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Debate Score:183
Arguments:87
Total Votes:287
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Are atheist stupid?

Pretty clear.

Yes

Side Score: 56
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No

Side Score: 127
4 points

yes, there r stupid atheists. however, it would be a mistake 2 say all atheists r stupid, most atheists r stupid, most stupid people r atheists, or that theists r smarter then atheists. i havent seen ne evidence 4 ne of these claims.

Side: yes
kaidon(27) Disputed
3 points

hi. just curious,why do you believe in god? theres no evidence for him,is there?

Side: No
richout(33) Disputed
1 point

Yes, today there are no physical evidences of God but we have this what we call FAITH,with that alone no one can ever question if God really exist.

Side: yes
1 point

If you fear death, yet believe that God does not exist, then you are being irrational. Then again, maybe you uncertain whether death is the end of your existence. Are you ready to die?

Side: yes
HGUAPSLA(23) Disputed
1 point

How is the fear of death and no belief in god irrational? Death to an atheist means the ultimate end to their awareness and physical body. They have more to fear in death than theists do. Religious followers believe in a complicated and multi faceted afterlife, each religion structuring their own. They believe this is just one step, that they will continue to exist after this. Being afraid of no longer existing in a conscience viable platform is something we should all fear. Its not irrational at all. It goes along with our basic human instinct to survive.

Side: No

If atheists are so smart, then why did they have to create bogus accounts to up-vote themselves?

Side: Yes
1 point

Or people might just agreeing with them? Ever consider that?

Side: No
Thewayitis(4071) Disputed
1 point

I considered that. But after critical thinking, it is illogical .

Side: Yes
-6 points
imrigone(761) Disputed
5 points

I won't speak for any other atheists (yes you have been rather unfairly dunked in the downvote bucket), but you can go to my profile, check my points and see exactly how many d-votes I have dished out to you, or anyone else, recently.

(And to continue with the agreement that you technically never agreed to but will continue until you dispense some modicum of logic on our debate): You are about as intelligent as a giraffe is aquatic!

Side: No
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
2 points

You are about as intelligent as a giraffe is aquatic!

Really, you resort to that lame of a comment.

Side: yes
HGUAPSLA(23) Disputed
5 points

From what I can see while reading over the posts, that the atheist are actually putting forth some kind of argument while your side is doing nothing but bashing. Your generalizing an entire belief structure over a few down votes. Your inability to allow people to believe things outside of your own beliefs is archaic and a form of bigotry. I am aware that this forum structure gets much abuse from people idely voting down and bashing. So to counter it, offer solid debate, with well constructed ideas and quite complaining.

Side: No
0 points

Thewayitis: Isn't it strange how they go around down-voting posts without disputing you? Rather pathetic in my opinion. Furthermore, your final statement is so true. To be perfectly honest, I think the point system is ludacris and draws in the weak morons that can't debate. throws back head and laughs for hours

Side: yes
10 points

Usually not, no.

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Side: No
8 points

No matter what you might think, you cannot clump people together like that.

Yes, there are most likely unintelligent atheists, just like there are unintelligent theists. But there are also very intelligent people from both sides as well. For instance: scientists and doctors.

Side: No
7 points

I usually overlook and ignore debates like this that have no real purpose but to bash one group of people, that most likely just believe something different than the debate creator. But Ill bow down to curiosity and join in. No they aren't stupid, not in the least bit. Everyone has their own complicated belief sets and everyone has them for a reason. If someone believes their is no religious deity than so be it. Most atheist don't put down people that have religious beliefs, so why is it always happening the other way around. I am atheist and have my beliefs, not because I hate religion, but because I have researched many religions and felt that the teachings and histories don't quite have enough weight and reliability for me to blindly follow them. My belief is that if I am wrong and a god does exist, then he won't punish me for making a decision based on available knowledge and past record. I should not be expected to blindly have faith in and follow a belief structure that has been responsible for an estimated 809 million murders in human history. I don't force by beliefs on anyone, and wholeheartedly respect the rights of people to believe what they want. As a matter of fact when me and my wife have kids, we are going to expose them to many religions, giving them the option to be educated and choose for themselves. We are NOT stupid, we are making moral and educated decisions. Just not the same decisions you are.

