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Debate Score:122
Arguments:101
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Are mormons Christian?

 

I was with one of my friends who I recently found out was mormon and then my friends had

sort of a religious social gathering which I felt escalated when one person said to my mormon friend

that mormonism is debated if it is apart of Christanity or not. Personally, they both view the

concept of Jesus which should give enough proof that they are indeed devout Christians. 

Yass

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Nah

Side Score: 59

In order to be categorized as a christians, there is only one rule.

You have to belive in God, The Holy Ghost and Jesus as seperate beings, but in a way the same person. It's .. complicated, but that's important anyways.

From what I've learned, mormon do believe in both God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, which qualifies them into the christian gang.

There are A LOT of different christian religions, but for example Jehova's Witnesses are not considered christian, because they don't believe in Jesus Christ as a saviour.

Side: Yass
Sinknight(522) Clarified
1 point

In bettering my understanding on this matter:

If there is a fundamental standard in being a Christian, couldn't other groups see that standard differently otherwise? Or is what your mentioning just from what your branch of Christianity states and not the general mass (the other thousands of Christian denominations.) Jehovah Witnesses believe they are Christians in their own sense of Christianity, does that make them wrong? (http://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/are-jehovahs-witnesses-christians/ )

Side: Yass
shoutoutloud(4302) Clarified
1 point

What I mentioned in my argument is just what I heard. I'm sure people have different aspects of what a christian is, so that's a good point.

Although if you think about mormonism in particular, it is not very different from lutheranism. Sure they have their extremities, but so do the amish.

Jehova's witnesses on the other hand have a very big difference from all other christian religion. Lutheranism, babtism, cathlolics, mormons and pilgrims all believe in God, the Holy Ghost and Jesus Christ, but the jehovases do not.

In my opinion that makes them really different from the rest.

Side: Yass
1 point

Mormons self-identify as Christian. Gallop and other major polling organizations treat them as a Christian demographic. The only people who seem to think that Mormons are not Christian are those Christians so insecure in their faith that they cannot share a label with different denominations.

Side: Yass

In my opinion, Yes. They believe in Jesus Christ that would automatically define them as Christian.

Side: Yass

Mormons believe in Jesus, therefore, Mormons are Christians.

Side: Yass

Are cats felines?

Side: Yass

Personally, I think Christians don't want Mormons to be associated with them because they are pretty much an embarrassment to Christianity.

Side: Yass

This, more or less. It's an understandable position to take, really, in that light, even if it's not technically correct.

Many protestants would love to label the Catholic and Orthodox churches as not being Christians either, but know that nobody could ever take that seriously; as such they tend to fall back on their local definition of 'true Christian' to exclude the Catholics.

But the Mormons? My brothers church (Southern Baptist) refers to them as a cult, without mincing any words. Again, not really factually correct, but communicates how they feel about the Mormons pretty effectively.

Side: Yass
2 points

They reject many fundamental doctrines of Christianity such as the divinity of Christ as eternal Son, the sovereignty of God, and salvation by grace through faith.

Side: Nah
Sinknight(522) Disputed
4 points

However if all branches of Christianity follow different standards, doctrine, ideals and concepts, what makes Mormons any different from the 30,000-40,000 Christian denominations who go by different beliefs? Is there even a common mold for a Christian to go by?

Side: Yass

Get ready for your mind to be blown by the awesome power of Lolzors Christian faith.

Side: Yass
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

The last heresy--salvation by grace through faith--is the most important. Paul explicitly condemns anyone who believes otherwise. The other two are necessary conditions for salvation by grace through faith. Likewise, any doctrine that is contrary to what the Bible teaches is not Christianity. It doesn't matter what this or that denomination might want to think, it is nevertheless heresy.

Side: Nah
1 point

What makes you think Mormons don't believe that Jesus is the son of God?

