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Are all these mass shootings fake/staged?
I've seen a lot of discussion regarding this topic and I've also seen the news media trying to dispute the "conspiracy theories" so I figure this could be a good debate topic and I'm curious what you all think.
I think it’s possible they were staged. I mean the Holocaust was at least HUGELY EXAGGERATED- and that which has never even been explained mathematically possible is accepted as history.
The one that really seems FISHY to me is VEGAS?!?! Vegas makes no sense at all that one OLD DUDE did that many kills.
what about 911?!
People think I’m crazy just because I question things.. if anyone wants to message me I can provide plenty of information on the HoloHoax..
Absolutely FAKED. The best evidence of this is one of the fathers of a 4 year old girl laughing his ass off 20 seconds before giving a speech less than 12 hours after the FAKE mass killing in Sandy Hook. Robbie Parker. Watch this and you'll never question again.
They are all faked. Anyone with eyes and a brain could see that Sandy Hook was fake.
With the Florida school shooting, the shooter vanished into the crowd of kids and "was found somewhere away from the school". The FBI "knew about him", but didn't nail him? The victims' bodies were "still in the school" well after the fact. Yeah right.
I really don't understand why the comments that are just rude and without logic and don't go anywhere beyond insults are upvoted. This is a debate website. You should be ashamed to even post this and whoever upvoted should be ashamed too. There is no logic in your statement and is nothing more than a schoolyard insult.
Edit: Sorry I didn't mean to dispute I meant to support.
I agree. If you just look at them and ask questions they fall apart into ashes. I made a 20 minute long video explaining all the details in the Vegas shooting that don't make sense but of course it got removed for "hate speech" which to me is unquestionably censorship. It's sickening.
The idea of trying to make a debate out of such recent human tragedy could only have been spawned in a sick mind.
This site never fails to surprise me as to how low people will stroop for a bit of cheap sensationalism.
This person should apologise for his ill-conceived and thoughtless debate topic and withdraw it immediately before the ''mutants'' get their teeth into it.
All you're doing is appealing to emotions not logic at all. I question things so I must want sensationalism? There are lots of things that don't make sense at all in many shooting but you sit there on your high horse acting as if questioning isn't neccecary and in fact wrong to do with shootings. Give me a logical argument why they are not faked, not some stupidity about emotions with no logic. I will not apologize.
Okay I did not see you appeal to any sort of logic in your dispute. You called him a 12 year old and an idiot, which proves nothing, then took a separate issue all together that has nothing to do with the debate topic, presumed his beliefs and assumed that just because he has that belief, all his other beliefs are wrong. I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not. If you aren't it's sad, if you are joking that's pretty funny actually hahaha.
False flag refers to covert operations designed to deceive; the deception creates the appearance of a particular party (group or nation) being responsible for some activity, disguising the actual source of responsibility.
The term today extends beyond naval encounters to include countries that organize attacks on themselves and make the attacks appear to be by enemy nations or terrorists, thus giving the nation that was supposedly attacked a pretext for domestic repression and foreign military aggression.
Operations carried out during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, can (by extension) also be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.
On October 10, 1990 a 15 year-old girl known only as Nayirah testified before the Congressional Human Rights Caucus about the horrors that Iraqi troops were inflicting upon the people of Kuwait. Her testimony that hundreds of babies had been taken out of their incubators and left to die on hospital floors was repeated as fact by Amnesty International, the mass media, numerous senators, and President H. W. Bush, tugging at the heartstrings of America and manufacturing support for American action in the Gulf War.
It was a lie. Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, and her TV-friendly “removing babies from incubators” testimony was false. It never happened.
It was a lie. Nayirah was in fact the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador to the US, and her TV-friendly “removing babies from incubators” testimony was false. It never happened.
This is absolutely true, but it is also true that you are using it to create a guilt-by-association fallacy with an entirely different series of events, for which you have no material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been faked. You want to believe that mass shootings have been faked because you are a gun fanatic. When it comes to events for which there is much material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been false flags or cover ups (the most notable of which being 9/11), you are generally uninterested because the perpetrators implicated are usually on the far right wing.
You selectively omit all the evidence which does not suit you, and you grossly exaggerate all the evidence which does. I find this to be typical of the right.
When it comes to events for which there is much material evidence to support the conclusion that they have been false flags or cover ups (the most notable of which being 9/11)
😂😂😂 Why not just shut up you raging lunatic you get nuttier by the minute 🤪🤪🤪🤪
What would that even mean? As in, you think they were paid to carry out a serial murder suicide mission? Or, what is the nature of the question exactly?