Side: No
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
0 points

Most atheist don't put down people that have religious beliefs, so why is it always happening the other way around.

I would definitely contend this generalization. In my experience (as there is no statistics) is that atheists are first to start the mud slinging.

I am atheist and have my beliefs, not because I hate religion, but because I have researched many religions and felt that the teachings and histories don't quite have enough weight and reliability for me to blindly follow them.

I know you aren't talking about Christianity, because God wants you to have a reason to believe in Him.

Romans 1: 20

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

My belief is that if I am wrong and a god does exist, then he won't punish me for making a decision based on available knowledge and past record.

The verse above shows your assumption is wrong. God has given us His revealed word, and we have all that we need to believe in Him.

Naturalism can't explain the origin of the universe, yet alone the origin of life. You put your faith in the flesh and rely upon the assumptions of unobservable and non-experimental instances. The Bible has thousands of testifiable witnesses, whereas the "billions" of years are far beyond any observation. I would doubt a well educated person would rely on constant radioactive decay rates for such an exorbitant amount of time.

Side: yes
HGUAPSLA(23) Disputed
6 points

I know you aren't talking about Christianity, because God wants you to have a reason to believe in Him.

Romans 1: 20

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

That assumes complete authenticity of the bible, and the absolute fact that Christianity is the only correct language. All religious doctrine has been written and many times translated by humans. Regardless of the truthfulness of the content, you can't say for 100 percent certainty that all the words and grammar are perfect. Many translations from one language to another have varied meanings, mostly up to specific interpretation. The many different versions of the bible and proven inconsistencies between many similar religions prove just that. The roman catholic church follows the same doctrine of many different religions, yet interpret many things different. I live a moral and upstanding life. I strive to help people around me and follow many of the same morals as theists. The only real difference is what goes through my head when I think of death and beyond. If you believe my choice to no believe will condemn me, then so be it. Its your right to do so.

I feel that our very basic infant knowledge of the world around us is not a proof for your beliefs. Think of what was unimaginable years ago. People with diseases like schizophrenia and other now understandable ailments were once chalked up to some demon or attack from Satan. Don't us our lack of informational development as an argument. Many things that at one time were considered a religious issue are now highly accepted and daily technology. We learned information and answered a question. No one can answer all questions, and that's why this remains a deeply trenched and volatile debate. Each side striving to answer the glaring flaws that each side has. Not likely to ever be answered but well accept many many of us.

Side: No
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
5 points

For ever since the world was created, people have seen the earth and sky. Through everything God made, they can clearly see his invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature. So they have no excuse for not knowing God.

I see the sky and the Earth, but I am not about to worship them. I do not dispute that the sky and earth exists, what I dispute is that your God is responsible. Your verse expects us to assume that he is the cause.

If we are to believe the account of Doubting Thomas, Yahweh PREFERS blind faith over honest inquiry.

Side: No
5 points

Yes, there are stupid atheist. But being atheist does not make someone stupid.

And, in my opinion, atheist have more useful people than theist. Because they don't have a religion to keep them down from becoming something that can help society.

Side: No
Billie(790) Disputed
1 point

And, in my opinion, atheist have more useful people than theist. Because they don't have a religion to keep them down from becoming something that can help society.

