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Races are not equal. Races are equal.
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Are Races equal?

There is only two racist theories to explain why some notorious ethnicities are always crime and welfare prone, regardless of which western society they inhabit.    The first racist explanation is CRT, or critical race Theory, which proposes that the reason why ethnicities such as African blacks, Australian Aboriginals, and Pacific Islanders are always dysfunctional, is because the racist white oppressors are keeping them down through "unconscious racism" (whatever that is?).   The second racist explanation, is that these races have a "bell curve" of intelligence displaced from other races, and a genetic predisposition to violent behaviour which is much greater than among other races.   I think that the second racist explanation is the correct one.  What do you think?  

Races are not equal.

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Races are equal.

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I don't think that there is any room for debate.

Global figures compiled by both official and independent statisticians

irrefutably show that blacks most definitely do have, not only a disproportionately high predisposition to violent crime but are traditionally lazier and more childishly dependent on others for guidance and support.

Note how the begging bowls of black Africa always point to ''the predominately white nations of the west'' when they're in trouble, which is pretty much all the time.

Take heed how, down the centuries virtually all the technical inventions and medical discoveries are attributable to whites.

Is it not remarkable that after years of THE OSCARS the only recorded incident of a physical altercation was between two BLACKS?

One, a so called comedian, was brutally rude while the other, Will Smyth couldn't control his primeval violent instincts.

I'M CONVINCED THAT BLACKS BRANCHED OF THE EVOLUTIONARY TREE AT A DIFFERENT TIME THAN ASIANS AND WHITES.

If we ''go outside the box'' and dispassionately evaluate the black race we must conclude that, generally speaking, they are more childlike than other races and, unlike other ethnic groups, blame their lack of racial achievement on whites and Asians.

Blacks enjoy significantly better lifestyles when they are able to hang onto the shirttails of Asians and whites.

In many cases the Asians swat the parasitic irritants away, while the whites BEG FOREGIVENESS for being white, more self-reliant, harder working, more clever and innovative.

Side: Races are not equal.
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Thank you, Norwich for supporting my view. I often go onto debate sites and submit this topic and I have been banned from two "debate" sites for even bringing the topic up. Here in the "free world" country of Australia it is against the law to even write about this subject. Australian Federal Law Statute 18C declares it illegal to "offend, intimidate, or humiliate" people for their ethnic identity. Freedom of Speech (the keystone of democracy) ends with some dysfunctional minority groups hurt feelings. Of course, you can say whatever you like abo0ut the white race and nobody will say a thing. When one Australian right wing politician tried to get the Equal Opportunities Department to prosecute a journalist who had made the most racist comments about white Australians, surprise, surprise, The Equal Opportunity Board refused to prosecute. This has happened numerous times.

Australia is experiencing a serious upsurge in violent crime with Lebanese in particular turning the streets of Sydney into the new Chicago with dead bodies and bullet casings littering our streets. African gangs never existed in Australia prior to the 1980's when our governments of both the right and left began importing African "refugees". The situation regarding African youth gangs has become so bad in Melbourne that for a period of time, it was impossible to buy baseball bats or pickaxe handles so that the residents could defend their homes from "Home Invading" black gangs.

The media does it's absolute best to never link serious violent crime with any specific ethnicities. The race of perpetrators is never reported an the public only figures out what is going on when perpetrators go to court and the race of the perps family is revealed when they come to court to support their sons. Victorian Police issued a warning for any citizen who sees an African gang on the streets to not make eye contact and to turn around and head in the opposite direction. Meanwhile, the head of Victorian Police, a female who was a political appointee, picked for the fact that she had a vagina instead of a penis, and for being politically correct, lied to the public when she claimed that African crime rates were the same as everybody else.

Side: Races are not equal.
Norwich(404) Clarified
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Hi Bogan, first of all I attest that no one has the right not to be offended.

If you wish to express or promote your genuinely held political or religious viewpoints to an audience then it would be nigh impossible to do so without offending someone.

The wokes and loony lefties have successfully infiltrated, and assumed command of the mainstream media, the Universities, THE POLICE AND MOST LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES and are well on the way to establishing the premise that to be white is a crime.

Let's look just briefly at what whites have done and achieved in recent history and over the centuries.