Side: Yass
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

They believe in a polytheistic version of Jesus, him being one of many gods, humans being some of them. In their sense, multiple people are divine, and there is no real distinction of Jesus and us, apart from Him having died for salvation and having been perfect.

Side: Nah

Please show me a link. .

Side: Nah
2 points

Mormons aren't Christians. Here are some things that Mormons believe.

1.God came from another planet

2.God is a man with a body of flesh and bones

3.There is a mother goddess

4.God and his goddess wife are married

5.You can become gods

6. Jesus died on the cross in America

7. Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

Side: Nah
4 points

1. That doesn't really make them any different from the ''normal'' christians. You believe he lives somewhere not in this universe. I don't see the gigantic difference there.

2. And you believe Jesus was a man with body of flesh and bones, and you also believe Jesus is God - so .. technically you believe God is a body of flesh and bones.

3. Catholics worship Holy Mary

4. Babtists believe that when you are getting babtized, you are marrying God. What's the difference between God being married to everyone who's babtized, and him being married to one particular person?

5. Plymouth Brethren, if you've ever heard of that, believe that when you are saved, you and God become one - that must mean you are God, right? Therefore are you able to become a god.

6. Sorry, but what is different from him dying in this place or another? Geography doesn't make the belief in itself different, in my opinion.

7. Christians believe we are God's children, and Jesus is God's son - therefore Jesus has a lot of brothers and sisters.

I don't see the massive differences.

Side: Yass
Srom(12207) Disputed
3 points

That doesn't really make them any different from the ''normal'' christians. You believe he lives somewhere not in this universe. I don't see the gigantic difference there.

I believe He is outside time and space because He is the Creator. There is a difference because God never came from a planet. He came from Heaven not from a planet.

And you believe Jesus was a man with body of flesh and bones, and you also believe Jesus is God - so .. technically you believe God is a body of flesh and bones.

Jesus came down from Heaven and was God in the flesh when He was on earth.When God is in Heaven, He has a totally different body because it's a heavenly body not an earthly body as it says in 1 Corinthians 15:40.

Catholics worship Holy Mary

Yeah and they aren't supposed to worship Mary. They are supposed to worship the Creator.

Baptists believe that when you are getting baptized, you are marrying God. What's the difference between God being married to everyone who's baptized, and him being married to one particular person?

No, when you're getting baptized. It's symbolizing the Resurrection of Christ. (Romans 6:4) When you go down into the water you're simply burying your old sinful past. Then when you come up from the water you're made new and can start a new life and not doing the things you used to do.

Plymouth Brethren, if you've ever heard of that, believe that when you are saved, you and God become one - that must mean you are God, right? Therefore are you able to become a god.

We can't become like God because we fall short of His glory. (Romans 3:23) And there is only one God so we wouldn't be able to become a God.

Sorry, but what is different from him dying in this place or another? Geography doesn't make the belief in itself different, in my opinion.

He never died in America to begin with. He was crucified and died in a place called Golgotha which is outside of Jerusalem. He died once. He didn't die again once He died again in Jerusalem. Mormons believe He died in Jerusalem and then He went back to America and did the same thing, but that's not what really happened. He died once and He said, "It is finished." So therefore, He didn't really need to die somewhere else geographically since it was paid in full the first time.

Christians believe we are God's children, and Jesus is God's son - therefore Jesus has a lot of brothers and sisters.

Satan and Jesus aren't brothers though. They are enemies and God will bring forth justice on Satan and his minions when Christ comes back. Satan was a created angel and Jesus is the Son of God who was always there from the beginning.

Side: Nah
Paradox44(736) Disputed
2 points

Think about this critically. Your number one completely contests the notions of creation. God cannot be a creation from another planet when he existed before the planets. How can you create something that has existed before you? Also no finite object can create an infinite object. The universe is not infinite. God is. Thus the universe cannot have created God.

Also becoming one with God through faith doesn't make you God at all. Only three components of God exist. Becoming one with God is symbolism for the close relationship one has with God when saved from damnation.

