82
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Are Illegal Immigrants necessarily bad to our country's well-being?

Hell Ya!

Side Score: 22
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Now that you mention it. . .

Side Score: 40
2 points

they are coming in to our country and they are ruining the economy. companies are giving these immigrants all kinds of insurance and bank of america is giving them bank accounts.

Side: Hell Ya!
Cdelvalle(196) Disputed
4 points

How exactly are they ruining our economy? By working jobs domestic workers refuse to work? Or by helping to keep inflation low since they work for less than minimum wage?

I'm from South Florida and I know many immigrants. Can't think of any reason why they'd be hurting the economy. They spend and contribute to Florida sales tax, they buy products from merchants, and they work undesireable jobs.

God bless immigrants.

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
6 points

I agree, we actually have crops that are rotting because there are less "immigrants" to work harvesting. Our government, of course pays farmers for fruit, etc. that doesn't make it to market. It's a waste. What does it say about America (land of immigrants) when we say "go back"? To me it's greedy and rude. Of course people need to be vaccinated, background checked, (red tape, red tape)...but why stop making America what it's always been? A melting pot.

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
4 points

HERE HERE! The only person that would willingly do those unfavorable jobs that illegal immigrants do, as far as I know, is that guy from Dirty Jobs. (Mike Rowe is it?)

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
2 points

God bless immigrants, yes, not illegal immigrents

Side: Hell Ya!
JakeJ(3254) Disputed
2 points

"By working jobs domestic workers refuse to work? Or by helping to keep inflation low since they work for less than minimum wage?"

I think those jobs should be for young people that aren't working, we should encourage more young people to start saving money early.

I don't care If illegal immigration is convenient, it's against the law and we should enforce the law as it exists.

Side: Hell Ya!
dcovan(170) Disputed
-1 points

People probably said that about slaves 150 yrs ago. We have 5% unemployment with legal citizens those jobs would get done.

Side: Hell Ya!
altarion(1955) Disputed
2 points

Of course that is a negative side, does it necessarily effect the country in a whole? or just the lower class citizens? And like I previously stated, all citizens born in this country have the chance to improve their lifestyles. And just because our current president is a dumbass doesn't mean that we can't take measures to fix this unjust charity. But on the other hand, just as many legal citizens come here and have jobs for a few years and pay taxes on their pay checks just like any regular citizen does, but they don't stay here long enough to reap the benefits. In other words, those that put into the pot that don't take from it, are replaced by those who don't put into the pot but DO take from it. Therefore creating an equal distribution of money, which has no harm to our country's well-being.

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
1 point

Aliens kill bison

Side: Hell Ya!
1 point

People who say they are messing up the economy and stealing jobs are stupid people and they should be ignored. While illegal immigrants aren't necessarily a bad thing, too much of anything is going to be bad. They just keep sneaking into our country and at some point, somewhere it is going to take it's toll. Whether it's crime, over population or not paying taxes and squeezing the system it is bound to go wrong somehwere. No country can just have open immigration and expect to prosper.

Side: Hell Ya!
5 points

As a citizen of these wonderful united states, I am opposed to illegal immigrants being allowed to roam freely on our streets, but I do not believe them to be necessarily harmful to our country's well-being. As the great comedian Carlos Mencia once said, "They are here, why not find a use for them? Give one of the guys on the street $5 just to ride in your car during rush hour so you can go into the carpool lane on your way to work. Give him another $5 and you got yourself your own human alarm system for your car!" Although flawed, this argument makes a lot of sense. Every US citizen is born with the opportunity to make themselves a good life, and it is not fair of those who denied that chance to complain when Illegals are taking all the less-than-minimum-wage jobs there are. If anything, those who are complaining should want to get there butts in gear and persue a better life for themselves and their family!

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
3 points

Now that you mention it, what bothers me is how the word amnesty is used to slay any negotiation that intends to address the immigration problem. It is reasonable to expect people from other countries (including Mexico) to move to the United States. After all, unless you are Native American (or maybe a Viking) then your ancestors did!

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
2 points

Now that you mention it, I have to respond on the contrary.

I think "illegal" immigrants are only "bad" to for our country because of the laws, not because of the immigrants existence.

I think we should legalize those who are here without proper documentation, have them pay taxes and give them the power to vote in 7 years. This is like illegal prostitution, or the war on drugs.

