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Yes, they are fake/staged No, they are not fake/staged
Debate Score:114
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Are all these mass shootings fake/staged?

I've seen a lot of discussion regarding this topic and I've also seen the news media trying to dispute the "conspiracy theories" so I figure this could be a good debate topic and I'm curious what you all think.

Yes, they are fake/staged

Side Score: 53
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No, they are not fake/staged

Side Score: 61

I think it’s possible they were staged. I mean the Holocaust was at least HUGELY EXAGGERATED- and that which has never even been explained mathematically possible is accepted as history.

The one that really seems FISHY to me is VEGAS?!?! Vegas makes no sense at all that one OLD DUDE did that many kills.

what about 911?!

People think I’m crazy just because I question things.. if anyone wants to message me I can provide plenty of information on the HoloHoax..

I really think we are at a TURN in history

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
1 point

I saw this kid make believe he was shot and lay down to pretend he was dead. He was so committed to the ruse that they buried him ;)

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
0 points

They are all faked. Anyone with eyes and a brain could see that Sandy Hook was fake.

With the Florida school shooting, the shooter vanished into the crowd of kids and "was found somewhere away from the school". The FBI "knew about him", but didn't nail him? The victims' bodies were "still in the school" well after the fact. Yeah right.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Dermot(5451) Disputed
3 points

They are all faked. Anyone with eyes and a brain could see that Sandy Hook was fake.

Obviously you are the possesser of neither of these bodily parts

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
0 points

I really don't understand why the comments that are just rude and without logic and don't go anywhere beyond insults are upvoted. This is a debate website. You should be ashamed to even post this and whoever upvoted should be ashamed too. There is no logic in your statement and is nothing more than a schoolyard insult.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Rick_Zeta5A(357) Disputed
1 point

This is seriously the first point you want to make on a debate site with your fellow humans, are you 12 years old, are you an idiot?

Why don’t you just post Flat earther club meeting at 7.

This is a legitimate argument, no?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Cocopops(343) Clarified
1 point

The idea of trying to make a debate out of such recent human tragedy could only have been spawned in a sick mind.

This site never fails to surprise me as to how low people will stroop for a bit of cheap sensationalism.

This person should apologise for his ill-conceived and thoughtless debate topic and withdraw it immediately before the ''mutants'' get their teeth into it.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
-1 points

Okay I did not see you appeal to any sort of logic in your dispute. You called him a 12 year old and an idiot, which proves nothing, then took a separate issue all together that has nothing to do with the debate topic, presumed his beliefs and assumed that just because he has that belief, all his other beliefs are wrong. I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't it's sad, if you are joking that's pretty funny actually hahaha.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
1 point

Edit: Sorry I didn't mean to dispute I meant to support.

I agree. If you just look at them and ask questions they fall apart into ashes. I made a 20 minute long video explaining all the details in the Vegas shooting that don't make sense but of course it got removed for "hate speech" which to me is unquestionably censorship. It's sickening.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
0 points

False flag refers to covert operations designed to deceive; the deception creates the appearance of a particular party (group or nation) being responsible for some activity, disguising the actual source of responsibility.

The term today extends beyond naval encounters to include countries that organize attacks on themselves and make the attacks appear to be by enemy nations or terrorists, thus giving the nation that was supposedly attacked a pretext for domestic repression and foreign military aggression.

Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, can (by extension) also be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

Admitted past false flags by government-

https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ever-growing-list-of-admitted-false- flag-attacks/5578473

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.globalresearch.ca/53-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5432931/amp

https://medium.com/@caityjohnstone/never-forget-the-us-government-has-a-known-history-of-using-false-flags-1e08d6543d0c

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
0 points

On October 10, 1990 a 15 year-old girl known only as Nayirah testified before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus about the horrors that Iraqi troops were inflicting upon the people of Kuwait. Her testimony that hundreds of babies had been taken out of their incubators and left to die on hospital floors was repeated as fact by Amnesty International, the mass media, numerous senators, and President H. W. Bush, tugging at the heartstrings of America and manufacturing support for American action in the Gulf War.

It was a lie. Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, and her TV-friendly “removing babies from incubators” testimony was false. It never happened.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
NumberOne(443) Disputed
1 point

It was a lie. Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, and her TV-friendly “removing babies from incubators” testimony was false. It never happened.