Side: Nah
Warjin(1577) Disputed
2 points

Correct me if im wrong but isnt being a Christian someone who follows Jesus Christ? That being said Mormons are Christians then, just as Catholics and any other religion that uses Jesus are there savor.

Side: Yass
Paradox44(736) Disputed
1 point

Yes, but keep in mind that means they must follow his teachings. If you do not follow his teachings, and believe in him, you are not a Christian. I'm not sure the Mormons follow everything Jesus has said. The Mormon faith inherently creates problems if one relates the two in an attempt to match their similarities.

For example. We know God didn't come from any planet if he created the planets. He cannot be created by the planets if he existed before the planets. That is inherently contradictory.

A mother goddess is never mentioned in the bible (at least to my understanding). The bible makes it clear that there is only one true God.

Another odd belief is the notion that humans can become Gods. Again, there is only one god. God only wants to have one god in existence which is himself. No man shall rise and contest him.

I don't understand the notion that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers. I don't see the relation, but I don't think it's impossible.

Side: Nah
Srom(12207) Disputed
1 point

I'll correct you, it's about following Jesus's teachings, and the Bible says that it's Jesus and nobody else. Mormonism says that you have to work to get to Heaven and Jesus. And that's wrong. It's only Jesus.

Mormons believe in a different Gospel. It was founded by Joseph Smith who believed to see an angel who he believed was from God. The Bible clearly states that if another persons or an angel from Heaven preach a gospel different from what Christianity taught they are accursed.

Below is scripture evidence.

"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God's curse!" - Galatians 1:8

Side: Nah
2 points

I completely agree. They are no where near in any agreement with what the Bible says who God is nor what the Bible says who Jesus is. They don't believe the essential teachings of Salvation.

Side: Nah
2 points

It all depends on what you define as a "Christian." If you define Christian as simply anyone who follows (or claims to follow) Jesus Christ, then from that point of view the Mormons are Christians because they believe/follow Christ. However, the definition of Christian is not just someone who claims to be, it is whether or not they have received Christ as Savior. You can go to church, be a "good" person (although this is actually impossible according to the Bible) claim the name of Christ, live according to his rules, tell people about him, and do the best you can for your entire life, but you are not Christian and are not saved if you have not received Christ as savior. The reason that so many hate "Christians" is because there are so many who claim to be Christian but are hypocritical. I mean, I am Christian (by that I mean I have received Christ as Savior) and I can't stand hypocritical people who claim Christianity Those people have distorted the name "Christian" to where most hate when the term is even brought up, because they picture a moronic self-righteous hypocritical jerk with zero amount of reason and that believe without intellect in their mind. Whether or not you call yourself "Mormon" or "Christian" is irrelevant. What matters is if you believe that 1) everyone person ever born is sinful in the eyes of God because of Adam's sin, 2) We can do absolutely nothing to make up for our sin (including church, morality, being a good person, not sinning, etc.,) 3) Jesus Christ was a part of God's essence that was born into a person, 4) that Jesus lived a perfect, sinless life, and therefore was a just substitute for us when he died on the cross, 5) that Jesus took our punishment and was substituted for every sin that the human race had and ever would commit, 6) and because of this there is nothing we can do to receive forgiveness from God for our sin except by believe and accepting Christ sacrifice and Christ's sacrifice alone, and 7) that there is nothing we could ever do to lose our salvation, because Jesus died for every sin we would ever commit. If you believe essentially in only these things, then you are saved and by definition "Christian." However, if you believe you must do something in addition to Christ's sacrifice to be saved, you are not Christian, because Jesus did all the work for you, and from my experience from Mormons, Mormonism generally believes that you must do good works in addition to believing in Christ.