That is so ignorant I can barely believe it. You seriously believe that Christians are held back by their beliefs from doing anything to help society? You are so far off the truth and so stereotypical its unreal. So you're saying that men such as Martin Luther King etc have done nothing "useful"? Mother Teresa who is famed for helping the poor, sick, orphaned, dying and found homes for the severely sick and has dedicated her life to the misfortuned? What about Florence Nightingale who is famous for her dedication to the sick? What about John Wycliffe who is famous for the first translation of the English Bible which has become the best selling book today? What about William Wilberforce who was the famous Christian who brought the end to the world slave trade? What about Elizabeth Fry who visited prisons that were overcrowded, filthy, degrading and evil things present and replaced the appalling circumstances with order and respect? What about George Meuller who established orphanages for over 60 years after the cholera epidemic and in that time caring for more than 10,000 abandoned children? What about Isaac Newton who invented the laws of gravity and the invention of calculus and who said "Godliness consists in the knowledge love & worship of God, Humanity in love, righteousness & good offices towards man"? What about Bach who has contributed immensely to the world of music who even dedicated his music to the glory of God? What about John Milton who penned "Paradise Lost" which recounts the fall of man and is considered today a masterpiece of English Literature and states that "The end of learning is to know God, and out of that knowledge to love Him and imitate Him"? They are all Christians who have changed this world you ignorant child.I could go on forever naming Christians that inspire thousands for their great works, so don't you sit there saying Christians don't do shit for society 'cuz they've done more than you could ever do.

Side: yes
2 points

And for the person that down-voted that without disputing - get a fucking life you loser.

Side: yes
Saurbaby(5581) Disputed
2 points

That's not what I meant at all. But I can see how you could take it that way.

I mean the people who don't believe in dinosaurs, or science in general for that matter

And I didn't, by any means, mean all theists. I'm sorry you took it that way.

The people who refuse to venture into science, or anything other than religion, are the theists I am speaking of. They aren't really helpful to society if all they do is follow the word of God.

There was absolutely no need for you to call names. You made your point and you could have done it without calling me an "ignorant child"

Side: No
5 points

This is question is almost an oxymoron, my answer is a definite no. Anyone who takes the metaphors of any religion seriously is far more stupid than an athiest.

Side: No
HGUAPSLA(23) Disputed
2 points

I disagree, the evolution of human morals and a family based social structure is a direct result of religious followers interpreting those metaphors and following their guidelines. They are not stupid, they are exercising their right to do so. I don't agree with them in any way shape or form. But the structure based on fear and cause and effect have helped us create a world not based on compulsion and instinct, but on right and wrong. I am grateful that the world has developed as such and given me the opportunity to live in relative safety and with the freedom to choose what I believe.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
1 point

But the structure based on fear and cause and effect have helped us create a world not based on compulsion and instinct, but on right and wrong.

How can you say that when morality differs so greatly from one place to another? The Aztecs didn't find it wrong to make human sacrifices to appease some of their gods. Were they wrong for doing so?

Side: No
garry77777(1796) Disputed
1 point

Look those metaphors and guidelines arose because of man's humanity towards his fellow man, sure they dressed it upo in religion, but the fact is that all the wisdom contained in the bible is worldly wisdon, the accumulated wisdom of many generations. I agree that some people get their morals primarily because they beleive in the supernatural side of the bible but all this is in my opinion is a way to dress up the mataphors contained within in order to make the more palatable to the general population.

Anyway in my opinion if someone takes the metaphors of the bible seriously e.g. beleives in the story of creation or Noahs ark or whatever, they are far more stupid than any athiest.

Side: No
Genesis1vs1(31) Disputed
1 point

Anyone who takes the metaphors of any religion seriously is far more stupid than an athiest.

The key is recognizing metaphor with historical narrative. The difference is important.

Side: yes
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
2 points

And I suppose you are qualified to make that distinction?

Side: No
3 points

no christians are stupid. try praying for anything. will it come true? no . why? because god is a delusion.

Side: No
4 points

people die in car accidents all the time,fires,aids diseases,homicide,suicide,and people tell me theres a god?. wake up people,what planet are you living on.

