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Debate Score:114
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Are abortions justifiable?

It just came to my mind that this issue require some clarification...

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Side Score: 67
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Side Score: 47
3 points

I think yes, because if you are not ready to have a child, you should make an abortion, other way it will bring only harm to your baby.

Side: yes
2 points

i do not agree with you, yes i can agree with you just in some extend. But parents should always remeber that they are in answer for their children, even if they are pregnant.

Side: yes
3 points

No. A foetus within the first trimester is not a sentient being. It does not have a "self" to speak of because of its inability to feel and reason (note the order). Therefore, an unborn child within the first trimester is not a "child" per se because it is not a personal being.

Side: No
klim07(64) Disputed
2 points

you have to agree with me, it is a reality, you are not living in a fairy tale, that are peoples' mistakes, don't do it if you do not want to charge the consequences.

Side: No
2 points

My point is that abortions are justifiable, the reasons of abortions could be different, for someone abortions is only one way to solve some kind of "special" problems, by making an abortion woman will preserve not only her life but also the life of child...

Side: yes
1 point

by making an abortion woman will preserve not only her life but also the life of child...

Can you please elaborate? How is the life of the child/foetus preserved in the act of an abortion?

Side: yes
2 points

According to the article which i have read, 75 % percent of children who was born after casual sex in future become criminals and of course don't have bright future, so maybe women have to think about making an abortion before giving birth to a child?

Side: yes
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
3 points

Any chance of a link to this article ?

Side: No
Coldfire(1014) Disputed
1 point

This satement screams incredibility. Can you please provide a source to that article? otherwise, I will have to assume that it was made up.

Side: No
2 points

Abortions are justifiable. Like it or not there are very serious situations out there like rape victims, teenage pregnancy, and drug/alcohol abusers that are not capable of taking care of a child and definitely not fit to try and bring the baby to term. Most rape victims are not stable after the fact and then there is a huge reminder of that day growing inside their stomach. A victim could potentially hurt the baby and themselves. Teenagers are not fit to be parents. Some are just not very smart and others don't have the resources or the family to help them get through this troubling time. Drug/Alcohol abusers definitely should not have children. First off they injure the baby in the womb with their harmful substances and then if the baby makes it to term the environment they will have to live in is tragic. Granted, sometimes there is adoption and others do grow up to be great people but the reality of the situation is not every body gets a happy ending.

Side: yes
1 point

I agree that abortions are justifiable in those extreme cases. But is anything justifiable as a whole based on the percentage of the most extreme cases?

I think I would just like to see more responsible behavior beforehand so as to not become pregnant. In cases of accidents and rape, I would certainly support a woman’s decision to abort, but in cases where the pregnancy could have been prevented in the first place, it’s hard for me to see it as justifiable.

So I guess the questions for me are: what percent from the whole of cases are the most extreme such as the ones you mentioned? And what percent from the whole of cases (including the extreme) are preventable before a woman even gets pregnant?

Obviously I don't expect an answer to those questions, I don't think any research done so far has been definitive or even can be. But I firmly believe that if pregnancy is the issue, and prevention is a solution which can be accepted by both sides of the debate, perhaps that is the more justifiable means to reduce the risk of having unwanted pregnancies.

Side: yes

All abortions are justifiable.

No, that's not a crazy thing to say.

Why?

Because all abortions after the beginning of the 6th week of the pregnancy are not abortions.

They are murders.

Meaning that all abortions are justifiable.

Side: yes
Troy8(2431) Disputed
1 point

So just because something isn't murder, it is justifiable?

Side: No
chatturgha(1630) Disputed
1 point

Of course. If abortion is not murder, but abortion, then what else is it? Nothing is wrong unless it harms a conscious organism, which abortion does not do.

Side: yes
1 point

Rape, incest, statutory. Plenty of reasons why it's justified.

Side: yes
2 points

Not all women who get abortions were the victims of rape or were incestuous.

If you take those away, assuming for the sake of argument that those extremes do not happen, would abortion still be justifiable?

Side: yes
1 point

Early term, I don't have anything against it. A fertilized egg is not a living thing, yet. Later terms... Eh, it's a different story.

Side: yes
1 point

They are easily justifiable, the issue is whether the justification is good enough.

(In my opinion most are).

I can understand not wanting to have a child that is a product of rape, or incest, or whose quality of life would be very poor. I can understand not wanting to raise a child in a loving environment, or in an environment that isn't fit for a child.

Side: yes
1 point

hmmm...given that enough people have justified it to the point of it becoming a major issue...AND made it legal....I would sat yes, it does appear to be possible to justify abortion....