I believe that they are staged to gain support for gun control. I'm honestly not even sure that people have died. I think the deaths could possibly be faked. I've written quite a bit in reply to other arguments on here so I'm not going to explain a ton, but here is an example video that makes no sense at all if we assume that they are real events and the US news stations are telling the truth. She states that she was walking with the shooter and he wasn't shooting, and that she heard gunshots elsewhere and that she saw no one injured https://youtu.be/sovQno-1Tw0
I fully agree!! There's hundreds of hours of footage showing these people laughing while being interviewed right afterwards; video proving that some of the parents of "so called" dead children were also playing the role of fake F.B.I. agents as well. And then when they did a background check on real estate in Sandy Hook they noticed that every house in the entire city was paid for in cash on Christmas day two years before the actual hoax. Undeniable evidence. And.. if you pay attention you'll notice every shooting is coded with gematria and free-mason signs and symbols like the number 33, everyone's names ending with SON (ex: JOHNSON) or the word MAN like (ex: MANSON). A lot of clear evidence which explains why there working overtime with the corona non-sense to steal our 1st amendment rights so no one can stand to fight anymore.
Guns are murder. You are not a military person and you are mentally unfit, so you DON"T have the right to own a gun. I don't believe in guns.................................................................
No, actually, guns aren't murder. Guns are not sentient, they cannot make any decisions. As far as not having a right to a gun, in the United States the Second Amendment guarantees citizens the right to bear arms.
Going into the mentally unfit thing, it turns out that the mentally ill have only been 22% of all mass shooters in America.
It is murder to shoot someone. You have no right to whine that abortion is murder when you support shooting people..............................................
You have no right to whine that abortion is murder when you support shooting people
Who said I support shooting people? In case you're confused, I support the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment gives Americans the right to own guns, not the right to murder people with guns.
It is murder to shoot someone.
Well not really, bullets don't automatically kill whatever they touch. But, what's your point? I said that guns do not kill people, I did not say that shooting someone isn't murder or attempted murder.
No, we don't. Saying those who support guns support shooting people is like saying people who want to learn how to speak German want America to become fascist. There's zero correlation between these things.
This nation has Hollywood and all their writers and visuals. If someone had a strategy to stage mass shootings and/or fake news about mass shootings (for whatever purpose) don't you think they could do a better job of it? And don't you think it would be spread more strategically and incorporate more villains than angry teens?
How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day
But your first link says removed for being offensive, meaning it fell prey to the new filters applying to social media to try to scrub some of the fake stuff out.
The smile video isn't much of a smile at all, you've just got a nervous kid lucky to be alive and now getting to be on TV.
I don't know about the laughing but it's not uncommon at all for people under stress to laugh. It would take no time to find links to psychological studies on that.
The fake crying probably is fake crying, but that's also because media personalities and talking heads do that type of sh!t all the time. Yes, it's a cheap trick, no it's not proof of conspiracy, it's just a tool trying to get ratings or more speaking gigs.
Again, I don't know, but I didn't find this spread of videos compelling. In fact I find it suspicious that someone had that whole lineup ready to paste in to this site, almost like it was plucked from a conservative site somewhere, or by a Russian troll farm.
See while those explanations work for 1 time things, these constantly repeat themselves. It was the exact same thing with the vegas shooting. And I just found another video talking about how at a school, if you're caught discussing the shooting, the police will be called https://youtu.be/2ih-oJofpEE How is that not blatant censorship?
I can absolutely believe there is media manipulation going on.
And it's going on from multiple sides.
By the way, WTF is this freaky editing you're tossing our way. Looks like subliminal advertising mixed with hypnosis techniques. You think that lends credibility to you? Get lost. This is some heavily edited cr@p you're linking up.
The video, fool. An American flag lighting in segments timed to the woman’s recording with occasional image flashes and piece together editing. That video link stinks of trickery.
How about the worlds greatest Carver! The man who did the autopsies... LOL! Give me a break! Even the police are laughing there asses off while he's talking.
A mass shooting is when 4 people are killed at once with a gun. I think it is unlikely that this is an impossible situation and doesn't require being staged to occur.
Whether any mass shootings are faked? I suppose we just don't know as you could always say 'what if'.
Maybe you're fishing for hypocrisy at people's lowest moments, but it's very insensitive of you to post this. You're an asshole.