This is absolutely true, but it is also true that you are using it to create a guilt-by-association fallacy with an entirely different series of events, for which you have no material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been faked. You want to believe that mass shootings have been faked because you are a gun fanatic. When it comes to events for which there is much material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been false flags or cover ups (the most notable of which being 9/11), you are generally uninterested because the perpetrators implicated are usually on the far right wing.

You selectively omit all the evidence which does not suit you, and you grossly exaggerate all the evidence which does. I find this to be typical of the right.

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Dermot(5451) Disputed
1 point

When it comes to events for which there is much material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been false flags or cover ups (the most notable of which being 9/11)

😂😂😂 Why not just shut up you raging lunatic you get nuttier by the minute 🤪🤪🤪🤪

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
1 point

And on a final note I'd like to say that I lick my ass and tickle my balls. Just thought I'd put that out there.

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
DMX2(1) Disputed
1 point

You selectively omit all the evidence which does not suit you, and you grossly exaggerate all the evidence which does

Could be like Democrats do with 9/11.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
5 points

Are all these mass shootings fake/staged?

What would that even mean? As in, you think they were paid to carry out a serial murder suicide mission? Or, what is the nature of the question exactly?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
1 point

I believe that they are staged to gain support for gun control. I'm honestly not even sure that people have died. I think the deaths could possibly be faked. I've written quite a bit in reply to other arguments on here so I'm not going to explain a ton, but here is an example video that makes no sense at all if we assume that they are real events and the US news stations are telling the truth. She states that she was walking with the shooter and he wasn't shooting, and that she heard gunshots elsewhere and that she saw no one injured https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
xMathFanx(1742) Disputed
5 points

@Brylos

When do you think 'they' started 'faking it'? Also, who is 'they'?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
KJVPrewrath(979) Disputed
1 point

Guns are murder. You are not a military person and you are mentally unfit, so you DON"T have the right to own a gun. I don't believe in guns.................................................................

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
2 points

This nation has Hollywood and all their writers and visuals. If someone had a strategy to stage mass shootings and/or fake news about mass shootings (for whatever purpose) don't you think they could do a better job of it? And don't you think it would be spread more strategically and incorporate more villains than angry teens?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
1 point

Look I'm gonna link you some videos and I want you to explain to me how they make any sense:

https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day

https://youtu.be/peTS6KBK7HI

How do you explain why this girl is laughing when describing being present at the shooting?

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

How do you explain this girl saying she saw a teacher get shot in the arm and head but seems unphased?

https://youtu.be/MMIAc7dJKXo

How do you explain this horrible acting? Her daughter apparently died. She does not seem like a mother whose daughter just died.

https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY

How do you explain this dude apparently crying but having no tears and sounding and looking nothing like a person who is crying?

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Grenache(6103) Clarified
1 point

I don't know.

But your first link says removed for being offensive, meaning it fell prey to the new filters applying to social media to try to scrub some of the fake stuff out.

The smile video isn't much of a smile at all, you've just got a nervous kid lucky to be alive and now getting to be on TV.

I don't know about the laughing but it's not uncommon at all for people under stress to laugh. It would take no time to find links to psychological studies on that.

The fake crying probably is fake crying, but that's also because media personalities and talking heads do that type of sh!t all the time. Yes, it's a cheap trick, no it's not proof of conspiracy, it's just a tool trying to get ratings or more speaking gigs.

Again, I don't know, but I didn't find this spread of videos compelling. In fact I find it suspicious that someone had that whole lineup ready to paste in to this site, almost like it was plucked from a conservative site somewhere, or by a Russian troll farm.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
2 points

A mass shooting is when 4 people are killed at once with a gun. I think it is unlikely that this is an impossible situation and doesn't require being staged to occur.

Whether any mass shootings are faked? I suppose we just don't know as you could always say 'what if'.

Maybe you're fishing for hypocrisy at people's lowest moments, but it's very insensitive of you to post this. You're an asshole.

On the other hand, it is sad that mass shootings, defined by killing an arbitrary amount of people, is what gets popularly recognised today, for a little while. Day to day gun deaths which make up the big picture are largely overlooked. Read somewhere that mass shootings make up 2% of gun deaths.

Side: No, they are not fake/staged

Prove that they are..............................................................................................................................................................................

