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Yes (accept it with proofs) Won't accept even with proofs
Debate Score:69
Arguments:49
Total Votes:74
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Are You Ready To Accept The Existence Of God Provided Sufficient Proofs?

 

This is series of questions. And it is question No. 1. This is for atheists only.

 

  What would constitute sufficient evidence for the existence of God?

 

Please vote “yes” if you are ready to confess the existence of God (if you don’t believe now) and vote “no” if you are not ready to confess the existence of God even with sufficient proofs.

 

Yes (accept it with proofs)

Side Score: 33
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Won't accept even with proofs

Side Score: 36
5 points

Wow. So big and spotted with colors.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
2 points

I would, if anyone could obtain such proof, but I doubt that will ever happen or be possible. We'll know the truth when we die I guess.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
2 points

If you don't think proof of God's existence is obtainable, then why in the world do you think you will know when you die?

The idea that man CAN be alive again after they die is directly tied to belief in God, since any future life comes only from God.

Unless I'm wrong, I think most atheists believe that when you die, you truly die, and that's it. At least the ones I've talked to say this.

Are you ready to accept the fact that when you die you are truly dead, along with the belief that existence of God can't be proven?

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
1 point

First of all, I am not an atheist.

Second of all, I was kind of joking when I said that last part.

Thirdly, you will know, or you won't exist to know anymore. So either you get an answer, or it really doesn't matter.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
sunialpani(214) Clarified
1 point

Can you please explain (as you heard or read or from your own understanding) how did the Universe come into existence? Did the Universe created of its own? Did something appeared out of nothing? Please answer this and I'll explain/ask you more.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
Saurbaby(5581) Clarified
1 point

I don't really think about the creation of the universe too much. So I haven't read much into it.

I've thought about that there was a creator of some sort that created the universe and everything, but I don't believe that the creator still plays a role in our lives at all. I guess the best way to explain it is that the creator became the creation, or the universe.

But, as I said, I haven't thought about it too hard, this is just something I've mildly contemplated before.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed Banned
1 point

Did something appeared out of nothing?

You say that and yet you claim that your god does the exact same thing.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs

If there is proof, I would accept it.

Now, the question remains, where is your proof?

Nowhere, probably, since individuals like yourself don't even know what constitutes 'proof'.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
3 points

Check out the website called "In Six Days" for scientists' articles detailing why they believe in God. The articles are from medical research scientists, biologists, physicists, geophysicists, etc. They are quite interesting, and a gold mine of scientific "proof" that God really did create the universe, and does indeed exist.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
chatturgha(1631) Disputed
1 point

I am not going to buy a book and read the whole thing just so I can dispute your small reply.

If you want to argue proof, do it for yourself to keep this as an easy back-and-forth.

Start with what you feel as being 'proof' and we'll continue from there.

But don't waste my time by telling me that there is proof just because I am not willing to go off and read an entire book to stay on board with this discussion (which from my impressions of what I've read through so far are positively ridiculous and don't even adhere to the scientific method in what's being described).

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)

Yes, given conclusive proof, I'd accept anything - absolutely without limit. I see no reason to reject anything at all that can be proven to me.

However, what I don't think you realise is that if God were proven, assuming you mean the Bible Gods (one of thousands of gods man has written stories about) I'd probably worship the Devil in a display of rebellion against the tyrannic and incompetent nature of his ruling. I'd rather burn in Hell than kiss the bastard's feet.

Irrelevant, as it'll never be proven, but I just thought I should add that.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
NivaZimel(135) Disputed
2 points

Don't worry, you won't burn in hell, since the Bible does not teach such unjust punishment from God. You will just remain dead when you die. Satan is the great rebel, and many people follow him with your attitude. If he couldn't have his own way, he chooses to die.

But you don't realize is that God would not accept your "acceptance" just because it was proven. Satan also knows God exists, and yet has chosen to rebel. You have to accept God from your heart, and obviously, that is not in you to do so.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
AnOddEnglish(128) Clarified
0 points

So, I'd get to annoy God and I wouldn't go to Hell? That would be wonderful.

It won't ever happen, but at least I know what I'll do if it did.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
1 point

Read the Bible! Where did the universe come from if He didn't exist! ;)

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
1 point

I have read the Bible, more than most Christians I've ever met have. It's the number one cause for my atheism - I can clearly see why it is to be ignored.

Where did the Universe come from? I don't know. But for me, "I don't know" doesn't lead to > "Therefore it must have been this explanation, and nothing else, which is ridiculous."

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
1 point

If I prayed for the sky to turn purple with green polka dots for 1 year, and it happened.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
1 point

If the proof is in fact, proof, then of course.

The main reason I've chosen to be an atheist is that science and logic are more plausible than merely a book written ages ago. The former I've seen with my own eyes, confirmed with countless experiments, yet the latter, I myself could write my own version given the time.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
sunialpani(214) Disputed
1 point

I am sure, it is one of the defeated atheists, may be Cuaroc now in different name. OK, proof that, the Universe created by its own. You might say, it created by the BigBang. So, let me ask you "What was there before the BigBang?" If your answer would be "no", then how could it be possible to happen something out of nothing? Please explain/prove the existence of the Universe i.e. how it began?