On the other hand, it is sad that mass shootings, defined by killing an arbitrary amount of people, is what gets popularly recognised today, for a little while. Day to day gun deaths which make up the big picture are largely overlooked. Read somewhere that mass shootings make up 2% of gun deaths.
Prove that they are..............................................................................................................................................................................
How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day
You're over here with a shill screen name like KJV for the KJV bible and your talking like a liberal trying to cover for your Hero's child rape problem while he was a standing US president. Am I making sense?
Boohoo all that is is an appeal to emotions not logic. This is a debate website. In debates logic is what is used to win. All you've done is appeal to emotions and provide no logic.
I really don't care. All I've done is discuss a topic and you've gotten butthurt because I'm questioning something you're too afraid to question. All you're doing is appealing to emotions. This is a debate website where you're gonna hear things you don't like to hear. That's the point of debate. Facing opposing ideas to get to the truth.
You're so stupid. I don't care that you reported me. Is it fun being so emotional? I would imagine it's terrible and confusing. Use some logic and not emotions to argue? Wth are you doing on a debate website if you don't want to hear opposing viewpoints? Seriously wtf are you doing here?
Say what? I've noticed all your answers are so short they need to have periods to extend the length. It's almost like you're not actually engaging in debate.
Well if you look at all the news media, all of them frame the story through gun control. All of them get "survivors" of the shootings to talk about gun control and just push the agenda of it so that is a possible motive. Another one that is less obvious which was talked about a lot more with the Vegas shooting as far as motive goes, is that the agenda would be to get a bill passed requiring metal detectors in casinos particularly and a lot of other places to generate shit tons of money for a company called ISO systems that produces metal detectors.
"Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?"
The "shooters" are scapegoats. The government has something to gain from the shootings which is gun control which makes the public weak, and fear/propaganda which makes them docile and obedient. The news corporations are obviously in on it as well considering they are the ones telling the story to the public. They don't have as much to gain, but views generate money and probably get some bonus from whoever is collaborating with them to pull off the staged shootings. Another possibility is corporations who produce metal detectors gaining lots of money from bills being passed to require metal detectors in lots of places.
Either way, I really don't think asking "why?" is the most important thing at this time. It is important, but only after it is confirmed that they are in fact faked. News corporations have been confirmed to fake news stories in the past, it's just that they're taking it to another level with these shootings. Government and private corporations can be extremely corrupt as well and their history shows that this isn't that inconsistent with their behavior.
We need to ask questions about the events and the stories of them and see if they make sense. A lot of them don't.
Well if you look at all the news media, all of them frame the story through gun control.
Not in any country outside the U S , where is your evidence for this claim ?
All of them get "survivors" of the shootings to talk about gun control and just push the agenda of it so that is a possible motive.
Again an unsubstantiated claim , evidence ?
Another one that is less obvious which was talked about a lot more with the Vegas shooting as far as motive goes, is that the agenda would be to get a bill passed requiring metal detectors in casinos particularly and a lot of other places to generate shit tons of money for a company called ISO systems that produces metal detectors.
So a company called ISO are complicit in this “ scheme “ ,again your evidence?
"Are all mass shooters involved together in agreeing to “stage “ shootings ?"
The "shooters" are scapegoats.
You know this how ?
The government has something to gain from the shootings which is gun control which makes the public weak, and fear/propaganda which makes them docile and obedient
So shootings take place to get people riled up about gun control do drug dealers use the same tactic pushing drugs to get people talking about drug control ?
If not why not ?
. The news corporations are obviously in on it as well considering they are the ones telling the story to the public.
That smacks of paranoia , tell me what about the news you get where do you get it from ?
They don't have as much to gain, but views generate money and probably get some bonus from whoever is collaborating with them to pull off the staged shootings
Again evidence please ?
.Another possibility is corporations who produce metal detectors gaining lots of money from bills being passed to require metal detectors in lots of places.
Evidence ?
Either way, I really don't think asking "why is the most important thing at this time.
I know , I disagree it’s a fundamental question you’ve yet to address , why’s that ?
It is important, but only after it is confirmed that they are in fact faked.
Well you need what you haven’t got for that don’t you . ......evidence
News corporations have been confirmed to fake news stories in the past, it's just that they're taking it to another level with these shootings.
Except the “ corporation you listen to off course
Government and private corporations can be extremely corrupt as well and their history shows that this isn't that inconsistent with their behavior.