Side: yes
1 point

I see preventing pregnancy as a viable option to unwanted pregnancy in a lot of cases. As for the extreme cases where rape is involved, I would consider abortion to be justified if the woman wanted to have one. I would even consider abortion justifiable if preventative actions were taken but failed to do what they were intended, such as a condom breaking, or a woman being that .01 percent of people where birth control fails. Something tells me that these extreme cases are also extremely rare, but I don’t have any evidence, so I don’t rightly know for a fact.

Where I don’t find abortion to be justified is in the cases in which irresponsible behavior was the cause of the pregnancy. For instance, if preventative action was completely ignored, or not done properly (improper use of condoms, missed a dose of birth control by accident.)

Perhaps if prevention was encouraged as much as abortion is in our society, then abortion would be less of an issue from the start, and not as controversial of an issue in which to spark so many debates. Also, if people acted more responsibly, the amount of abortions would naturally decrease which would also reduce the amount of controversy.

It bothers me when people argue for the ‘sanctity of life’ or ‘abortion is murder.’

First of all, what makes life sacred? Considering how horrible and disgusting the human species can be, I would argue the opposite.

And second, murder is specifically defined as unlawful killing of another human. One may argue that a foetus is or is not an actual human (considering its genetic makeup, I personally hold the position that it is human, a human foetus), but one cannot argue that it is murder because it is not illegal. If it were illegal then it would be murder, no doubt, but it is not, and for good reason I might add.

Side: yes
1 point

rather than making the baby having a bad, suffering life (if he is born), a mother should just do abortion. besides, the baby will feel nothing when he's aborted, and yet, no soul has got into the baby's/fetus' body

Side: yes
1 point

Yes definitely. If a teenager gets raped and then gets pregnant she will have no other recourse of action than to get an abortion,and if she cant get an abortion she does one of two things : 1) shell do it herself and scar herself in the process or 2) have the baby ,drop out of high school, and later become a single mother who hates and loves her child at the same time.

I know what your thinking she should just give it up for adoption but the thing is when you give a child up there are certain fees that you half to pay to give the child up ,so if there is a poor teen who gets raped or has unprotected sex they'll either half to get a abortion or have the baby.

Side: yes

The Supreme Court made abortions justifiable with Roe v Wade.

Side: yes
0 points

I think those women who are thinking about abortions are realising what they do, maybe for some of them it is not a situation when they are thinking: make an abortion or not make?

Side: yes
0 points

I think abortion is justifiable. Because People do not want to have many children in our nowadays lifestyle. It is difficult to bring up, for example 10 children, therefor when family have 3 or 4 children, women do abortion.

Side: yes
1 point

I partly agree with you, but we are talking about most of the cases when a teenage girl become pregnant, maybe in such families where they already have 10 children it is necessary to make an abortion

Side: yes
1 point

Are there any alternatives to this behavioral problem in society? Where families, according to you, are making too many babies and feel obligated to have abortions in order to assimilate with the rest of society?

Is there an alternative to abortion when people "do not want to have many children?"

At any rate, I have trouble accepting that that is the reason why people have abortions. Maybe to some degree, but I assume an insignificant one.

Side: yes
UrsusMagnus Disputed
1 point

Maybe thy should have aborted YOU. ........................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Side: No
2 points

my words are an appeal to all who believe that abortion is justified. If I ask you a question you immediately, i think, change your mind. Would you now, if your mother aborted?

You would want this?

Side: No
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
3 points

I wouldn't be here now, if my Mother had, had an abortion. I think therefore your point appeals to the impossible.

Side: yes
klim07(64) Disputed
2 points

My mother loved my father, thus I have appeared. Of corse abortion is killing. But, people make love, without thinking about the consequences.

Side: yes
1 point

I prefer the phrase 'people procreate without thinking about the consequences,' but I agree with your position.

Side: yes
1 point

but many years ago i faced with one sotuation when a girl was raped and became pregnant. I think no one would like to have a child of the person who did that to you. And leave a child who is constantly reminding you of that horrible day it would be inappropriate for you.

That's only in this situation, I agree that abortion is acceptable.

Side: No
1 point

That's not the only cituation... So, you see... It depends on a cituation. So sometimes it is necessary to make an abortion. Huh?

Side: No
debator97(37) Disputed
1 point

so adopt! you cant kill a baby, you cant kill! it would be horrible... you dont even have to raise it jsut give the baby a chance!!!

Side: No
Scapegoat(29) Disputed
1 point

Yes, I wish my mother hadn't had me because she resented me. I think people having kids this day and age are selfish and they're kids are unattended to, and their parents have them to placate their own narcisisstic egos.

Side: No
1 point

From my point of view, abortions are not justifiable, bcause you dont have any rights to kill a baby. If you already have a baby you are to take care of him, but not to kill him. Just imagine it is you, who is going to be killed by his own mother. I think it is not right. I also think, that boys play an important role in this case, as it is they who are to be blamed for such cases.