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
1 point

I am sure, it is one of the defeated atheists,

Again how does being banned from your debate equate to defeated.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
Gokumohan(334) Disputed
1 point

If everything needs a creator then the creator needs a creator and the creator of the creator needs a creator, etc.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)

The evidence would have to be incredibly strong. I mean, there is evidence of people being abducted by extra-terrestrials; yet, a majority of the population scoffs at the idea.

There are mountains of geological, biological, and cosmological scientific evidence suggesting the Earth to be billions of years old; yet, there are plenty of people who believe it to be only a few thousand years of age.

I would need a little more than a few "How else do you explain this?" quandaries to convince me, unfortunately.

I would need to see some sort of observable, quantifiable, scientifically valid evidence, the likes of which would surely send shock waves through the scientific community. The kind that usually sees the discoverers awarded with a Nobel Prize.

The kind of philosophic arguments and logical proofs typically offered up as evidence are fun to debate over and all that; but, ultimately, they are not convincing enough. Most of the time they are based on premises and presuppositions that are far too speculative, and not nearly understood well enough to serve as solid foundations of convincing proofs.

So, hard evidence (testable, verifiable)... not soft evidence (philosophical argument) is, I think, what I would require.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
sunialpani(214) Disputed
1 point

...so you want to say that the Universe is created of its own? If the Universe created of its own and science approves it, then I must praise the scientist that, they believe in existence of things out of nothing, as in the case of the Universe.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
1 point

What a fine display of putting your words in someone elses mouth.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
SecuritronX(106) Disputed
1 point

I said no such thing. But, I'll play along anyway.

The first thing we need to square away is what, exactly, you mean by "nothing." I'm going to assume you mean something along the lines of the absence of matter or energy of any kind; and maybe even the absence of empty space itself.

What if I argued that nothingness, in this sense, doesn't exist. That the universe didn't "come from nothing," because there is no such thing as nothing. What if there was always empty space, in which matter and energy could come into existence. And what if, in this empty space, there was a quantum foam or quantum field of some sort which also always existed (and still exists today). A field of virtual particles constantly popping in and out of existence.

The universe could be the result of random fluctuations in this eternally existing quantum field.

The point I was trying to make is that we don't know enough about such things to say with any certainty that the universe could be created in this manner. We also don't know enough to say with any certainty that it could not.

A conclusion can be logically valid, and still be false, if any of the premises are inaccurate. The variables regarding the creation of the universe are not known with any certainty, and so, using them as a foundational premise in an argument either for or against God means you can come to a logically valid conclusion and still be incorrect.

Such arguments aren't good enough evidence for me.

I would require hard data. Testable, measurable, scientifically verifiable evidence.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
Emperor(1348) Banned
4 points

You are wasting your time and ours.

You make a mockery of debate and logic.

You are either mentally insane or a very nasty troll.

I don't know why you are on this website, but it upsets me and I wish you would leave. I am not angry, I just think you are a very negative part of this site, showcasing all the worst qualities a debater can have.

Stop making your rude and hostile debates.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs

This is a debate site, not a site to try to convert people to different relgions.

I am catholic and i believe in God, but i still don't think is it right to bombard people with religious beliefs if they do not want it.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
Cuaroc(8829) Banned
3 points

Looks like you are still being a coward sunial.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
sunialpani(214) Disputed
1 point

Oh, you are the same Cuaroc whom I defeated in all my previous posts? So, why did you call me coward? It is first time I heard a defeated man charging the winner with the word coward. Why are you so furious? It is not that, you will lose to me all the time. Be patient and see that, some day you may also win over me. Though it is impossible to win over me in the topics of Bible or God, I hope, you can win over me in other topics like politics, society etc. Why so disappointed and keeping on using useless words? The Bible says that education is started from home first. So, it seems that, you are brought up in that kind of family. Anyhow, CreateDebate is a platform for you. There are many gentle people here. You have many things to learn from them.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
1 point

Though it is impossible to win over me in the topics of Bible or God,

Yeah it is you ban everyone before they get a chance to.

The Bible says that education is started from home first. So, it seems that, you are brought up in that kind of family

Yep for right i was bought up in a Christain family.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
1 point

How is banning someone from your debates winning?

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)
2 points

Hell no. Not ready to accept? Umm, maybe will never accept. I'll accept religion the day you swallow your own face.

Side: Won't accept even with proofs

HELL NO . NEVER god damn it I MEAN NEVER . WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS A WASTE OF TIME .

Side: Won't accept even with proofs
dkforizzle(175) Disputed
1 point

If intelligence is a persons ability to solve problems and understand reality based on observed information, then you are not intelligent. You refuse to accept a theory even if it has proof? Why do you accept the theories or ideas you do? Because that information is convincing. Shunning an idea even with proofs is pretty much saying that you know for a fact that you are right. Im sorry to tell you but that is impossible. Youre a fucking retard.

Side: Yes (accept it with proofs)