Yes they can , still not proof of what you’re claiming
We need to ask questions about the events and the stories of them and see if they make sense. A lot of them don't.
But you said asking why is not important now it appears it is ., why’s that ?
With this video the first one is definitely fake, but the second one does not seem fake she reveals info that is inconsistent with the main stream story and generally doesn't seem like shes acting. Also note that she smiles at some points in the video. Seems odd for someone who witness a mass shooting the same day. It was a pain in the ass to even find these videos as they've been removed from youtube a lot.
Here's a bonus one of more bad acting: [https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY]
"So a company called ISO are complicit in this “ scheme “ ,again your evidence?"
I don't have evidence for this one. I did have a link back when the Vegas shooting happened. In fact a guy predicted the Vegas shooting like 3 weeks early stating that ISO systems would be the ones to gain from it but I don't have the link now.
"You know this how ?"
It is implicit that the shooters are scapegoats if the shootings are faked. The evidence for that lies in all other evidence if they are in fact faked.
"So shootings take place to get people riled up about gun control do drug dealers use the same tactic pushing drugs to get people talking about drug control ?
If not why not ?"
I have no idea what you even mean by this.
"That smacks of paranoia , tell me what about the news you get where do you get it from ?"
All the major ones in the US. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. Their youtube channels all have lots of videos about the shooting all of which are biased and push the agenda of gun control.
By your logic of me needing so much evidence to prove it was faked, I can use the same argument to say it was faked. You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is. If you want to prove they aren't faked you need to provide evidence that says they weren't. All the information you're getting is just from what the news is saying. There are details that make these shootings not make sense. For example, in the parkland shooting, a student was walking with the alleged shooter during the shooting. https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY?t=138 Another example is that in the vegas shooting lots of people said that the gunshots were fake https://youtu.be/3rFsc69jfM and also that people couldn't see anyone injured out of the supposed 58 dead and 500 something injured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArmCkZFv2Q These are just 3 details that don't make sense. If you do some research yourself you will see that there are many more but I'm not gonna go search for endless amounts of evidence that you will probably dispute anyway. If you're genuinely curious do some searching for yourself.
You tube videos that your “ evidence “ please ......
With this video the first one is definitely fake,
So why not the second one ?
but the second one does not seem fake she reveals info that is inconsistent with the main stream story and generally doesn't seem like shes acting.
In your opinion , hardly “groundbreaking “ evidence is it ?
Also note that she smiles at some points in the video. Seems odd for someone who witness a mass shooting the same day. It was a pain in the ass to even find these videos as they've been removed from youtube a lot.
Here's a bonus one of more bad acting: [https://youtu.be/BG0a04PX-zY]
Utter bullshit
So a company called ISO are complicit in this “ scheme “ ,again your evidence?"
I don't have evidence for this one.
I know like all your claims
I did have a link back when the Vegas shooting happened. In fact a guy predicted the Vegas shooting like 3 weeks early stating that ISO systems would be the ones to gain from it but I don't have the link now.
How surprising
"You know this how ?"
It is implicit that the shooters are scapegoats if the shootings are faked.
If you still have provided no evidence
The evidence for that lies in all other evidence if they are in fact faked.
I’m still waiting for evidence
"So shootings take place to get people riled up about gun control do drug dealers use the same tactic pushing drugs to get people talking about drug control ?
If not why not ?"
I have no idea what you even mean by this.
Yet it’s the thrust of your “argument “
"That smacks of paranoia , tell me what about the news you get where do you get it from ?"
All the major ones in the US. ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN. Their youtube channels all have lots of videos about the shooting all of which are biased and push the agenda of gun control.
In your opinion which again is meaningless without .......evidence
By your logic of me needing so much evidence to prove it was faked, I can use the same argument to say it was faked.
You cannot logically as that’s a fallacy , you’re the one making a claim which you cannot prove therefore it’s merely a claim and nothing else
You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is.
Again I don’t have to prove anything you’re the one making the claim or do you not understand basic logic ?
If you want to prove they aren't faked you need to provide evidence that says they weren't
No I don’t , imagine if I said the moon landings were faked well then it’s up to me to prove it and not you to prove they weren’t , your argument is ridiculous
. All the information you're getting is just from what the news is saying. There are details that make these shootings not make sense.