We've given the world the following inventions/discoveries which we all now take for granted.

Electricity,

The light bulb,

The radio,

Television'

The telephone,

The internal combustion engine,

The automobile.

The jet engine,

Aeroplanes,

Space going rockets,

The locomotive,

Navigational instruments- the Sexton etc.,

Visual aids, binoculars, the telescope,

High yield farming methods,

Modern building materials and techniques,

Penicillin and the specialist range of penicillin derivative biotics,

Modern surgical operating procedures including the creation and use of anaesthetics,

The creation of most of the world's life saving and pain relieving drugs,

The political and legal basis upon which most of the free world's governmental administrations and judicial systems are based.

Despite these outstanding achievements there are many weak minded/ easily led white fools who beg for forgiveness for being white.

But more sinisterly the campaign by the woke mob and the radial left gangsters is well advanced and has moderate conservatism in a state of retreat and subservience.

On the positive FRONT we, the long suffering and maligned whites have got some excellent academics and strong politicians who are, through logic and rational argument punching holes in the Wokes twisted narrative.

The loony lefties and the Woke mob are, I feel the biggest challenge to the freedom of what is right now, the oxymoron of the century;- Free world.

What you have described is indicative of what's happening to most democratic nations. CHECK OUT SWEDEN.

Good luck in Australia with your fight for FREEDOM OF POLITICAL AND RELIGIOUS EXPRESSION*.

Side: Races are not equal.
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Hi, uniballer. I am not folowing you. You claim that all races are equal and then say something about " You can point out any person of any ethnicity and I can show you an example of that person in another ethnicity."

I do not even know what your statement means? Could you expand on your "explanation" so that all of us can understand your logic? Methinks you don't even know what it means yourself and you were deliberately vague in your statement as a tactic.

Side: Races are not equal.
Norwich(404) Clarified
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I think he means that if you pointed out, let's say a white man he could find, let's say a black man with nigh on identical mental facilities and physical ability.

He'd be right of course, but he'd using an exception to the rule for comparison and forgetting about all the other human characteristics such as work ethic, entrepreneurial skills, ambition, self-respect, pride in one's community, due regard for the law and a loyalty towards their country.

Where the black man finds himself living along side whites and/or Asians, generally speaking he cannot compete successfully and try's to mask his failures by accusing those of his host nation of RACISM, WHITE SUPREMACY AND WHITE PRIVILEGE.

That deceitful ploy we can understand. It's the white idiots who aid and abet that false narrative which helps the blacks to dodge the glaring truth that poses the real danger to all the white societies in the free world.

Side: Races are not equal.
Uniballer(34) Disputed
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Hello to you both.

Yes Norwich you are correct, well almost correct. You show me a white man with a strong character, IQ, worth ethic, morality, violent behavior, racist nature, etc and I can show you the same in a black man.

Even Albert Einstein said "Many a sincere person will answer me: 'Our attitude towards Negroes is the result of unfavorable experiences, which we have had living side by side with Negroes in this country. They are not our equals in intelligence, sense of responsibility, reliability.' I am firmly convinced that whoever believes this suffers from a fatal misconception"

Dr. Philip Emeagwali is a black man with an IQ of 190 and some say more intelligent then Einstein himself.

Side: Races are equal.

I think people are so “Nice” that they ignore cold hard truth. White people have made the most innovative advances. Black people can run faster. It’s science. WTF

Side: Races are not equal.
eaetaiko(2) Disputed
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Just because whites have made more innovative advances doesn't mean they're better.

Many black people marked history, even more than whites

The color of our skin doesn't define our ability, if we are better or worse than someone else, it's literally just a little more melanin in the skin, nothing much, it's science! WTF

Side: Races are equal.
BrontoLite(638) Disputed
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Just because whites have made more innovative advances doesn't mean they're better.

True

the color of our skin doesn't define our ability

Sweet. Glad to see you kill the "voter IDs are racist" myth.

Side: Races are not equal.
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To Jace. Science classifies everything. It classifies volcanoes, fish, stars, mammals, rocks, trees, primates, clouds, galaxies, birds, you name it. All of these things are "social constructs", so what on earth you are talking about is beyond me? perhaps you could explain how classifying anything is invalid? My presumption is, that somebody has said this nonsense to you, and you did not even think about it before you began using it as an "argument?"