Side: Nah

WHAT DO YOU MEAN, "ARE MORONS CHRISTIANS?" EVERY RELIGION HAS THEIR FAIR SHARE OF MORONS, YOU... wait.... oh... Mormons.... never mind ;)

Side: Nah

A Christian is someone who recieved Christ as personal Lord and Savior. Why is it important to recieve Jesus as Lord and Savior? Because were sinners and we need a Savior. We are helpless and need to be saved. We can't save ourselves through being a good person but through accepting Jesus's sacrifice on the cross to pay for your sins. Why trust Jesus? Because he is the Son of the one and only God. That Jesus is 100% equal with The Father and the Holy Spirit. There there is One God and three persons which are all equal in intrinct,power, etc... We can trust Jesus because he is God and is that perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus has always been God. Salvation is free and has been paid for by Jesus sacrifice on that cross. The only thing we need to do is believe in what Jesus did on the cross and his purpose for doing that. That is was his Grace that he did that. Then ask Jesus to save you from Hell and to be your Lord and Savior of your life. If you have done that then you have recieved Jesus as your Lord and Savior. But Mormons do not believe the Essentials of the Christian Faith. Part 1

Side: Nah

They are far from Christian. They dont have the essential beliefs that the Bible teaches. They did not recieve Jesus therefore their not Christian. Like I have said before: If you have recieved then you are a Christian. Christians are Christ like because when they recieve Jesus they have a new nature that is similar to his. You only get that Nature when you recieve Jesus as Lord and Savior. You get Saved and Born Again when you ask Jesus to come into your life. You must be Born Again to have his( Jesus) nature thus being Christ like. Therefore you must be born again to be a Christian. Mormons do not believe that. Mormons believe that Jesus was an Angel. They believe that Elohim(God the Father) had sex with Mary and created Jesus. That is Blasphemy. They do not believe that Jesus is just as powerful as his Father in Heaven. Christianity is Monergistic Monotheism while Mormonism is Synergistic kathenotheism(Henotheism). They say they believe the Bible but if you really look at their other books you would have to say to yourself: They have some serious misinterpretations of the Bible. You must use Logic and Reasoning when it comes to Extra Biblical references. In other words; Whenever you look at other references that is "Bible related" you must use Logic and Reasoning to interpret and accept extra references as true. Part 2

Side: Nah

Mormons believe the 3 other books that Joseph Smith created. And claim that they believe the Bible. This is were Logic and Reasoning comes in to play. I will give an example in Mormonism when you can use Logic and Reasoning; Here is the Issue: Is Joseph Smith a False Prophet? Well lets reason it out. We believe the Bible is true. What one was made first: The Bible, book of mormon, pearl of great price, or doctrine of covenants? The Answer is The Bible. Those other books were made in the 19th century. Then since you know that the Bible came first then you must look at what the Bible says. The Bible tells us that there will be false prophets. At the end of the book of Revelation(in the Bible) it says not to add anything else in the Word of God and the Bible. God would of added the Mormon books in the Bible. The Bible says not to add any words to his words. Jesus said to watch out for false prophets. The Bible is complete and anything else outside of the Bible is not to be trusted by its words alone unless it be fully backed up by the Bible. Those books pick some verses to support the beliefs of the "credibility" of his vision. But those verses are used out of context. And Logically we can look back at the Bible and see that any prophet outside of the Bible is a False Prophet. The Bible warns of false prophets. Many centuries later this "prophet" claims to be prophet because he sawl a vision. The Bible warns people to not believe any Gospel that is preached outside of his word(The Bible). So what is a Prophet that is not preaching the true Gospel? A false prophet. Therefore Joseph Smith is a false prophet. That is one example of how to use Logic and Reasoning when dealing with Philosophy and other things. There are many other reasons that prove that Joseph Smith is a False Prophet and that Mormonism is not Christian. Part 3

Side: Nah
1 point

Their view of who Jesus is is completely different. Christians believe Jesus was God and part of the trinity. Mormons don't believe in the trinity but believe Jesus was a lesser God to the Father and the first spirit child.

Side: Nah