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human lives worth more animal lives worth more/equal
Debate Score:83
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Are human lives worth more than animal lives?

Is a human life worth more than that of an animal? If so, can there be an objective way to determine this? Explain.

human lives worth more

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animal lives worth more/equal

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2 points

The amount of output and productivity that a human can do for a corporation is usually a lot more than that of an animal.

Some very disabled humans' lives are worth less than animals, hence why I support euthanasia for the terminally ill and why I support abortion especially for very disabled fetuses. :)

Side: human lives worth more
arteaga34(130) Disputed
2 points

Okay so your ideal on what a life is worth is solely based on how much productivity a life-form is able to produce within its life span?

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

Yes, this is not a dispute so clarify instead.

Side: human lives worth more
1 point

It's true that life has value. We must be able to use our time to have fun

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

It's true that life has value. We must be able to use our time to have fun

Side: animal lives worth more/equal

The definition of worth has been determined by human beings, without the intelligence of our species nothing would be of any worth at all. Animals don't trade, not as far as I know anyway, so they don't really have any form of system with any kind of currency. Since we invented and created this system, of course we value ourselves over other species.

Side: human lives worth more
arteaga34(130) Disputed
1 point

The question wasn't if humans valued themselves over animals; that one is obvious. It was whether a human life is objectively worth more than that of an animal life or not.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
instig8or(3308) Disputed
3 points

Shoutoutloud's point is that the only value there is is subjective and the only subjective value is the one that humans determine. :)

Side: human lives worth more
shoutoutloud(4302) Clarified
2 points

My answer stays the same - humans have defined value, we have made us more worthy than animals, therefore we are.

Side: human lives worth more
Harvard(666) Disputed
1 point

So the creation of interspecific currency, therefore, the increase is unrelated, isolated intraspecific value?

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
shoutoutloud(4302) Clarified
1 point

I'm sorry, I do not understand your question. .

Side: human lives worth more
-1 points

Impressive! LOL.

I rarely if ever even hear ONE of those words: interspecific and inTRAspecific used.

Yet you managed to use them BOTH in one short post.

Good to see your money at Harh-vuhhd was well-spent. LOL.

For a mere $150 grand you can try to impress other CB members with your vocabulary and sophistry.

Of course, a local public library card can get you the same thing, but........

thanks!!

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
2 points

The fact that this question is asked in the first place provides the answer. Animals would not consider any such thing. Humans have the ability to act in an altruistic manner. We have the unique position of being able to safeguard and foster all life in general; assuming that is what we choose to do. A human can be seen to put forth effort in maintaining the well-being of a pet cat for example. Reverse the roles and the same could not be said under most circumstances. One human life may lead to the growth of not only more humans, but animals as well. An animal on the other hand, has neither the compulsion nor the intellectual context in which to put forth any effort which does not benefit itself or it's offspring.

Side: human lives worth more
arteaga34(130) Disputed
1 point

Okay so you've given reasons for most humans having more ability or potential ability than an animal, this doesn't prove humans contain an objectively higher life-value.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

Yeah, no doubt about it, our human lives are worth far more than those of any lesser animal. God said so in the Bible, in Genesis he gave us dominion over all of them.

Cracks me up when I hear some dog-lover go on about how they seem to place more emphasis on animal lives than human. It's like my sister-in-law, a total idiot; I was over at my brother's house once and she was watching the news and I overheard the story about a house fire: "A family of three--including a two-year-old infant--were killed in the blaze. Also perishing was the family's pet German shepherd."

And my sister in law goes: "Ooohh, poor dog!"

Really?

Well, like I say, she's an idiot. Under-educated hick from backwoods Georgia. In fact, it has been my personal experience that the folks who DO think animal lives are worth more than those of humans tend to be less educated. Or just plain misanthropes. Or both. LOL.

Also, make no mistake: we have Souls. Animals do not.

Side: human lives worth more
Harvard(666) Disputed
4 points

In fact, it has been my personal experience that the folks who DO think animal lives are worth more than those of humans tend to be less educated. Or just plain misanthropes. Or both. LOL.

So someone who believes in blatant illogical, unscientific doctrine is non-undereducated? Or perhaps someone who believes that the earth is only a couple thousand years old, despite massive geological counterevidence, with the only evidence provided being an ancient book written by ignorant literary scribes, is somehow properly educated?

It appears that you lack the fundamental education in elementary geology; yet, you have the unwarranted temerity to call those with an unarguable subjective personal view "under-educated"? That's like suggesting those who favor boomslangs over capybaras are objectively moronic.