Old time marxists used to claim that class did not exist because it was a "social construct." They don't say it anymore because todays diplomad socialite socialists are very aware of the presumed moral and intellectual "superiority" of their class, and they are the biggest snobs around.

Side: Races are not equal.
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Hi Norwich. I don't see any African Einsteins, Rutherfords, Da Vincis, Galileao's, Cricks, or Newtons. There are smart African people (Leo Terrell, George Freeman, Sydney Poitier, Candice Owen, Don Bongino) but unfortunately, the proportion of Africans with average, above average, and very high IQ is nowhere near the proportion of that of people from successful races. I think that the group intelligence of races is generally linked to the length of their civilisation.

According to the book 'The Bell Curve", Jews are the smartest race (most common IQ 115. Asians next with 106. Whites with 103. Hispanics 95. And Africans 70-85, with west coast Africans (Nigerians) usually smarter that east coast Africans (Sudanese and Somalis). Gee, whadyaknow? That seems to reflect the actuality of western social and financial success? Looks like that is more than a coincidence.

White people used to have a mean IQ of 100, but that has now increased to 103 which seems to indicate that education and living in a complex society does make people incrementally smarter over generational time periods. But no amount of education can make a basically low IQ person into a high IQ person. In Australia, the Northern territory governments spends two thirds of it's education budget on one third of it's students who identify as "aboriginal" for a 90ilure rate in standard national examinations.

Is there a genetic factor to criminal behaviour? Of course there is. Regardless of nation or culture, 93% to 97% of incarcerated criminals are males. That is a very strong argument for a genetic factor in crime, right there. Another is low intelligence, and intelligence can be heritable. And if certain always dysfunctional ethnicities, noted for their low IQ's are very disproportionately represented in serious criminal behaviour, it is a reasonable assumption to conclude that most people from certain ethnicities make poor candidates for immigration into advanced western societies.

Side: Races are not equal.
Norwich(404) Clarified
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Hi Bogan, Yes sirree Bob, the facts speak for themselves, but the wokes and the virtue signallers are working tirelessly trying to rewrite history and dishonestly attribute inventions and discoveries to blacks which they never made.

Children's illustrated history books show pictures of black indigenous families living in Roman occupied Britain. This is utter and blatant brainwashing nonsense.

Even nursery thymes such as Baa Baa Black sheep have you any wool, has been changed to Baa Baa Baa sheep---.

There is no coordinated body to push against the dangerous propaganda being churned out by the wokes and racial lefties but it is time that we made a stand before we're consigned to the status of second/third class citizens.

The time for passive complacency has ended.

The anti-white wokes and lefties have had it all their own way for too long while we sleep walk into a subservient roll.

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To Eaetaiko.

What you wrote was an opinion, not an argument. If you think that all races are equal, by what reasoned logic did you come to that conclusion, and what evidence do you submit to support your view?

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To excon. Laws pertaining to race are not equal in Australia, thye are very much n favour of "indigenous" people.(Or, at least thise with blond hair and blue eyes who claim that they are indigenous to get the massive welfare benefit advantages bestowed on the "indigenous"

Australia is the only country on planet earth that has a specific government department set up exclusively for the benefit of two races, The Department of Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islanders. These two races do not exist according to one of your supporters on this page. "There is only one race, the human race" claims the 'anti racists" who claim that race does not exist when it is convenient, but who can see race as plain as day when money is being handed out.

All people except "aboriginal" people must pay their own university fees.

All people except "aboriginal" people must keep a record of their attempts to find a job before they can claim welfare.

"Aboriginal" people get free legal advice, all others are expected to pay if they can.

"Aboriginal" people are the only race who may apply for government jobs which are exclusively set aside for aborigines.

"Aboriginal" parents are the only ones who get a special allowance if they make their kids go to school.

"Aboriginal" people are the only people the government pays "truancy officer" drivers to take aboriginal kids to school.

"Aboriginal" schools are the only government schools that give their students free food.

"Aboriginal" apprentices are taught in special "aboriginal only" classes where the suspicion exists that the courses are dumbed down and the exams very liberally marked.

"Aboriginal" people do not appear to pay Land Tax on their extensive land holding which every other citizen must do.

