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Are Liberals hypocrites?

I have noticed how liberalism has beliefs that conflict their other beliefs.

1st they're against oil drilling & driving cars then they wear bumper stickers saying save our environment & stop global warming.

Al Gore is the main 1. He came up with global warming & tells us to stop using cars then he flys around in his private jet unleashing alot more green house gases than our cars.

2nd they are against war because they don't want to kill our enemies because they're pacifists & they're completely against death penalty no matter how bad the criminal is. So they're against killing anyone even evil terrorists.

But then they support abortions & killing innocent babies & they spend our tax money on that.

3rd liberals are atheists & conservatives are christians. But then Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, socialist, hippy, & was killed by capital punishment. Shouldn't the liberals be christian & the conservatives be atheist?

4th the liberals are tree huggers who think trees are more important than people then they are vegetarians that only eat plants because they don't want to kill anything.

5th The liberals in congress want to pass a fairness doctrine. Now what's the #1 thing you expect about the fairness doctrine? it's suppose to be fair isn't it? well unfortunately that's the completely wrong answer. It is gonna shut down all medias that don't agree with liberalism & shut up all people who oppose the liberals. It's only fair to the liberals. That's not fairness that's communism. Now can any of you "smart" liberals please explain how that doctrine is fair & how shutting down all opposition is not complete communism?                

6th The liberals believe in political correctness which means noone is allowed to say anything that could offend anyone. For example instead of saying litter you say environmentally challenged. Obama refused to visit Normandy because he didn't want to offend the Germans. They want to make it illegal to say Merry Christmas because the Muslims might find that offensive. So everyone is covered by political correctness. Except Republicans. That's right it's okay to offend the Republicans by saying that they're messed up for not supporting Obama but saying Merry Christmas is bad because it offends the Muslims.

7th Liberals are pacifists. A pacifist is someone who refuses to fight. But then the liberal celebrities go work in pro-war pro-violence action movies. Why do they work in those kind of movies?

Yes

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No they're beliefs match

Side Score: 94
5 points

People are hypocrites, liberals are people, therefore liberals are hypocrites.

Side: yes

Which is the same as and as truthful as...People are hypocrites, conservatives are people, therefore conservatives are hypocrites.

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

Yes, of course. One of the the most hypocritical people that I know is a hardcore conservative. Everyone has their own ideology, but they're based on ideals, or thoughts conjured up to tame an imperfect world by making it more imperfect. Ideals are not facts. Human nature is factual, concrete and seemingly unchangeable. So no matter what you think about the world, you're not seeing it as it is, only seeing it as it should be... which is hypocritical to begin with because your ideas that you conjure up about reality are not in accordance with reality at all. Ha.

Side: yes

Yes I know people are hypocrits. & there's things conservatives are hypocrits on too. But liberals think it is because they are pro-life & pro-war. That's not hypocritical. They are pro-life because they want to protect innocent babies & they're pro-war & pro-death penalty because they support killing the guilty.

I could go over about conservatives being hypocrits later.

But I'm talking about if the liberal beliefs are hypocritical.

Side: yes

If by "hypocrites" you mean that they are capable of entertaining opposing/conflicting views at once, then yes. ;)

Side: yes

Just about everybody I know is a hypocrite. Just about everybody in the world is a hypocrite. Liberals make up a lot of the world. Liberals are hypocrites, conservatives are hypocrites, eveybody's a hypocrite. Face reality.

Side: yes
3 points

Well....

1. This is a specific case for one person here. I don't think the average liberal, who does believe in global warming etc, goes around in a private jet.

2. This is the best point here. It baffles me that liberals are so ready to kill innocent life simply because a woman doesn't WANT to have a child, but they refuse to kill people who have already had a chance to live and have abused this by killing others (death penalty) or fight for an evil dictatorship (war). The child hasn't had a chance to live outside the womb yet, to experience the world away from his mother. This is mostly because they don't usually believe life begins at conception. But even so, so many abortions are performed after "life begins", according to the average liberal. Our own president believes abortions should be legal all the way up to the day of birth! At the same time, he doesn't like the idea of war (he's pulling out of Iraq) and wants to abolish the death penalty. The deaths that would come from these two events are of people who have lived and have done bad in their lives (not necessarily the soldiers themselves, but what they fight for or what they stop us from getting to). I've never understood why this is the case, but I tend to go the opposite of this, which makes sense since I'm more conservative. Give the unborn babies a chance at life, don't allow convicted cold-blood murderers a second chance, and don't stay neutral in a time when the world needs your help in fighting an atrocity like the holocaust and Nazi Germany (as an example).