Firstly, in what way is such a personal view illustrative of education? Please provide an objective correlation between valuing animals over humans and education, as doing so will significantly help your pontifical, asinine position. What is it that they are not educated on? Your absurd irrational religion comprised of innumerable contradictions, or fundamental zoology?

Could it possibly be that your in-law simply judged the situation for what is probably was: A fire that resulted in an innocent dog suffering unnecessarily as a result of careless, irresponsible human activity? Though, this is just mere speculation.

Also, make no mistake: we have Souls. Animals do not.

Yet they have almost every fundamental feature a human has: personality, intelligence, the capability of attachment/love/bonding, emotivity, communication, etc. The only thing they do not have is the capacity to use resources in a way that can render them superior- but I will add that neither does any individual human. You think you're smart simply because you can utilize what truly smart people created/invented (e.g., computers, or a stove); whereas animals rely heavily on instinct-, which is far more impressing and superior than the capability of any modern individual human- as if an electrical system goes so too does this inflated facade of intelligence (e.g., GPS, calculators, transportation mediums/vehicles, etc.) that you claim to have, unfoundedly of course.

Point is: not everyone is a speciesist like yourself and therefore have the droit to value whichever species they please at whichever level they please without bearing false references regarding their 'educational level'.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
2 points

Jesus Christ, (no pun intended) great analysis and dispute.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

You use more meaningless words and sophistry than five guys running for Mayor. LOL.

I started getting a headache about one-third of the way thru your post. So I sorta skimmed the rest.

I stand by all I said in my OP. My education in Geology is quite sufficient, however. So please let me know if you have any questions on that subject-- or Radiometric dating-- that I can help you with.

>>>>>>Oh, by the way. The first sentence in your previous post is what we in debate and rhetoric circles call a Straw Man. Look it up if you need to. In fact, you have about six Straw Mans in your whole post.

(See, some of US have a bit of education too. LOL--we just don't feel the need to flaunt it with purple prose. But I'm guessing you're more of an auto-didact than formally educated. Or am I wrong?)

Side: human lives worth more
arteaga34(130) Disputed
2 points

Lol, I guess it's a lot easier to determine the answer to this question when you believe in God and the bible.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

Yep, it is.

In fact, most questions in life, as well as the problems and vicissitudes we encounter during it, are easier with God. It's sort of a direct proportional deal, I think. The better our relationship with Him the easier for us to deal with mere man-made or Earthly things. Which in the Big Picture, are usually quite trivial.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

people shouldn't need to use justifications to place the lives of their own species above that of others. the value of life or the level of intelligence or sentience is irrelevant, proven by the fact we lead the subjects we choose to judge by. ridiculous.

Side: human lives worth more
1 point

Humans have higher brain capacity and intelligence. Therefore, I believe human lives are worth more then animals.

Side: human lives worth more
2 points

And that intelligence also affords us the opportunity to use that in ways which would benefit both parties. If we were to discover tomorrow that a doomsday comet will soon hit the earth, we alone are capable of attempting to ensure the survival of all species. Animals would not and could not make the same attempt.

Side: human lives worth more
2 points

I feel as though the opposition in this debate is orbiting around the argument that we as humans are more intelligent or have the potential to benefit more to the planet, then again I didn't read all the arguments so I could be wrong. However, I think, taking into account that our superior intelligence is only to make up for the fact that we have no scales or fur or exceptional strength, allowing us to act on our instincts like other animals do. We're "smart" because we have to be.

But does it make us worth more? I don't think so. I mean why can't a giraffe be worth more because they're taller? Or an elephant be worth more because they're stronger?

And of course we have the potential to benefit the Earth more than other species, since they didn't evolve to have to worry about those factors. They worry about their survival and the survival of their children, that's the basis of the life cycle after all. However, we have the potential to destroy the Earth as well, which is something other species don't do naturally to the extent we do, and I think that cancels our ability to benefit out. So are our lives worth more? I don't believe so, but they aren't worth any less either. We must be equal.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
Saintnow(3684) Disputed
0 points

If you think an animal is worth more than you, I think squirrels have snuck into your brain and are nesting there. You need to exterminate the squirrels, kill them before they do more damage to you.

Side: human lives worth more
1 point

I guess this question just depends on what you believe in. If you are like me, and believe there is no objective truth to anything, there can be no determination as to which life-form is worth more than the other. The only reasonable way it seems that humans are able to determine this is through emotional connections.

Ex. Imagine you have a pet dog for something like 15 years, and that dog was your best friend, you did everything with it. One day something really bad happens to your dog, it is on the verge of death and needs to be rushed to the hospital immediately. At the same time, there is a person you have never met before who is also in a near-death state, you can only save one. Even if you say you wouldn't, your initial response would be to save the one you have the strongest emotional connection with, the dog.