"Aboriginal" people get free dental services provided for them in rural areas by travelling government dentists, the whites who live in these rural areas and pay taxes have to travel to large country towns to get dental assistance, and they pay for the treatment themselves.

"Aboriginal" people are paid royalties for minerals on their land which other races do not get.

"Aboriginal" people have a lower retirement age. (55)

Since "aboriginal" men murdering their spouses is so common, an aboriginal offender who murders his spouse is much more likely to be charged with manslaughter, rather than murder.

All people except "aboriginal" people in NSW must pay for fishing licenses.

All people except 'aboriginal" people must pay to enter national parks.

"Aboriginal" doctors are only licensed to treat aboriginal people in aboriginal tribal areas. The only credible explanation for that, is that the "aboriginal" medical course is so dumbed down that aboriginal doctors are not sufficiently qualified to be general practitioners, treating everybody. But they can still have the coveted "Dr" prefix before their name, suggesting that aboriginal doctors are as smart as non aboriginal doctors.

Side: Races are not equal.
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To "Disputed by me".

I have no idea what this "scientific evidence" is that you claim proves that races are physically and mentally equal, and I would love to know what it is? Could you please submit a link? You are self evidently wrong about physical abilities, unless you want to argue that there is "scientific evidence" that white skin is just as solar resistant than dark skin?

As for your claim that races have equal crime rates, Like, are you are kidding me? Do you really believe that? Or are you just trying to be funny? Thank you for clearly showing that those who support the idea that all races are equal can believe the most incredible nonsense and are a bit short in the brains department.

Side: Races are not equal.
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I have no idea what this "scientific evidence" is that you claim proves that races are physically and mentally equal, and I would love to know what it is? Could you please submit a link? You are self evidently wrong about physical abilities, unless you want to argue that there is "scientific evidence" that white skin is just as solar resistant than dark skin?

The scientific evidence that I am referring to can be found here

This evidence shows that there is no scientific basis for the claim that one race is superior to another race.

As for your claim that races have equal crime rates, Like, are you are kidding me? Do you really believe that? Or are you just trying to be funny? Thank you for clearly showing that those who support the idea that all races are equal can believe the most incredible nonsense and are a bit short in the brains department.

This part is laughable. Instead of actually disputing my claim, you left it all to the Ad Hominem logical fallacy which clearly shows that you have no argument to offer.

Also, just an FYI, you don't have to say "To " every time you want to dispute someone's argument. There is a dispute button that shows up below my argument that you can press to dispute.

Side: Races are equal.
Bogan(31) Disputed
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To "disputed by me". Because I like to understand both sides of an argument before I commit, I read the anti racist book "The War on Children" by Peter Breggin. The most interesting thing about reading books by fundamentalist zealots is that they are so convinced that they are right, that they let all kinds of things slip that they should keep to themselves. Breggin bragged that the US NAACP had successfully lobbied the US Congress to deny research funding to any geneticist who wished to research any link between genetics and crime. Now, I don't know about you? But my reasonable assumption is that any organisation who uses political influence to shut up scientists is not one who is seeking the truth.

Your link also mentioned the Human Genome Project. The Director of the HGP was non other than one Francis Crick, co discoverer of the double helix and a Nobel Prize winner. When questioned by a reporter on developing Africa to a European lifestyle, Crick pointed out that it could never happen because black African people are just not smart enough. That created a furore, and Crick was sacked from the HGP, tossed out of his university, and had his name chiselled off any plaque dedicated to his contribution to science. At least he did not get treated by the politically correct like the Catholic Church treated Galileo. They did not display to him the instruments of torture if he did not recant. They just "cancelled" him and destroyed his career. That's progress. And you are on the side of those who want to shut up the world's leading scientists? Like, are you serious? Do you really think that your beliefs are those of a far seeing intelligent person?

As to the idea that science does not recognise race, that is easily disprovable BS. Anthropologists are scientists who are intensely interested in tracing the origins and movements of the various branches of the human race. They routinely dig up ancient burial sites and one thing they need to know is the race of the buried human. This they can do through skeletal examination. (and increasingly, DNA) Whenever a skeleton is discovered that is believed to be a murder victim, the police need to identify the race, gender, and age of the victim to have any chance of making an identification. Forensic Anthropologists are scientist skilled in answering those questions the police need answers to.