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
1 point

https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0

How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day

https://youtu.be/peTS6KBK7HI

How do you explain why this girl is laughing when describing being present at the shooting?

https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY

How do you explain this girl saying she saw a teacher get shot in the arm and head but seems unphased?

https://youtu.be/MMIAc7dJKXo

How do you explain this horrible acting? Her daughter apparently died. She does not seem like a mother whose daughter just died.

https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY

How do you explain this dude apparently crying but having no tears and sounding and looking nothing like a person who is crying?

https://youtu.be/2ih-oJofpEE

How do you explain that people who are discussing it and it's legitimacy are being told they can't discuss it?

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
KJVPrewrath(979) Disputed
1 point

Fucking conspiracy nut. Don't waste my time with your fake ass videos..........................................................

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
1 point

Are all these mass shootings fake/staged?

This Thread belongs on an InfoWars Forum--not here.

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
-1 points

Are all these mass shootings fake/staged?

For what reason would they be “ staged “ ?

Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?

If so why , for what purpose ?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged
Brylos(65) Disputed
3 points

"For what reason would they be “ staged “ ?"

Well if you look at all the news media, all of them frame the story through gun control. All of them get "survivors" of the shootings to talk about gun control and just push the agenda of it so that is a possible motive. Another one that is less obvious which was talked about a lot more with the Vegas shooting as far as motive goes, is that the agenda would be to get a bill passed requiring metal detectors in casinos particularly and a lot of other places to generate shit tons of money for a company called ISO systems that produces metal detectors.

"Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?"

The "shooters" are scapegoats. The government has something to gain from the shootings which is gun control which makes the public weak, and fear/propaganda which makes them docile and obedient. The news corporations are obviously in on it as well considering they are the ones telling the story to the public. They don't have as much to gain, but views generate money and probably get some bonus from whoever is collaborating with them to pull off the staged shootings. Another possibility is corporations who produce metal detectors gaining lots of money from bills being passed to require metal detectors in lots of places.

Either way, I really don't think asking "why?" is the most important thing at this time. It is important, but only after it is confirmed that they are in fact faked. News corporations have been confirmed to fake news stories in the past, it's just that they're taking it to another level with these shootings. Government and private corporations can be extremely corrupt as well and their history shows that this isn't that inconsistent with their behavior.

We need to ask questions about the events and the stories of them and see if they make sense. A lot of them don't.

Side: Yes, they are fake/staged
Dermot(5451) Disputed
0 points

Well if you look at all the news media, all of them frame the story through gun control.

Not in any country outside the U S , where is your evidence for this claim ?

All of them get "survivors" of the shootings to talk about gun control and just push the agenda of it so that is a possible motive.

Again an unsubstantiated claim , evidence ?

Another one that is less obvious which was talked about a lot more with the Vegas shooting as far as motive goes, is that the agenda would be to get a bill passed requiring metal detectors in casinos particularly and a lot of other places to generate shit tons of money for a company called ISO systems that produces metal detectors.

So a company called ISO are complicit in this “ scheme “ ,again your evidence?

"Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?"

The "shooters" are scapegoats.

You know this how ?

The government has something to gain from the shootings which is gun control which makes the public weak, and fear/propaganda which makes them docile and obedient

So shootings take place to get people riled up about gun control do drug dealers use the same tactic pushing drugs to get people talking about drug control ?

If not why not ?

. The news corporations are obviously in on it as well considering they are the ones telling the story to the public.

That smacks of paranoia , tell me what about the news you get where do you get it from ?

They don't have as much to gain, but views generate money and probably get some bonus from whoever is collaborating with them to pull off the staged shootings

Again evidence please ?

.Another possibility is corporations who produce metal detectors gaining lots of money from bills being passed to require metal detectors in lots of places.

Evidence ?

Either way, I really don't think asking "why is the most important thing at this time.

I know , I disagree it’s a fundamental question you’ve yet to address , why’s that ?

It is important, but only after it is confirmed that they are in fact faked.

Well you need what you haven’t got for that don’t you . ......evidence

News corporations have been confirmed to fake news stories in the past, it's just that they're taking it to another level with these shootings.

Except the “ corporation you listen to off course

Government and private corporations can be extremely corrupt as well and their history shows that this isn't that inconsistent with their behavior.

Yes they can , still not proof of what you’re claiming

We need to ask questions about the events and the stories of them and see if they make sense. A lot of them don't.

But you said asking why is not important now it appears it is ., why’s that ?

Side: No, they are not fake/staged