3. Interesting thought. Isn't it possible that liberalism and conservatism go through cycles? The liberals try to change things, but once they get things their way they become "conservative" and the conservatives become the new "liberals". I'm not sure if this is true, but it might be a good explanation.

4. Once again, this a personal issue and is specific for each liberal. Some of them really do care about the forest, but how can he or she survive without sustenance? They're for keeping trees, but they eat vegetables, not trees.

Supporting Evidence: Obama on abortion (www.associatedcontent.com)
Side: yes
2 points

Okay and to amend this for numbers 5 and 6, which have been added on recently...

5. This is completely unfair. For a plan to be "fair", this bill would be unfair to all conservative news networks. At the same time, however, it doesn't seem this would do much harm to the media, seeing as most mainstream media is liberal. Fox is conservative, but other than that news networks are on the liberals' side.

6. The main reason these people make the movies and star in them is for the money. This is also a private matter, but these specific examples show how much greed is a part of our society and the lives of these actors and directors.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"For a plan to be 'fair', this bill would be unfair to all conservative news networks."

BTW, there WAS "conservative" talk radio before the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed.

"Fox is conservative"

...and it would not affect Fox "News" at all, since that is cable TV, not public airwaves, period.

Side: No they're beliefs match
3 points

Yes, liberals and conservatives can both be hypocrites. But, liberals tend to be more hypocritical than conservatives. (;

Now democrats, they are straight up hypocrites.

And people it's "hypocrite", not "hypocrit".

Side: yes
2 points

ummm. well the same liberals who did anti war protest in the streets, burned things and broke windows during the Iraq war, all of a sudden became war genesis and said how obama made sense when he decided to send troops to Afghanistan starting the war over there all over again. so i thinks its obvious to see there hypocrites.

Side: yes
1 point

Everyone's a hypocrite whether you like it or not. Liberals is included in everyone.

Side: yes
1 point

I think that the Democratic Party along with it's members are at times hypocritical. As I also agree that at times the Republican party and it's members can also be hypocritical. If one is bold enough, to say to everyone around them, to proclaim as proud as they would shout an announcement of victory, that they have never once gone against what they preached, then they are not only a liar, but self righteous, and selfish. If you look back upon the history of any person, you will undoubtedly find hypocrisy in their past. Regardless of their sexual, racial, religious, or Political orientation, you are bound to find hypocrisy. Therefore, I say Yes. Liberals are AT TIMES hypocrites. Though republicans/conservatives, members of the green party, the independent party, and all other political orientations, are at times as well.

Side: Yes on Condition
0 points

Democrats are all like "hey lets not drive a car to save the environment" but the drive them any way those idiots

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

Wow, how ignorant does one have to get to join this site?? Dems are for more fuel-efficient cars, and they actually passed an increase in CAFE standards to back that belief up!

Side: No they're beliefs match
7 points

"1st they're against oil drilling & driving cars then they wear bumper stickers saying save our environment & stop global warming."

This is because there is no alternative yet, they are really pushing for people to develop alternatives. This is the same as someone saying "I hate my job" and still going to work every day. Sometimes you just have to deal with things as they are.

"Al Gore is the main 1. He came up with global warming & tells us to stop using cars then he flys around in his private jet unleashing alot more green house gases than our cars."

Well, Al Gore isn't the embodiment of the liberals, he's an individual with a lot of money, that needs to get places. I'm sure if there was a way to get from A to B in the same amount of time, be able to take as much with him, be fairly safe, and cost as little as taking a private jet, he would already be pushing it on other people. I know, he should do a lot different but this is America, he's a free individual and he's not overstepping any known laws by taking his jet so what are you going to do?

"2nd they are against war because they don't want to kill our enemies because they're pacifists & they're completely against death penalty no matter how bad the criminal is. So they're against killing anyone even evil terrorists."