I am sure that you are smart enough to know that what I just wrote about scientists can identify race of even a skeleton is correct? That is common knowledge to anyone who watches TV crime shows. But the reason why you did not make the connection between what you know and what you advocate, is because a mental barrier has been installed in your brain by your peers who do not want your brain to make very obvious connections. Your brain is stuck in a rut that it can not think past.

Lastly, left whingers always claim that race does not exist whenever it is convenient for them to do so. But they can see race as plain as day whenever they are lobbying for more public funds to go to the races or ethnicities they champion but who they perversely claim do not exist. These races, they claim, are supposedly "oppressed" by the white race, which also logically does not exist.

Side: Races are not equal.
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To "disputed by me". Because I like to understand both sides of an argument before I commit, I read the anti racist book "The War on Children" by Peter Breggin. The most interesting thing about reading books by fundamentalist zealots is that they are so convinced that they are right, that they let all kinds of things slip that they should keep to themselves. Breggin bragged that the US NAACP had successfully lobbied the US Congress to deny research funding to any geneticist who wished to research any link between genetics and crime. Now, I don't know about you? But my reasonable assumption is that any organisation who uses political influence to shut up scientists is not one who is seeking the truth.

Your link also mentioned the Human Genome Project. The Director of the HGP was non other than one Francis Crick, co discoverer of the double helix and a Nobel Prize winner. When questioned by a reporter on developing Africa to a European lifestyle, Crick pointed out that it could never happen because black African people are just not smart enough. That created a furore, and Crick was sacked from the HGP, tossed out of his university, and had his name chiselled off any plaque dedicated to his contribution to science. At least he did not get treated by the politically correct like the Catholic Church treated Galileo. They did not display to him the instruments of torture if he did not recant. They just "cancelled" him and destroyed his career. That's progress. And you are on the side of those who want to shut up the world's leading scientists? Like, are you serious? Do you really think that your beliefs are those of a far seeing intelligent person?

As to the idea that science does not recognise race, that is easily disprovable BS. Anthropologists are scientists who are intensely interested in tracing the origins and movements of the various branches of the human race. They routinely dig up ancient burial sites and one thing they need to know is the race of the buried human. This they can do through skeletal examination. (and increasingly, DNA) Whenever a skeleton is discovered that is believed to be a murder victim, the police need to identify the race, gender, and age of the victim to have any chance of making an identification. Forensic Anthropologists are scientist skilled in answering those questions the police need answers to.

I am sure that you are smart enough to know that what I just wrote about scientists can identify race of even a skeleton is correct? That is common knowledge to anyone who watches TV crime shows. But the reason why you did not make the connection between what you know and what you advocate, is because a mental barrier has been installed in your brain by your peers who do not want your brain to make very obvious connections. Your brain is stuck in a rut that it can not think past.

Lastly, left whingers always claim that race does not exist whenever it is convenient for them to do so. But they can see race as plain as day whenever they are lobbying for more public funds to go to the races or ethnicities they champion but who they perversely claim do not exist. These races, they claim, are supposedly "oppressed" by the white race, which also logically does not exist.

Side: Races are not equal.
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Because I like to understand both sides of an argument before I commit, I read the anti racist book "The War on Children" by Peter Breggin. The most interesting thing about reading books by fundamentalist zealots is that they are so convinced that they are right, that they let all kinds of things slip that they should keep to themselves. Breggin bragged that the US NAACP had successfully lobbied the US Congress to deny research funding to any geneticist who wished to research any link between genetics and crime. Now, I don't know about you? But my reasonable assumption is that any organisation who uses political influence to shut up scientists is not one who is seeking the truth.

This is a false dilemma fallacy. Just because the NAACP has lobbied Congress to deny research funding to geneticists who want to research a link between genetics and crime, does not automatically mean that they are not seeking the truth. There could be many reasons why they have done this, such as the fact that they believe that such research is dangerous and could be used to justify discrimination against certain groups of people.

