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Humans are inherently good. Humans are inherently savage.
Debate Score:6
Arguments:7
Total Votes:9
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 Humans are inherently good. (2)
 
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Are humans inherently good or savage?

In our novel, Lord of the Flies, we have been discussing whether humans are naturally good or evil (savage). Below are some questions to consider during the debate:

-Do humans need rules to coexist?
-Are humans naturally selfish?
-Are some humans savage and others good?
-Do children need more rules than adults?

Humans are inherently good.

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Humans are inherently savage.

Side Score: 3
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Example: Humans are naturally good because we are born innocent and kind. As children, and young adults we may learn selfish ways, but deep down we are truly good at heart. For instance, there are charities all over the world helping people in need and most people enjoy spending some of their time volunteering, out of the goodness of their heart.

Supporting Evidence: Human Kindness is Powerful (www.cnn.com)
Side: Humans are inherently good.
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What I meant was that rape is an evil thing to do, NOT that the victim is evil. I was raped twice, and saw evil both times. Me saying to that one debater to tell that to a rape victim means sarcastically to say that to a man or woman who has just been raped, and no, I DON'T mean to literally tell them. Relativists live an easy life.

Side: Humans are inherently savage.
1 point

-Do humans need rules to coexist?

Absolutely. And those rules need to be grounded in both reason and evidence.

-Are humans naturally selfish?

No. Before we came to dominate the planet we had to work together just to survive and that remained true for thousands of years. The propensity to be selfish exists naturally, but it has been nurtured and exploited by our current systems of life.

-Are some humans savage and others good?

No. These are emotional (i.e. subjective) terms we have invented ourselves to describe our own experiences. The real world does not experience emotion and so these terms are meaningless in the objective sense. All behaviour can be explained objectively, without the need for arbitrary moral judgements. In short, we like to put labels on things to reassure ourselves that our own belief systems and/or value judgements are true.

-Do children need more rules than adults?

As a general rule, yes, but of course some children develop faster than others.

Side: Humans are inherently savage.
Chinaman(2982) Clarified
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Humans evolved from apes. The only predator to prey on gorillas is the leopard.

Why do leopards prey on apes. Could it be they have an enemy.

Side: Humans are inherently good.
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Example: Humans are inherently savage. Humans are naturally selfish and are born to only look out for their own needs and wants. For instance, babies are born crying and screaming for any one to help them get THEIR food to meet THEIR needs ASAP. Humans NEED rules in order to survive together. Without rules, humans would destroy each other and resort to only looking out for themselves and people who they agree with.

Supporting Evidence: Humans are naturally Selfish (www.express.co.uk)
Side: Humans are inherently savage.
JamesDD(10) Disputed
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For instance, babies are born crying and screaming for any one to help them get THEIR food to meet THEIR needs ASAP.

I don't think that's true. They certainly cry and scream, but I don't think you can determine the baby has the intent to scream as a gambit to acquire food. That is a complex thought process which should only develop later in life (usually adolescence, as this is when humans begin bargaining to meet their needs/desires). More likely, I think babies just scream because they haven't got a clue what is going on and everything seems so big and scary. Babies don't even know what hunger is, or how to solve it.

You're right that they will soon learn to scream when they feel hungry. But I think they will do it because they feel hungry, not because they're trying to use emotional blackmail to acquire food. Hope that makes sense.

Side: Humans are inherently good.
Chinaman(2982) Clarified
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Predators—Natural Enemies—Of Chimps And Bonobos

Are there animals that prey on chimpanzees and bonobos in the wild—natural chimpanzee enemies? After all, not only are adult chimps large and powerful animals, but there is safety in numbers, and chimps travel in groups. In fact, there are some chimpanzee enemies and, as with almost every wild animal, the young and the small have the most to fear from them.

Chimps and bonobos are primarily rainforest animals, and the top predator in the African rain forest is the leopard. Leopards rank number two among chimpanzee and bonobo enemies: A leopard is strong enough to tackle a full-grown chimpanzee or even a gorilla, although it would no doubt prefer to attack one of the younger, easier-to-kill members of an ape family.

Do the young and the small chimps scream when attacked by leopards.

Side: Humans are inherently good.