They aren't against war, they are against violence. To solve a math problem it's more effective and useful to do it by well, doing the math problem... not by crumpling up the paper and wiping your ass with it. There are ways to solve problems constructively, war just takes away the part where you have to reason through your problems and makes it about killing, eradicating the problem. Nothing is learned, if ever again there are "evil" terrorists, just war them, don't worry about what they were fighting for, why they were so pissed off, just fucking murder them all to and we won't have to worry about it anymore. It's always who's strongest, not who's right.

"But then they support abortions & killing innocent babies & they spend our tax money on that."

Because they don't think that law has the right to dictate whether or not someone should have a child. The government doesn't have the time to deal with SO many people and their particular situations to know whether or not they can have a child. Let the soon-to-be parents decide because they know what their situation is like. Anyhow, the government can't force people to have sex to create children, why should they have their hands in any other part of the process?

"3rd liberals are atheists & conservatives are christians. But then Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, socialist, hippy, & was killed by capital punishment. Shouldn't the liberals be christian & the conservatives be atheist?"

This is retarded.

"4th the liberals are tree huggers who think trees are more important than people then they are vegetarians that only eat plants because they don't want to kill anything."

GTFO TROLL

Side: No they're beliefs match
5 points

well, some liberals can be hypocrits. but liberalism itself isn't hypocritical.

really, the same can be said for Conservatives.

Side: No they're beliefs match

This is one of the most illogical debates ever put up here at CD. Where on earth did you get your information from or did you hear it from another and post it here? These things make no sense whatsoever so please, back up your statements with facts.

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

Most debates here are the most illogical debates ever put up here at CD. Oh well though, I'm still hopeful that everyone here will grow out of their pull-ups and become jaded by these types of "debate".

Side: No they're beliefs match
4 points

Ya, I agree with the first. This whole topic is brutally written. No real facts supporting any of the outlandish claims.

Liberals are pacifists? From where, what source, who said that? Gimme some proof.

If anything, Fairness Doctrine would be good for Conservatives since there's always been a left-leaning media.

You suck!

Side: No they're beliefs match
frenchieak(1131) Disputed
3 points

The Fairness Doctrine would not be good for Conservatives.

It doesn't matter if there is a left-leaning media, it goes against what most Conservatives believe in. The Fairness Doctrine would take away the freedom that people have to say what they want when they want to, and it would restrict the freedom of businesses even more than today.

Bad idea!

Side: yes
Cerin(203) Disputed
2 points

The Fairness Doctrine was originally implemented as a way to prevent things like a liberal-focussed CBS, or a conservative-focussed FoxNews. The point was to stop any one political party from monopolizing the media, and present both sides of an issue.

Pretty big coincidence that Fox News came into existence only came into existence shortly after the doctrine was removed in the late 80s, and went on to be one of the most controversial and biased networks on TV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fox_News_Channel_controversies).

It's not such a big deal now with the advent of the internet. Now anyone can be heard, regardless of how moronic they may be.

Side: No they're beliefs match

Well we all know those things.

I don't get why they call it fairness when it is unfairness.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"The Fairness Doctrine would not be good for Conservatives."

Once again, there WAS such a thing as "conservative" talk radio before the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed!

"The Fairness Doctrine would take away the freedom that people have to say what they want when they want to"

None of our rights are infinite.

Side: No they're beliefs match
0 points

liberals are pacifists there is no question to that. I got it from everywhere.

& how is the fairness doctrine good for conservatives? it is shutting them down & having a 1 party media

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"liberals are pacifists there is no question to that. I got it from everywhere."

LMAO! What a non-response. You REALLY show your age with these nonsensical posts yanno.

"how is the fairness doctrine good for conservatives? it is shutting them down & having a 1 party media"

Ummm, that's NOT what the "Fairness Doctrine" was about, period.

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

1. Liberals aren't against driving cars. Most liberals I know make a point of driving the most fuel efficient, non-polluting cars possible. Contrast this with most conservatives, who drive huge gas-guzzling SUVs that get 2mpg, and then whine about how the U.S. is addicted to foreign oil.

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

Liberals are against oil burning cars & any other machine that runs on oil.

Not all conservatives drive huge SUVs. They are complaining about foreign oil because the foreign companies are greedy & it costs money to transport the oil.