Side: No
britt0018(43) Disputed
1 point

First, we need some minimum requirements that the universe must possess in order to comply with God's stated purpose for designing the universe, according to the Bible. So, this essay will not address possible purposes for the universe as delineated in other religious writings, which, I believe, do not provide much of a challenge to the non-belief of skeptics. Therefore, I do not intend to defend the easily refuted claims of other religions or atheists' ideas about how best to create the optimal universe. None of the requirements below represent some fringe Christian beliefs, but are central to the tenets of all Christian beliefs. Justification for each requirement is listed below. Any atheists' claims that these requirements are not central to Christianity are spurious, at best. Here is the list:

The universe must allow for the existence of sentient creatures.

These sentient creatures must have the ability to make moral choices.

The universe must operate by physical laws that are reliable, so that the sentient creatures will be able to interact reliably with their surroundings and each other.

The universe must declare the power and glory of God

Although we have shown that the laws of physics require the existence of all natural evils defined by atheists, it is still possible that God could have chosen different laws of physics. Even so, the different laws of physics would still need to allow requirements 1-4, above. Virtually every process that makes human beings unique require the operation of thermodynamic laws. However, these laws also result in almost all natural evil. So, it is unclear how the laws of physics could be substantially different from what they are and yet still produce a universe in which sentient creatures would be allowed to make moral choices.

Side: yes
3 points

atheists are stupid? wha? you believe some superman in heaven is going to come down n save all the true believers?. yeah, and maybe santa is real too.

Side: No
3 points

the bible says:ask and it shall be given,seek and you shall find.knock and the door will be open to you,yet clearly a christian housewife can pray for mustard to come out of her blouse and wala, a miracle!!!

Side: No
3 points

do you know that michael persinger made the god helmet, in which 80 percent of its wearers would ''experience god''. god is a ''feeling'' an ''emotional need'' for those who arent too open-minded. scientists and laymen have used countless logical arguments to prove that god is a logical fallacy, a result of an overactive or unusually active posterior parietal cortex. you dont believe in allah do you?, how about vishnu, or sheva, or zeus, or thor.

Side: No
britt0018(43) Disputed
1 point

No, God has not left His name etched onto the surface of planets. However, there is abundant evidence that the universe was designed by super intelligent Agent, who purposed that the universe should exist and be capable of supporting advanced life. The design of the universe is just one line of evidence that God created the universe. The design of the earth and solar system is also quite impressive. Likewise, chemistry and physics preclude the possibility that life evolved on earth. In addition, human beings are remarkably different from every other animal on earth, suggesting a departure from naturalistic processes.

Yes, many religious truth claims are testable. Those who are truly interested in whether a religion represents truth should test the claims to see how they stand against the evidence. Modern cosmology destroys the Hindu model for the universe, but affirms the Judeo-Christian model. Cosmology and earth sciences destroy the strange assertions of the Quran. Archeology, cosmology and molecular biology destroy the claims of the LDS Book of Mormon., but confirm many claims from the Bible. For an ancient document written thousands of years ago, the Bible makes some remarkable scientific claims - many of which were not verified until this century. However, the Bible was never written to serve as a science textbook, but was given as guide to having a relationship with God and our fellow human beings. The Bible answers the "why" and "what" questions that naturalism says are unanswerable:

Why does the universe exist?

Why do human beings exist?

What is my purpose?

Why do I do things I know I shouldn't do?

Is this all there is?

Side: yes
2 points

No, but sadly with many of them; their intellect stops immediately following the statement that, "I don't believe in God."

Side: No
2 points

For not believing in God? No!

As a Christian how can i call my brother an idiot and still believe i can aproach God with my head held high?

Side: No
2 points

Not inherently, however it is sad they choose to believe in nothing superior than themselves.

Side: No
Elvira(3446) Disputed
1 point

That would be difficult. :)

Side: Yes
1 point

Stupidity is not limited to one group, every group has some stupid! :D

Side: No
1 point

People who never question their beliefs are stupid.

Side: No

I wouldn't say they are stupid, I would say they are just lost.

Side: No
kaidon(27) Disputed
1 point

did you know the concept of ''satan'' didnt appear until the nomadic monotheists ran into polytheists and borrowed the idea?

Side: yes