Your link also mentioned the Human Genome Project. The Director of the HGP was non other than one Francis Crick, co discoverer of the double helix and a Nobel Prize winner. When questioned by a reporter on developing Africa to a European lifestyle, Crick pointed out that it could never happen because black African people are just not smart enough. That created a furore, and Crick was sacked from the HGP, tossed out of his university, and had his name chiselled off any plaque dedicated to his contribution to science. At least he did not get treated by the politically correct like the Catholic Church treated Galileo. They did not display to him the instruments of torture if he did not recant. They just "cancelled" him and destroyed his career. That's progress. And you are on the side of those who want to shut up the world's leading scientists? Like, are you serious? Do you really think that your beliefs are those of a far seeing intelligent person?

First of all, it is important to note that just because someone is a scientist, does not automatically mean that they are right about everything. Scientists are human beings and are just as prone to bias and error as anyone else.

Second of all, the fact that Crick was sacked from the HGP and had his name removed from any plaque dedicated to his contributions to science does not mean that his views on race are correct. It simply means that his views were not in line with the values of the organisation he was working for.

Lastly, I am not on the side of those who want to shut up scientists. I am on the side of those who want scientists to be open-minded and willing to consider all evidence, regardless of where it comes from.

As to the idea that science does not recognise race, that is easily disprovable BS. Anthropologists are scientists who are intensely interested in tracing the origins and movements of the various branches of the human race. They routinely dig up ancient burial sites and one thing they need to know is the race of the buried human. This they can do through skeletal examination. (and increasingly, DNA) Whenever a skeleton is discovered that is believed to be a murder victim, the police need to identify the race, gender, and age of the victim to have any chance of making an identification. Forensic Anthropologists are scientist skilled in answering those questions the police need answers to.

This is a strawman argument. I never said that science does not recognise race. I said that there is no scientific basis for the claim that one race is superior to another race. There is a big difference between recognising that people can be grouped into races and claiming that one race is superior to another race.

I am sure that you are smart enough to know that what I just wrote about scientists can identify race of even a skeleton is correct? That is common knowledge to anyone who watches TV crime shows. But the reason why you did not make the connection between what you know and what you advocate, is because a mental barrier has been installed in your brain by your peers who do not want your brain to make very obvious connections. Your brain is stuck in a rut that it can not think past.

This is an ad hominem fallacy and a strawman argument. Just because I do not agree with you does not automatically mean that I have been brainwashed by my peers or that I am unable to think for myself.

Lastly, left whingers always claim that race does not exist whenever it is convenient for them to do so. But they can see race as plain as day whenever they are lobbying for more public funds to go to the races or ethnicities they champion but who they perversely claim do not exist. These races, they claim, are supposedly "oppressed" by the white race, which also logically does not exist.

This is a strawman argument. I never said that race does not exist. I said that there is no scientific basis for the claim that one race is superior to another race. There is a big difference between recognizing that people can be grouped into races and claiming that one race is superior to another race.

I find it amusing that you think that you can just cherry-pick a few isolated incidents and use them to paint an entire movement with a broad brush. I could do the same thing to you and your argument, but I choose not to because I believe in engaging in civil discourse.

Side: Races are equal.
Bogan(31) Disputed
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This is a false dilemma fallacy. Just because the NAACP has lobbied Congress to deny research funding to geneticists who want to research a link between genetics and crime, does not automatically mean that they are not seeking the truth.

No, it is called drawing an obvious conclusion from the very clear facts. According to an arch anti racist, (Peter Breggin) the NAACP lobbied the US Federal government to deny funding to any geneticist who wanted to investigate any link between genetics and crime. I would have thought that any intelligent person can make the connection, that when any group of people use their political power to stop scientific research, they do not want that research done because they are afraid of what will be revealed? And they do not want that knowledge publically known. Arguing against scientific research, eh? Hahaha. Congratulations, you have finally become the very sort of anti scientific person that you once despised in your youth.

There could be many reasons why they have done this, such as the fact that they believe that such research is dangerous and could be used to justify discrimination against certain groups of people.

You got that right. Making it a scientific fact that certain races are genetically prone to violent criminal behaviour would nullify the widely held belief among "intelligent" people that all races are equal. Can't have that, can we? Better to shut the scientists up and keep spinning the false premises which are destroying western civilisation, the same civilisation you live in. The truth must not be told. The truth is too "dangerous". You would have made a great archbishop when Darwin published "Origin of Species." You have exactly the same mindset.

First of all, it is important to note that just because someone is a scientist, does not automatically mean that they are right about everything.