That's why we need to drill here & get OUR OWN oil.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"Liberals are against oil burning cars & any other machine that runs on oil."

Wrong again, and again NO FACTS to back up your wild claims.

"They are complaining about foreign oil because the foreign companies are greedy & it costs money to transport the oil.

That's why we need to drill here & get OUR OWN oil."

What?? Domestic oil companies aren't greedy?? The USA has NEVER been able to pump anywhere near enough oil to come anywhere close to meeting the current level of oil demand!

Side: No they're beliefs match
Cerin(203) Disputed
0 points

Burning oil pollutes the air you breath, and causes the smog you see in cities. Since you're clearly pro-oil, I have to assume you're also pro-smog and since smog causes lung cancer, also pro-cancer.

However, drilling domestically isn't going to change anything. We already drilling domestically, and it destroys the environment. Even if we drilled in the few places we aren't already (e.g. Anwar, offshore, Yellowstone, your backyard), we'll still never have enough domestic oil to fuel all the cars we own.

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

If liberals are hypocrites, then what does that make conservatives? The term liberal simply means open to change. Change is what conservatives should do, become sensible, logical, intelligent, less greedy, etc. If anyone is a hypocrite it is those damn conservatives. Just what do they conserve? I know that it is not the amount of crap they dish out. Rush Limbaugh is their idol, what more needs said.

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

2. They're against the war because it was founded on lies. Most are against the death penality because several "evil criminals" sentenced to capital punishment decades ago were later proved innocent with the advent of DNA evidence. Once you kill someone, you can't un-kill them. But if you incarcerate someone, you can always let them out again. Doesn't the Bible say something about "though shalt not kill?"

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

3. This is an argument against conservatives. That fact that the conservatives' stereotypical idol was killed by a philosophy they endorse, proves liberals philosophy's are more sound.

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

I could argue against conservatives too but right now it's against the liberals.

Jesus aparrently was killed by capital punishment but he aparrently was killed wrongly & he didn't deserve it.

Conservatives support executing the child killing pedofiles, the cold blooded murderers, the terrorists, & other evil worthless people. I support the death penalty too because I don't think we should be using OUR TAX MONEY we worked hard for to keep them alive forever when there's alot more important helpful stuff we need to be spending it on.

Side: yes
1 point

7. Could you please back this up with proof? I don't see "pacifism" included anywhere on descriptions of Liberalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism).

Note, being opposed to wars founded on lies isn't being passive. It's called not wanting our soldiers killed over lies.

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

liberals believe in pacifism. There's just no question to that.

wikipedia doesnt have all the information about that.

& even if we were going to war based on facts the liberals are always gonna be protesting against the wars.

They think we should just talk to our enemies.

Side: yes
MisterGuy(1) Disputed
1 point

"liberals believe in pacifism. There's just no question to that."

I don't believe in pacifism, and I'm a liberal!

"even if we were going to war based on facts the liberals are always gonna be protesting against the wars.

They think we should just talk to our enemies."

Nonsense. Your hero Reagan talked to the USSR. Wake up & learn something!

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

5. Not all liberals want the fairness doctrine. No one is seriously considering bringing back the fairness doctrine. I'm really not sure where you're getting this. Please do some research before labeling all Liberals hypocrits because one Senator mentioned he liked the fairness doctrine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_Doctrine#Reinstatement_considered).

Side: No they're beliefs match
2 points

most liberals want the fairness doctrine. nancy pelosi, harry reid, obama.

Side: yes
ledhead818(637) Disputed
2 points

Ok first of all you are a moron. You say most liberals want the fairness doctrine and then you name three liberals. Unless there are less than 6 total liberals, you are really foolish. Furthermore how do you know those three people support it. According to an Associated Press report Obama has not intention of re-instituting it. http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D96JF8V00&show;_article=1

Side: No they're beliefs match

Liberals are intellectuals.... or at least, they think they are ;)

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

"3rd liberals are atheists & conservatives are christians. But then Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, socialist, hippy, & was killed by capital punishment. Shouldn't the liberals be christian & the conservatives be atheist?"

Many liberals are christian, agnostic, jewish, etc. This is a stereotype, not a valid argument.