If it's made illegal, it doesn't make people stop, it just excludes the government from dealing with it in any other way than penalization.

Prostitutes, where they are illegal, deal with pimps for security, because the law isn't their for them. Pimps aren't good, but they won't throw you in jail because you cannot make a living any other way.

Drugs are still available to the masses, through shady means that are usually untried and unregulated.

The government's doing a great job at making things worse...

Illegal immigrants are good, though, unlike the other two, and if you had any bit of compassion or understanding, most would agree. They help the economy by working jobs that most don't want to do, or never even think of doing, and they'll work for less. They add to our cultural diversity, and with legalization it will not only grow more tolerable (which we should already be because they are humans) but more familiar and probably much more appreciable.

Think about it, when you think of a Canadian immigrant what comes to mind? What do you think about Mexican immigrants?

Now think about why they are coming here. Are Canadians coming for the same reason Mexicans are? Probably NOT! Mexico is a dump compared to Canada, they are coming here to get away from that. Canadians? Who knows why they are coming here.

Mexicans are coming here to better their lives, whether it's legal or not, and people here see them as dirty, poor, problematic... and illegal. They are dirty and poor because they aren't legal. I know plenty of Mexican immigrants that share my living standards, and then I know more, who are illegal, that I would not want to live with. This is what people see, and this is a misunderstanding.

The stereotypical "immigrant" is an illegal Mexican in America... We already understand this, how can you not, and then on top of that, it's the mariachi music, manudo, cowboy hats and snake skin boots and their "awful" mexican language that is being printed and painted all over California, on labels, on menus, on etc. and they are dirty and live in a dirty house with chickens in the front yard...

Great, I'm sure all of you got a kick out of that... What a perfect explanation of what an immigrant is.

I think we all need to grow up, and let people in, legalize them (for a small fee) if they are willing or deny them if they are not, bring in the tax money that they are using if they aren't legal, etc, .... PROFIT!

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
2 points

Yes! And i've heard, not necessarily from a reliable source, that the number of illegal immigrants, if legalized and made to pay taxes in the Southern California area alone would be able to end a lot of the budget cuts put in place by either the school board or the governator! (Assuming that we used the money wisely and to our advantage) [; besides, there is no reason to hate them, because even illegals pay taxes on their pay checks when/if they get jobs. and pretty much all the food in this country has taxes on it, so when they use welfare money they are paying taxes, and their money goes back to the government for the most part. But the thing that truly bugs me about illegals, is that everyone says that they are easy to point out in a crowd but i have yet to notice one yet!!! ]': lol!

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
1 point

Personally, I think not so much! I think American Congressman and all our decision-makers are the people who are turning this country into a big smelly pile. I think people start to forget want this country was built on, once they start losing things in their life, they need something to blame it on. You know, its funny, recently I had been watching a bunch of u tube clips on photographers confronting minutemen and all their glitz, asking them where their family came from. They had the most obsurd answers, it was really a kick in the butt! They didnt know what to do when they were confronted with those kinds of questions. I think personally, that once the country started to get more immigrants coming in ( I think thats something to be proud of, that so many people want in) that the government just thought, okay, lets only let these people in, and these people, and so on, and so on. I wonder why Mexican citizens who want to immigrate to this country arent allowed to participate in the greencard raffles. Can anyone explain that to me? Im caucas. so dont assume im supporting this because im latino, cause im not. Any intelligeant person who has ever been to these foreign countries would understand the rush of people trying to get into a better place, risking their life while they are at it. I think they produce more money for our economy, therefore adding to the countrys' wealth. Ive read many times, that this kind of untaxed money being pulled through the system, should actually help the eonomy. So, there.

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
1 point

No there not bad they work as hard as everybody else if your going against them your probably just mad because they do better of a job than you and work harder nd dont mind if they get paid less. All they want is more freedom all you other people want to take that away from them. How are they really harmful to us, i mean be serious. Its common sense every body can be harmful so stop being racist and just let it be.

Side: Hell NO
1 point

No one had a problem as long as the economy was good and they were spending their money to keep your businesses running. All of a sudden the political forces need a scapegoat to divert your attention away from say...

outsourcing

environment

corporate greed

Things that are messing up the economy more than illegals.

Side: Now that you mention it. . .
1 point

will someone give me some info on how america is getting messed up by these illigal importations of immigrants?

Side: Now that you mention it. . .