In this case, an animal life was arbitrarily worth more than that of a human. There is no way to objectively determine value for life-worth, this can only be determined through emotional connections.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
instig8or(3308) Disputed
2 points

If there is no objective truth then there can be no objective value that you determine to be true. Thus, it is impossible to conclude that animals are worth anything, be that equal or more than human lives. :)

Side: human lives worth more
arteaga34(130) Disputed
1 point

Exactly, with that said, life-value can only be determined by subjective means hence emotional connections.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
2 points

I support your view. Emotional connections as a means of argument I agree is true and insightful.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
instig8or(3308) Disputed
1 point

I do not support your view. Emotional connections as a means of argument I disagree is true and insightful.

Side: human lives worth more
Iulmi(252) Clarified
1 point

Is this sarcasm? It seems to me...

Side: human lives worth more
DanielVLions(2) Disputed
1 point

I would argue that there is in fact a way to objectively determine the value of a life; by comparing and contrasting the effects one life has in relation to others. An easy example would be comparing a serial killer to a foster mother. One decreases the total amount of life in the population as well as ensuring the loss of his own life when he is caught and executed, while the other protects life and encourages those lives to be successful and thus spread more life.

Side: human lives worth more
1 point

by comparing and contrasting the effects one life has in relation to others

And how do you objectively measure that? How would you objectively compare emotional effects of something on a person?

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

Ok back to the question - what are we "worth" lets say on a physical level.

So if you wanted to sell your body what would you get, not much for some blood, organs, tissues etc and only then as long as you are healthy.

So lets look at animals, if you found a previously thought extinct animal, or the last surviving polar bear, or the last bird of paradise, etc etc what would they be "worth". Bucket loads.

Human lives are only "worth" the value of their parts, some animals are priceless.

On an emotional, psychological, spiritual level, the jury is still out.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal

Humans are too busy fucking the world up. Animals on the other hand live peacefully, live by a natural order. A natural order that does not create chaos.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
SlapShot(2608) Disputed
1 point

An old and very misledading argument.

Humans are "busy fucking the world up" as you so eloquently put it because we are the most powerful, smartest, creative, intelligent species. Of all. By far. So with that comes the good and the bad. To say that animals are somehow better than us or more moral because they do not "fuck the world up" is like saying that a guy who never played pro baseball in his life is better than Willie Mays because he never struck out, while Mays struck out hundreds of times. See my point?

The world is also far better now than it ever was, just so you know. People live longer, and it is more peaceful now actually than ever before. Google that if you need to. Through science and tech we are all living better lives overall. Most barbaric institutions of antiquity are eradicated. So spare me the libtard misogyny. Show some gratitude. Thank your Creator. Get a job. LOL.

Side: human lives worth more
Harvard(666) Disputed
2 points

You seem to be a Christian fundamentalist yet you attribute social harmony to science and tech... I'm not suggesting anything, I just find it rather odd.

Anyway, your view on the earth is highly partial and only encompasses some societies. The global population, collectively, is not getting 'better', it is getting much worse (esp. due to overpopulation, GCC, etc.).

Humans are largely contributing to the earth's detriment while animals just go through their natural cycle (which is also becoming interrupted, because of humans). I know of no animal that wittingly pollutes the globe so as to eventually eradicate it's own species other than humans.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

I think their lives are the same.any ways, some animals live longer than human.But more than 100 species of animals are endangered. And human population is too much.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
1 point

exactly;) I am totally right.I am only a primary student.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
0 points

I don't know which way round it is.. Is intelligence what's telling me to think that animal lives are equal, or is it heart?

Either way, I believe all life forms are equal.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
DanielVLions(2) Disputed
1 point

Would you be willing to prove the depth of that conviction? Think of the thousands of maggots that could grow and reproduce off of just your one single body. Yet here you sit typing on the internet while millions of flies, rats, bacteria, etc. starve to death. Shame on you. ;)

Side: human lives worth more
0 points

Animals are not obstacles. They do not block the roads during r ush hour traffic.

Side: animal lives worth more/equal
DanielVLions(2) Disputed
2 points

This is silly, they don't use roads. I'll play along anyways. Train a bunch of chimps to drive, stick them in cars, observe the increased level of blockage. If all things were equal in regards to road use, humans would cause much less trouble than they.

Side: human lives worth more
1 point

Just because you teach a chimp to drive does not mean that he will want to.

Side: human lives worth more