"4th the liberals are tree huggers who think trees are more important than people then they are vegetarians that only eat plants because they don't want to kill anything."

Vegetarians eat plants because they have to eat something, and they are choosing the least sophisticated form of life to kill....and liberals don't think trees are more important than people, I mean, some may, but the majority don't. Most environmentalists see protecting our environment as necessary for protecting ourselves and future generations.

Now, as far as the issue of abortion goes, you have a point as far as extremists on that issue go. For example, partial birth abortion advocates really can't argue that it's not a child. So unless their argument is while life is of immense value, and shouldn't be taken in war, a woman's right to choose is more important still than a child's right to live(which they could argue). In this case, they wouldn't be hypocrites. I would disagree with them strongly, but they wouldn't exactly be hypocrites. However, people who believe only in early abortions may not believe that the fetus is a person at the early stages of pregnancy, and this wouldn't be hypocrisy.

Also keep in mind that some liberals may agree with most of the liberal ideology but not all of it.

In short, while it's true that some liberals are hypocrites(just as some conservatives, moderates, independents, etc. are), your arguments are mostly invalid.

And for the sake of everything holy, it is their, not they're in this context. X_X

Side: Some are But many are not
1 point

Oh wow your logic or lack thereof is shocking.

1) The opposition to drilling for oil is environmental due to the severe damage it causes to wildlife. Liberals do provide a solution to gasoline in that they suggest we conduct more research into alternative energy.

I don't think Al Gore said, guys don't use your cars everyone bike. His goal was to bring attention to global warming.

2) The vast majority of liberals wouldn't advocate killing "babies" because they don't believe the moment a sperm cell enters an egg it is a human life.

And spending tax money on abortions for people who can't afford them has significantly reduced the crime rate, so it's actually a good expenditure.

3) Liberals are not automatically atheists and conservatives are not automatically Christians. Furthermore just because one fictional character was liberal doesn't mean everyone who is liberal should believe he is god

4) Ridiculous generalization I am not even going to address.

5) Actually the fairness doctrine requires that news outlets present both sides of controversial issues, not just the liberal side. I happen to disagree with this, and I'm not sure it's a universally supported liberal position. And you don't even know what communism is please google.

6) I don't even know how to respond to this insane statement.

7) All generalizations and nonsense just like most of your statements.

Whether or not you disagree with liberal positions, they are not internally conflicting.

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

"So they're against killing anyone even evil terrorists."

This is silliness. Name one Liberal that is against killing a known terrorist.

"But then they support abortions & killing innocent babies & they spend our tax money on that."

Ummm, aborting a fetus is NOT ending a real, live, viable, human life, period.

"liberals are atheists & conservatives are christians. But then Jesus was a liberal, pacifist, socialist, hippy, & was killed by capital punishment. Shouldn't the liberals be christian & the conservatives be atheist?"

Wow, never met a religious liberal eh?? Expand your mind & your experience level kiddo...

"the liberals are tree huggers who think trees are more important than people"

Ummm, no they aren't. Again, name one liberal that has ever said this.

"It is gonna shut down all medias that don't agree with liberalism & shut up all people who oppose the liberals."

Ummm, you really need to learn what the "Fairness Doctrine" is all about. There was "conservative" talk radio before the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed yanno. Also, all it says is that when one uses the PUBLIC airwaves, that one should try & give equal time to opposing arguments. Simple & easy.

"The liberals believe in political correctness which means noone is allowed to say anything that could offend anyone."

Sheer nonsense.

"They want to make it illegal to say Merry Christmas"

Completely untrue.

"Liberals are pacifists."

Not all of them are, period.

Really, your level of knowledge on so many issues is very, very week kiddo...

Side: No they're beliefs match
1 point

first of all. YOU are the one labeling them as liberals. i dont think you have heard any of these people calling themselves that. if they walked up to you and proclaimed themselves to be liberal and then did something contrary to it then they are hypocrates.

Side: No they're beliefs match

Liberals are wonderful people and care about the poor and the middle class.

Side: No they're beliefs match
0 points

4. Could these arguments be any more childish? "Tree huggers" don't like trees because they don't want to kill anything. They like trees because they improve our environment. Also, it should be noted that vegetables are not trees.

Side: No they're beliefs match