Side: No
klim07(64) Disputed
3 points

Ok, look. You really like someone, so you had a sex with him/her, you tried to be safe, but, nevertheless, your girlfriend became pregnant. She is not ready to have a child and if she would born him, he'd probably die. Why? Because stupid teenage girls are not prepared to take care of a baby, it takes a lot of responsibility. I know that there are a lot of cases when the girls that are not yet 18 got pregnant, they born a child and everything seems to be okay, but it is not like that.

Side: yes
ricedaragh(2494) Disputed
4 points

he'd probably die. Why? Because stupid teenage girls are not prepared to take care of a baby,

Firstly Fathers have just as much responsibility to their children as Mothers.

Millions of people have been born to teenage mothers and lived, what are the figures to the contrary? You've just gone and over-generalized an entire age group and accused them of incompetency, with out any knowledge, of that on which you comment.

I know that there are a lot of cases when the girls that are not yet 18 got pregnant, they born a child and everything seems to be okay, but it is not like that.

I think you'll find it is like that. The major risk associated with teenagers having children is in development of the child, this I would assume is more to do with where in society teenagers are placed rather than just being teenagers, infant mortality rates in the developed world are falling steadily each year, as teenage pregnancies rise, that would be an inverse proportionality, no?

I do support peoples' right to have the facilities to abort pregnancies, but your reasoning is unsound and socio-demographically biased

Side: yes
Coldfire(1014) Disputed
3 points

Because stupid teenage girls are not prepared to take care of a baby, it takes a lot of responsibility. I know that there are a lot of cases when the girls that are not yet 18 got pregnant, they born a child and everything seems to be okay, but it is not like that.

lol, tell that to the young women earlier than just 150 years ago. Having a child before they were even 15 at times, was the norm and they did a damn good job given the fact that we had less medical advances, the mortality rate was much higher, and the species still survived.

My grandma was married at the age of 13 to an 18 year old farmer, and she said that that was actually VERY common practice back then because girls were encouraged to start having children (the more the better was the idea back then, especially considering the mortality rate was so high) and it was not good for children to be born out of wedlock.

Side: No
1 point

Abortion is a bad thing, it is equal to a murder, i think. Firstly, mother have no right to deprive she's child's life. Secondly, she must think about birth control (protection) before sex. I think, stupidity of the mother should not affect on child.

Side: No
2 points

I agree with your last point, where you said "she must think about birth control (protection) before sex. I think stupidity of the mother should not affect on child." I find that the solution of preventing pregnancy before the issue of abortion even develops to be consistently overlooked by many people.

As for the first thing you said ("abortion is a bad thing, it is equal to murder") I have to disagree. First because what is morally 'good' or 'bad' is subjective, and second because murder is defined specifically as unlawful killing, and abortion is a legal practice. It is killing, yes, but it is not unlawful killing, so it is not murder.

Side: No
klim07(64) Disputed
1 point

But it does. I mean stupidity... If they did not want to give a birth, they should have eat some pills that would prevent childs appearence.

Side: yes
Daniyar888(23) Disputed
1 point

I understand your point, but i want to argue with you, for example if mother could't give to a child good level of education, or even upbringing, i'm sure that mother have to make abortion in order to prevent unhappy life of her child

Side: No
natalie(2) Disputed
1 point

What a person does with their body is their own business. A child is not a child until it is born. The theory in which people consider abortions murder came from the church. The church believes when two people conceive that it is a life of it's own. Scientifically it's practically an additional organ in a humans' body until it is removed. In the constitution it states that the church and government are to be separate. It should not be of anybody else's concern what one individual does with their body. Everyone has their own ways and beliefs. We follow our own paths in life not each others. So if you don't like abortions don't get one.

Side: yes
1 point

Is killing justifiable? just because the baby isnt born yet doesnt make it right! Countless women wish they had a baby, and tthey cant have one, and you are willing to kill your baby?!?!? Even if you dont want a miracle, give that baby away, adopt. Most of the time it is your fault for being slutty... even if it isnt, even if you are raped, if you feel you arent ready to have this baby, does that mean you kill it? No! When you hate a person is it JUSTIFIABLE to kill them? of course not!!!

Side: No
einhander(19) Disputed
1 point

Yes, killing is justifiable. People justify it all the time.

Shoot people in wars >> they are the enemy

Shoot at criminals >> they are dangerous

Abortion:

1. To save the mother's life, if necessary.

2. To improve the society's average human value.

3. To remove a possible drain to its community ( female babies in asian cultures )

There are lots of other examples of children being exploited, removed or suppressed after they are born too. do you wan't them?

As soon as you blamed someone for being slutty, i've totally lost respect for your position. Do not pretend to show compassion for the unborn baby when you don't show any to your fellow humans.

You don't have that right.

