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 Are gay people born that way? (36)

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Are gay people born that way?

Most people who say they are gay claim to be born that way. Non-gays tend to believe differently. What do you believe? Please use evidence to support.

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2 points

i realy dont think my environment as a child made me the way i am, nor was it a simple desicion i made.

oh yeah i woke up one day and said.. hmmm i think ill be gay.

no it dosent work like that, it has been proven that certain active parts or non active parts of the brain make a person gay or straight.

too much certain chemical here not enough there sorta thing...

Chaster(17) Clarified
1 point

I agree its not a decision you make. but we cant expect to know what our environment was like. Some people become gay due to distant fathers, or dominant mothers. Child sexual abuse too cause homosexuality. There are people with these kinds of environments but are not gay. Brain, like everything else changes. and There are many people with those kinds of brains but are not gay. So there are not definitive/decisive factors. Its a result of complex factors. Sexual orientation is learned most of the time

They were not born that way. I believe that all people learn their behavior through the environment they grew up in. When growing up some things could affect them in certain ways that will cause them to become that way. Some would say "my parents are homophobic and would never let me be that way," some people could feel left out in their family and tries to find a place to fit in and that just may be becoming gay.

Side: No
SilentSound(117) Disputed
5 points

So you believe to fit in they become gay... kind of counter productive don't you think.

Side: No
brycer2012(1002) Disputed
0 points

That doesn't always have to be the case. Maybe the parents don't care if they are gay or the parents could be gay. I'm just trying to come up with examples.

Side: No
1 point

so u believe to fit in they become gay... how irony?? that does not make any sense

Side: No
cullenjb(18) Disputed
0 points

I am just wondering, and I am not trying to start and arguement; are you yourself gay?

Side: yes
brycer2012(1002) Disputed
1 point

No. I'm just thinking about different ways people try to fit in. If they aren't loved at home they would go somewhere that the fit in may it be a gang, people who do drugs, people who do good things. It doesn't always have to be bad groups they get in to.

Side: yes
1 point

But being a heterosexual, you wouldn't know. I mean, you don't have any evidence do you?

Side: yes
brycer2012(1002) Disputed
1 point

I have no evidence. I believe that people learn things as they grow older and they build up their behaviors through age and act as they have been taught or they believe is better. If I had a long lost twin then I believe that he would act differently because he would have grown up in a different environment.

Side: No
SilentSound(117) Disputed
1 point

Of course he would act differently because he grew up in a different environment, but it would be pretty limited. There have been studies of identical twins separated at birth having similar cars, jobs, etc.

Problem is, many gay mean show signs long before they are at an age to specifically learn much.

Supporting Evidence: Believe what you wish (abcnews.go.com)
Side: No
1 point

Sexual orientation is birth driven.

"Now new research offers evidence that there may indeed be a physiological basis for sexual orientation. In a study of 41 brains taken from people who died before age 60, Simon LeVay, a biologist at San Diego's Salk Institute for Biological Studies, found that one tiny region in the brain of homosexual men was more like that in women than that in heterosexual men. "Sexuality is an important part of who we are," notes LeVay, who is gay. "And now we have a specific part of the brain to look at and to study." [1]

Supporting Evidence: Gay Born [1] (www.time.com)
Side: yes
1 point

Nobody wants to be gay, because being gay means you live a life that in which you are hated an ostracized by the world. Besides, I heard a news story on 60 Minutes (I think) about how homosexuality could arise, in men specifically, from the development before birth.

Side: yes
pamina9(62) Disputed
1 point

Well, I think I may be lesbian or bi (as I'm not quite 13 yet, I can't be sure), and I know I wouldn't change it even if I could. I think people are either born ga or develop it, but it's not a choice.

Side: yes
MKIced(2510) Disputed
1 point

Truthfully, the fact that you're 13 shows how inexperienced in life you are. I'm lucky and haven't had to deal with much adversity, but my friends have. One of my friends was going to be kicked out of her house unless she swore on the bible to her parents that she was straight.

Side: yes
1 point

Nature or nurture? I'm gunna have to go with nature on this one. I can't see too many people going gay for the lulz =/

Side: yes
1 point

Why don't you ask a few gay people?

I'm pretty sure that someone who's not can't really answer that.

Side: I dunno
1 point

No....they are not.... maybe they are just attracted to man

Side: I dunno
1 point

It's iffy. I'd probably have to say yes, but it's only one of those things you can really understand if you've had some sort of strange or sick attraction to something without any real reason why. I mean, I'm not going to drag up skeletons from my closet, no, but I'm pretty sure there's a lot of gay people who are just born that way, yes.

Side: yes
1 point

This is identical to the Heredity vs Environment debate, as discussed by philosophers in Ancient Greece. it is more commonly believed that the Environment always wins, because we discover and learn as we progress through life. It is, although, commonly believed that Genes has much to do with the way a person thinks and behaves the way they do, which is correct on some levels.