They made sense to the police and those involved but obviously not conspiracy theorists like you
For example, in the parkland shooting, a student was walking with the alleged shooter during the shooting. https://youtu.be/Nn8VUxBuWMY?t=138 Another example is that in the vegas shooting lots of people said that the gunshots were fake https://youtu.be/3rFsc69jfM and also that people couldn't see anyone injured out of the supposed 58 dead and 500 something injured https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SArmCkZFv2Q These are just 3 details that don't make sense.g
Very little seems to make “ sense “ to you
If you do some research yourself you will see that there are many more but I'm not gonna go search for endless amounts of evidence that you will probably dispute anyway.
Which you cannot provide and admitted some are faked
If you're genuinely curious do some searching for yourself
I’m not interested in bullshit , and seeing as you cannot back your claim up I feel anything else you have to say will be equally void of implication
I'm not even gonna bother adressing everything you said but 1 thing.
You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is.
Again I don’t have to prove anything you’re the one making the claim or do you not understand basic logic ?
You're claiming they're not fake and I'm wrong so where is your evidence that they are not faked?
You haven't provided a single logical argument the whole time you've been here. And where the hell do you get this that I'm a child hating gun nut? I think we should have more gun control. All you do is make stupid false assumptions.
Okay where's your reliable unbiased proof? All you're doing is saying "Well if the news said it, it must be true." If I was your son, I'd be disappointed that my parent is so mindless. Also you would not be physically capable of beating my ass.
I'm not even gonna bother adressing everything you said but 1 thing.
Why would you? He's only here to make himself feel better and more intelligent by putting other people down. Just look at the length of reply he's written. This is a moron who is interested in absolutely nothing except the sound of his own voice.
Because that’s what normal people do in debate which rules you out
He's only here to make himself feel better and more intelligent by putting other people down.
I didn’t insult him once , I corrected him as I do you
Just look at the length of reply he's written.
Yes I put to bed every argument he put up , no doubt you agree the shootings are staged also , maybe you should team up seeing as you’re up voting the moron
This is a moron who is interested in absolutely nothing except the sound of his own voice.
Most amusing this coming from the site idiot who’s latest claim is “ anyone that takes and accepts the findings of a DNA test is a ......science denier “
No Dermot, normal people do not need to write 10,000 words to refute a point. Narcissists are the only people who need to do that.
I didn’t insult him once
I am afraid you insulted everybody that you expected was going to be interested in your poorly written novel, including me.
I corrected him
Again, if it takes you 10,000 words to "correct" somebody then clearly you are not doing it right.
Yes I put to bed every argument he put up
No, you countered his opinion with your own opinion, you delusional halfwit. For some reason, you think everybody is expected to produce evidence except yourself, while in your special case a large quantity of redundantly idiotic bullshit does just as nicely.
Okay 1st you saying that his opinion on a different topic somehow means he's wrong on this one is a logical fallacy. 2nd, You act like you've somehow got the upperhand in this argument even though you're arguing that it was not faked and have provided no evidence at all other than what the news has told you. I provided you with evidence that absolutely raises questions at least. So why don't you look over all these videos again and tell me how you can explain these bits of evidence.
How do you explain that she saw the shooter not shooting and heard gunshots coming from somewhere where he was not. How do you explain that she saw no one injured? Also how do you explain that she witnessed a mass shooting and is smiling in the same day
How do you explain that people who are discussing it and it's legitimacy are being told they can't discuss it and will possibly face arrest and misdemeanor charges?
This is actually incredible to me. One of the supposed survivors from the shooting was interviewed a lot and got lots of flak from the internet about him being a crisis actor. Here's one of the interviews he did for a news channel: https://youtu.be/3i97DdqgwX4 Here's a video I just found with him that is pretty solid evidence that he is in fact an actor: https://youtu.be/W7mpU9vl0zw?t=76
I'm not even gonna bother adressing everything you said
I know because you cannot
but 1 thing You're saying "Where's your evidence that it was faked?" I just as easily can say "Where's your evidence that it wasn't faked?" You're not proving that it wasn't faked by asking me what my evidence is.
You’re the one making the claim you dummy , I’ve explained this to you already
Again I don’t have to prove anything you’re the one making the claim or do you not understand basic logic ?
You do otherwise it’s just you mouthing off, regards basic logic I’ve just schooled you in that but you’re to stupid to comprehend
You're claiming they're not fake and I'm wrong so where is your evidence that they
He has evidence that you are too stupid to explain your point in less than 10,000 words.
Do you actually think anybody reads your deranged ranting? I guarantee you that they don't, and especially when you use puppet accounts to upvote yourself.