Side: yes
debator97(37) Disputed
1 point

Killing can be justifiable sometimes IF NECESSARRY. however, abortions arent necesarry

i agree with you about saving mothers life, but that situation is so rare!

as for the others, read what i said before!

i blamed someone for being slutty because they were! i show respect to my human who deserve respect. people who run to the bed and have sex without protection dont deserve respect.

and as for not having that right, i have just as much right as you. whereas i dont have compassion for sluts, YOU dont have compassion for murdering babies.

Side: No
1 point

You are absolutely right, there is many circumstances where it is the best option, I should know me and my girlfriend had to make this decision our selves. It would have hurt her badly to have the child (she's 17 but has a few health issues) so we went with abortion. As for saying it is murder, they remove the fetus before it has a mind, it yet to be alive and human. It is at the time part of the mother there for is just removing part of the mother. I know this sounds cold but you wonder why they don't let abortions happen after 12 weeks max, because it has become aware. As well as it would hurt the female. As for calling people like and my girlfriend stupid and slutty, we are just as human as you and we love each other excuse me for wanting to physically show that to her and for protection try looking at how much that cost especially if you do it quite frequently like us,at five dollars for only six condoms which are gone overnight and only one currently managing a job the other in school for further education it gets expensive. She couldn't have the pill because of it's side effects. Thankfully she has got one of the new arm thing's that last for 3 years with out any thing else being done as well as being 99.99 percent effective. But that was offered by the abortion agency. It isn't murder, it is a hard choice with many reasons behind it but I don't like those who do exploit the service just to continue having sex.

Side: yes
natalie(2) Disputed
1 point

Every time a woman gives birth it takes away from their lifespan. I don't think rape victims are willing to take this cost when something has been taken from them. What other women want isn't anybody else's responsibility.

Side: yes
debator97(37) Disputed
2 points

its not their responsibility, but at the same time it is their duty. to do the right thing. its not so much about what other women want, that is just an alternative. its more about what is wrong. it is WRONG to kill

Side: No
1 point

I see preventing pregnancy as a viable option to unwanted pregnancy in a lot of cases. As for the extreme cases where rape is involved, I would consider abortion to be justified if the woman wanted to have one. I would even consider abortion justifiable if preventative actions were taken but failed to do what they were intended, such as a condom breaking, or a woman being that .01 percent of people where birth control fails. Something tells me that these extreme cases are also extremely rare, but I don’t have any evidence, so I don’t rightly know for a fact.

Where I don’t find abortion to be justified is in the cases in which irresponsible behavior was the cause of the pregnancy. For instance, if preventative action was completely ignored, or not done properly (improper use of condoms, missed a dose of birth control by accident.)

Perhaps if prevention was encouraged as much as abortion is in our society, then abortion would be less of an issue from the start, and not as controversial of an issue in which to spark so many debates. Also, if people acted more responsibly, the amount of abortions would naturally decrease which would also reduce the amount of controversy.

It bothers me when people argue for the ‘sanctity of life’ or ‘abortion is murder.’

First of all, what makes life sacred? Considering how horrible and disgusting the human species can be, I would argue the opposite.

And second, murder is specifically defined as unlawful killing of another human. One may argue that a foetus is or is not an actual human (considering its genetic makeup, I personally hold the position that it is human, a human foetus), but one cannot argue that it is murder because it is not illegal. If it were illegal then it would be murder, no doubt, but it is not, and for good reason I might add.

Side: No
UrsusMagnus Disputed
1 point

Just because something has been made "law" doesn't make it right.

Side: yes
1 point

Just because something has been made "law" doesn't make it right.

I agree.

What is it exactly that you are disputing me on?

Side: yes
1 point

My point is that abortions are justifiable, the reasons of abortions could be different, for someone abortions is only one way to solve some kind of "special" problems, by making an abortion woman will preserve not only her life but also the life of child...

Side: No
1 point

Abortion is MURDER. And here for the character commies............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

Side: No
1 point

Only if you consider "convenience" a valid justification for ending the life of another, because that's what 98% of abortions (rounding down) amount to.

Side: No
0 points

anyway people who have an abort kill a little man inside of them, and at the reality it is real murder.

Side: No
Daniyar888(23) Disputed
1 point

Anyway i think it'll be better if you kill baby, because this child will never be happy like other children, this child will have a lot of problems in future

Side: yes
1 point

I totally agree with you, we can't deny that fact that the baby can be born with some deviations :(

Side: yes
1 point

No. An unborn baby within the first trimester is not equal to a person because a person is a sentient being, which refers to a being with an ability to feel and reason (note the order). Since within the first trimester the brain has not been formed, the baby has no ability to feel and reason and therefore, an unborn baby within the first trimester is not conscious and is not a sentient being. On the other hand, I have not seen you put forth any positive arguments against abortions.

Side: yes