Judging by all of this, I would suggest that Genetics plays a role in the development of being Gay (in some cases, NOT ALL), however the majority of Gays would have developed this from social interests such as looking at how others behave and how others respond to that specific behaviour.

If a man loves a woman he is not considered gay. This is clearly because he has attraction to the opposite sex, and therefore, has no clear sexual interests in other males. However, if this man happens to find another man more appealing and attractive than a female, then that man is, technically, gay.

Men aren't born to love another man, they grow into this sexual perception.

The same is with a woman, after all, women can be gay too, though the term more commonly and more appropriately used is 'lesbian.'

So, men are born with no particular interests, as these interests are developed over time. genetics can make things more or less appealing, but in my point of view, the Environment easily defeats Heredity in the case of Homosexuality.

Side: No
1 point

i think people are born and shaped into certain ideas.

i think it is possible that people are born neither heterosexual nor homosexual instead they are born plain 'sexual', then our traditions, religions and cultures help to mould a particular preference which for some becomes second nature/natural and not so much for the others they may be less receptive to external stimuli. Of course personal preferences come into it as well, i do not suppose to suggest that we have arachnophobia in society due to upbringing.

Side: No
1 point

My childhood influence didn't make me gay...I've known I was gay since I was three years old, in 1955...It's been quite a few years :P

Side: No
1 point

When my son told me he was bi-sexual , he was white as a ghost.

Obviously petrified as to what my response would be.

He seemed pretty relieved to hear me say

" In this day and age , who isnt ? "

He had no knowledge of me being bi-sexual until this day.

He was never influenced to be bi-sexual as he was growing up , nor was i.

My best friend ,from when i was a teen , is transexual .

After numerous tests it was apparent in HER case that she was a female trapped in the body of a male.

Despite the chromozonal evidence , her family rejected her and would subject her to taunts and ridicule.

I have hung around the gay scene since the age of eleven , 4 years before having that best friend.

There is another case similar to that of my old best friend except it was indeed psychologically induced via the mother rearing the male child as the girl she always had wanted. It was not til in that moment of sexual experimentation was the persons appendages questioned ,did they find out they were indeed physically a male , much to the shock of the poor child.(I hope you can make sense of this last bit , reading back over it , it dont sound right)

Side: No
1 point

Ok, you see here in Jamaica, we burn those things, in other words we dont accept those things in our society. I dont think that they are born that way they just got stubborn.

Side: No
zombee(1026) Disputed
1 point

You burn gay people in Jamaica?

The minimum length for an argument is 50 characters. The purpose of this restriction is to cut down on the amount of dumb jokes, so we can keep the quality of debate and discourse as high as possible.

Side: No
1 point

My best frand is gay. Im not really sure how it happened but it did........

Side: I dunno
1 point

i believe some people are just that sexually promiscuous and choose to experiment and find pleasure with homosexual acts. but the over whelming majority of gays are just plain born that way.

Side: I dunno
1 point

When I have questions about what is natural for humans, I find it often makes sense to look at our close relatives, the other great apes, for information. Of course it isn't perfect, as they are not our direct ancestors, but if they share common characteristics, it is possible and even likely that these characteristics were present in our common ancestor, which means they have been present in humans since the very beginning of our species.

Bonobos and chimpanzees, genetically the most similar to us out of all the great apes, both exhibit homosexual behaviour. In chimps, it is limited, and almost exclusively between males. In bonobos, it is far more common and varied, with homosexual acts between females being the most often common. Both of these apes appear use it for the same purpose; building and maintaining good relationships, soothing tensions and dissolving disputes over resources. Bonobos, like humans, also obviously find sex to be a lot of fun. Interestingly enough, a 'lesbian' chimp named Puist has also been extensively recorded in activity, but there are no other recorded cases of an ape being purely homosexual. However, as humans grew to be more intelligent and took more liberty with their sexual tastes, I don't think it would have been much of a leap for exclusive or near-exclusive homosexuality to emerge.

The fact that homosexuality is very much present in our relative species suggests it has been around for a very long time. Traits without a purpose tend to die out, so we can infer homosexuality affords a benefit of some kind. Aside from helping to maintain good relations between groupmates, some studies show that the sisters of homosexual men have more children, and that their children are better looked after. This explains how homosexual tendencies could survive and be passed down; not directly, but through their female relatives.