We are not asking them if they are right, are we? People on your side of the fence do not even want them to investigate what is right. What does that tell you about their motivations? It tells me a lot about your motivations that you would choose to misread what I wrote and instead toss a very smelly red herring to avoid commenting upon the fact that your side wants to shut up science.

Scientists are human beings and are just as prone to bias and error as anyone else.

That is true. But you are smart enough to know that what you wrote was a misdirection. The anti racist forces, of which you are a sterling member, do not want scientists to look for knowledge which the anti racists do not want known. THAT is not the position of an intelligent person. It is the position of a wild eyed fundamentalist zealot. You are not one of those, are you?

Second of all, the fact that Crick was sacked from the HGP and had his name removed from any plaque dedicated to his contributions to science does not mean that his views on race are correct. It simply means that his views were not in line with the values of the organisation he was working for.

An organisation who does not want to start another Darwin style public furore and have their public research funds cut off by the government, acting on behalf of a minority group who fears the truth being made public. What would that do to their Critical Race Theory, hmmmmm? Hey! This is fun. I have never debated against somebody who seems to be squirming because he knows that by advocating for the anti racist side, he is indirectly advocating for the scientists to be shut up. Maybe we are in a time warp here? You are really a priest? And you are actually typing your opinions from the 19th century, and your messages only arrived in 2022 through a black hole event horizon?

Lastly, I am not on the side of those who want to shut up scientists. I am on the side of those who want scientists to be open-minded and willing to consider all evidence, regardless of where it comes from.

Hahahaha! They can not be open minded if they are not even allowed to conduct the research, can they? Which side is not being open minded? And if they come out and say what they think is the truth, they lose their job and get cancelled. That is shutting up the scientists. You are certainly in a quandary, aren't you? You know that shutting up the scientists is imperative to your anti racist humanitarian ideology, but you don't want to be seen as one who agrees that scientists should be silenced.

This is a strawman argument. I never said that science does not recognise race. I said that there is no scientific basis for the claim that one race is superior to another race. There is a big difference between recognising that people can be grouped into races and claiming that one race is superior to another race.

I would have thought that science would agree that people with black skin have superior skin solar protection than people with white or yellow skin? That is self evidently a physical difference. Or do you even deny that?

This is an ad hominem fallacy and a strawman argument. Just because I do not agree with you does not automatically mean that I have been brainwashed by my peers or that I am unable to think for myself.

You have no evidence that races are equal at all. Then you claim that "there is no scientific basis for the claim that one race is superior to the other." But in solar protection alone you are obviously wrong, and you do not even need to be a scientist to know that. Could I also submit that you have no scientific basis to your claim that races are equal? Yet you still believe it. That looks like religion to me. It has been inculcated into your brain so long ago that you simply accept what is quite plainly illogical, superstitious nonsense.

I find it amusing that you think that you can just cherry-pick a few isolated incidents and use them to paint an entire movement with a broad brush. I could do the same thing to you and your argument, but I choose not to because I believe in engaging in civil discourse.

So do I.

I am saying it is self evidently obvious that races are not equal, and I am giving examples of why I think the way I do. One reason is, because one very influential anti racist organisation is using it's influence to prevent geneticists from seeking knowledge that the anti racist forces do not want known to the public. Any organisations that want to shut up science have lost me. You are in a quandary, aren't you? As an "intelligent" person you know that it is wrong to support shutting up scientists. It goes against all secular western thinking. But on the other hand, you don't want the scientists to do research that would disprove your pet humanitarian ideology wrong. So, you engage in mental gymnastics, trying to support the anti racist position by not quite responding to what I am submitting, muddying the water, while claiming that you are not anti science. That is not the way an intelligent person thinks, and you know it. An intelligent person says "May the truth be told, though the heavens may fall." It was because western people started thinking that way 400 years ago, our civilisation rocketed ahead of all others. So, at least I presume I have got you thinking? You have to choose whether you support those who want to shut up science? Or, you support those who are submitting a premise that contradicts everything you have been conditioned to believe is all that is good and holy?

Food for thought. Bon appetite.

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I can't resist pinching and customizing a quote from George Orwell's book;- ''Animal Farm''.

All races are equal, BUT SOME RACES ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS.

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And we in Australia are proud to say that an Australian was responsible for one of the most significant advances in the whole history of the human race. An Australian invented the ring pull beer can.

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Norwich(404) Clarified
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That ring pull innovation surpasses the invention of the wheel.

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Races are equal. You can point out any person of any ethnicity and I can show you an example of that person in another ethnicity.

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race is a construct. people who believe that races are real are idiots. and people that believe 'their race' is 'superior' to other 'races' are just compensating for their especially weak sense of self-sufficiency. it's pathetic.

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All races are equal. That is my clear position. It doesn't matter who or where you were born.

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Are Races equal?

Hello:

Sure.

Are LAWS dealing with race equal? Nahh!

excon

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Developing(493) Disputed
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Excon, what "specific" laws dealing with race are unequal? What laws deal with race?

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excon(17120) Disputed
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Excon, what "specific" laws dealing with race are unequal? What laws deal with race?

Hello hater:

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/5-egregious-voter-suppression-laws-2021

Flor­ida Senate Bill 90: Broad restric­tions on mail voting

Geor­gia S.B. 202: A ban on food and water, plus subtle attacks on mail voting and local elec­tion offi­cials

Geor­gia S.B. 202 gained national atten­tion by making it a crime to distrib­ute water or snacks to voters wait­ing in line,

Iowa Senate File 413: Crim­in­al­iz­ing elec­tion offi­cials for protect­ing voters. The law imposes a number of new penal­ties and restric­tions on elec­tion offi­cials, includ­ing a provi­sion that refers county elec­tion offi­cials for crim­inal prosec­u­tion if they do not imple­ment the law’s aggress­ive new voter-roll purge provi­sions.

Montana H.B. 176 elim­in­ated Elec­tion Day regis­tra­tion, a popu­lar and effect­ive policy that Montana voters have relied on for years. During debate over the law, a Repub­lican state repres­ent­at­ive openly stated that he wanted to end elec­tion day regis­tra­tion because he believed it was used by young people who were “not on our side of the aisle.”

Texas S.B. 1: Target­ing Elec­tion Work­ers and Restrict­ing Mail Voting

Arizona S.B. 1013 would require the secret­ary of state to ask for an exemp­tion from the federal rules that bar proof of citizen­ship require­ments to vote, and

Arizona S.C.R. 1005 would initi­ate a ballot refer­en­dum to impose a new proof of citizen­ship require­ment.

New Hamp­shire: House Bill 1522 would allow any voter to conduct their own “citizen’s audit” of elec­tion results by person­ally view­ing every ballot cast in an elec­tion, creat­ing seri­ous privacy prob­lems and further under­min­ing public confid­ence in elec­tions.

H.B. 1567 would allow any registered voter to sue to have an elec­tion offi­cial removed from office. And H.B. 1324 would allow the New Hamp­shire State Senate to initi­ate a dispute before the New Hamp­shire Supreme Court seek­ing to over­turn the state’s results for a pres­id­en­tial elec­tion.

excon

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BrontoLite(638) Disputed
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Are LAWS dealing with race equal? Nahh!

List the laws you are talking about.

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We are all human. Under our skin we are all equal. We are not better or worse than anyone else because of our race. Whether you are black, white, yellow, asian, indigenous, etc.

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BrontoLite(638) Disputed
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We are all human.

Not me.

Under our skin we are all equal.

No two things are ever equal. Otherwise they are the same thing and not two different things.

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/identity-indiscernible/

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The scientific evidence does not support the idea that any one race is superior to any other race. Instead, the evidence shows that all races are equal in terms of their physical and mental abilities.

One reason why some people believe that some races are superior to others is because of the way that they look. For example, white people tend to have lighter skin than black people. This can give the impression that white people are more beautiful than black people. However, beauty is subjective and there is no scientific evidence to support the idea that one race is more beautiful than another race.

Another reason why some people believe that some races are superior to others is because of the way that they behave. For example, some people think that black people are more likely to be violent than white people. However, this is not true. The crime rates for different races are similar, and there is no evidence to suggest that one race is more likely to be violent than another race.

The scientific evidence does not support the idea that any one race is superior to any other race. Instead, the evidence shows that all races are equal in terms of their physical and mental abilities. This means that all races should be treated equally and given the same opportunities in life.

Side: Races are equal.