I am also having trouble getting a source for this but a large percentage of gay people I know have at least one other gay family member, and not always a sibling, so they had different upbringings. To me, this seems to be further evidence that homosexuality is inborn.

http://aleksandreia.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/so-just-why-are-there-gay-people/

http://books.google.com/books?id=3E0-BEm-ZxoC&pg;=PA181&lpg;=PA181&dq;=sisters+of+homosexuals+have+more+children&source;=bl&ots;=7JOfEUffoA&sig;=y4lOhFXUkUGNO- yLdhK0RhEVeGc&hl;=en&ei;=gLfjS6npB6KuMuD0la8D&sa;=X&oi;=book_result&ct;=result&resnum;=2&ved;=0CBkQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q;=sisters%20of%20homosexuals%20have%20more%20children&f;=false

Side: I dunno
1 point

The vast majority of studies show a large range of influences that can affect a persons sexuality. No single factor can be cited as the sole cause for sexual orientation.

However, studies such as Twin Studies show that genetic factors are most likely to be the predominant cause.

(List: http://www.tim-taylor.com/papers/twin_studies/studies.html) )

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The largest twin study was the Bailey & Pillard study which found a 52% concordance of homosexuality between monozygotic (Identical) twins.

(When an identical twin is homosexual, 52% of the time the other twin is also homosexual.)

Similar studies also found that between dizygotic twins (twins that share ~50% genetic information) the 52% figure drops

(22% in the Bailey & Pillard study), but is still about double the normal occurrence.

The important thing that these studies show is that there is a significant link between genetics and sexual orientation.

The more genetically similar two people are, the more likely they share the same sexual orientation.

Side: yes
1 point

god you guys r such faggots. there is a reason why people say thats so gay

Side: yes
Cuaroc(8827) Disputed
1 point

yet another troll confused about his sexuality.

Side: yes

Gay people are born Gay just as Heterosexuals are born that way.

Side: yes
0 points

No, there is actually no such thing as a "gay" human being.

People act "gay" but can never be gay.

I don't know if some of you people out there will understand this concept.

Being "gay" is a behavioral issue.

And if "gay" people say "I was born that way I can't help it."

Why don't they go get help?

They have AA for Alcoholics Anonymous and NA for Narcotics Anonymous.

Why doesn't the government cook up a good one called HA?

(Homosexuals Anonymous)

These people want to have it both ways as in it's a good thing and a bad thing.

It can only be good or bad and it's bad overall.

Why I say that is because, who are the ones making all the Moral issues about "gays"?

The Fags.

Who are the ones protesting?

The Fudge-packers.

Everyone else doesn't give a shit on what they do but yet they still want themselves to be heard..that under 5% person population. (In the US)

We know your out there and we don't want to know what you do. How about you guys try this?

Leave America the fuck alone and move somewhere else and spread your filth in that country? I don't know try..France?

Britain?

Same thing goes to you Obama why don't you go and become President of Cuba, Russia, or some other major Communist/Totalitarianism country?

America is the Land of the Free, but it has the constitution that says the what hell people are suppose to do and what is actually morally 'right'.

Marriage between Man and Woman will always reign overall.

You gays want to know something cool?

If it wasn't for a Man and a Woman your ass wouldn't be on this earth now!

Side: No
farru(14) Disputed
1 point

Everyone else doesn't give a shit on what they do but yet they still want themselves to be heard..that under 5% person population. (In the US)

'We know your out there and we don't want to know what you do. How about you guys try this?

Leave America the fuck alone and move somewhere else and spread your filth in that country? I don't know try..France?

Britain?'

It's seem your wrong, according to your submission, you quite clearly care. Maybe if you (and the people like you who actually count i.e. employers, public authorities etc.) weren't so hatefully discriminating they would have no need to protest and get on your nerves. And if you are one of those gay hating Christians, I would suggest you look to the Jesus sections. love thy enemy, turn the other cheek, don't do evil with evil. If you think it's such an abomination you should be praying for them, not hating them, after all its their business between them and God....

surely you're not a bigot

Side: No
Sulith(508) Disputed
1 point

Hold on.

Do I mention hate anywhere?

I am furious at my fellow brothers (whites) for the deeds they are doing but I do not hate them.

Don't assume.

Side: No
OyVey(1) Disputed
-1 points

You sound like quite an expert, don't you skinhead? Why don't you go get help? Join sA (skinheads Anonymous) You're homophobic - better search your pea-brain and find out why you hate so much. Sounds like maybe you have some sexual identity issues. America is the Land of the Free, skinhead, and that means everybody! You better leave because you can't force your ignorant opinions on intelligent people. You're a hateful little person with a big mouth. Shut it up and go away. Better yet, go to the nearest mental hospital and get yourself committed. You're still living in the Dark Ages, ! And, no I'm not gay - I'm just a member of the human race who isn't fixated on my neighbor's private business, especially his or her sex life. That seems to be what you want to focus on... odd person you are. It's none of your business! His taxes pay for your welfare check. And your bible-thumping doesn't fly with me. It doesn't give you permission to hate or judge anyone. So go and be nice and get a life!

Side: Gay People ARE born gay