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 Are people who think they're smart actually dumb? (22)

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Are people who think they're smart actually dumb?

Have you noticed that people with a high opinion of themselves might actually be less intelligent?

Or that people who think they know things 100% actually are very wrong, while people who are not always sure of something are often correct?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning-Kruger_effect

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4 points

I think so...

Whenever someone refers to themselves as being smart or having a high IQ I wish they would get inundated with questions about what great things they have accomplished with their exceptional cognitive ability. Of the genuinely smart people I have been lucky enough to know I notice something peculiar. They are always on about what they don't understand, and what they are trying to find out.

Outstanding observations! Both phenomena I have observed and played with myself.

2 points

everyman who knows a thing knows he knows not a damn damn thing at aaaaaaaallllll...

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To think one is smart is dumb.

Thinking that you, a tiny irrelevant and pointless dot in the gigantic universe, is smart.. it's pretty dumb yes!

You can be smartER than other people, but to think you are smart is not very smart.

2 points

Psh, I'm smarter than everyone on this Earth. Ask me a question any question and I'll answer it accurately with my large hideous cranium.

Micmacmoc(2260) Disputed
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What is the millionth digit of pi?

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Depends on what you mean.

The millionth including the first digit '3', or the millionth after the decimal point?

If it's the first one its 5, it's the second one its 1.

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What was my grandmother's last words?

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Emperor(1348) Disputed
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I was thinking about this earlier today.

I could say to someone, "I will tell you the absolute truth about what ever you want to know."

And if they say something stupid like that, I would answer with the honest answer, "I don't know."

That is the truth, just like I said.

2 points

There's probably no real correlation between how smart you think you are, and how smart you really are. It's very difficult to compare yourself with other people because you see yourself from the inside, with all your failures and successes, and you see other people from the outside, which is only the part that they choose to let you see. How can you compare that?

I remember reading a study once that compared what people thought of themselves, and what other people thought of them. It mostly focused on their effectiveness at work, not on how smart they thought they were. Anyway, the study found no correlation between how effective they thought they were, and how effective other people thought they were. I think the same probably applies to this question as well.

2 points

People that claim they're smart, seldom are. One doesn't have to prove that which is true.

1 point

I don't think so. Some people know they are more intelligent than most people and they ACTUALLY ARE. It varies on the person and their real intelligence level.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
1 point

Yes, I would say I am smarter than some people just looking at my past writings on here.

I am writing a paper on psychology and I am reading Understanding Physics, by Isaac Asimov.

But I do not consider myself a genius or even above average. Perhaps I am born dumber than average.

However, I do feel a lot more curious than other people. I understand that I don't know everything and never will, but that's exactly why I continue studying and learning. Someday maybe I will know everything. I'm fine if I don't. I just enjoy experiencing life and knowing things.

Yet, looking at some debaters on here who seem to act as if they were right by default, so incredibly right that they don't bother explaining why someone should believe their point, have misinformed opinions and information and just a lack of curiosity to want to know why other people think differently, I wonder if I might be the same way.

LeRoyJames(372) Disputed
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I also think you have a pretty good head on your shoulders, based on your writings, but I don't really think you can compare yourself to others in this way. You've obviously done a lot of thinking about the subjects you post on, but you're comparing yourself to others who have done less thinking on these subjects. You're writing be look more thought out than theirs is, but that doesn't mean they're less intelligent. They might just have interests in other areas. Some of them may know a lot about cars, or history, or international relations. They may not speak as intelligently about science, but that doesn't mean they're not smart.

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Curiosity is a sign of intelligence - you cannot be intelligent without curiousity. I have read some of you debates and arguments, Mackindale, and I think that you're intelligence is above average.

But I do think that you can be intelligent and know it. Just thinking you are intelligent does not make you stupid - and vice versa.

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Not necessarily. If someone who is smart thinks they are smart, then i guess they're right. Stephen Hawking doesn't think he's stupid. Einstein, though a failure at school, didn't think " oh i'm stupid." Yes some people who go around saying "im clevererer than you!" are most likely stupid. But not all the time.

Emperor(1348) Disputed
2 points

Actually, that's a myth about Einstein.

He was actually a genius in school, out surpassing nearly everyone else.

He did have some complaints regarding the school system's authority complex, but otherwise, he was really a genius.

Jungelson(3959) Clarified
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Ok, well, thank you for the information!

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Some of them are but, well, I'm one of those people with a very high opinion of himself, and I really don't think I'm dumb; apparently Chuck and ThePyg agree, to an extent at least.

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I think a lot of people who think they are intelligent may not be, and a lot of people who think they are not intelligent are. It works both ways. However some people who think they are intelligent really are intelligent - there are seven billion people in this world, and therefore making generalisations would rarely be 100% correct unless you just give a fact.

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The true smart people know they are smart. They have high levels of reasoning skills, empathy and whatnot, enough to be honest with themselves. Actually, they know they are smarter than the vast majority of people in the world, but they don't dwell on the fact- that's arrogance. They also understand that they have to use their inborn giftedness/whatever to do productive stuff, as opposed to strutting around proclaiming their intelligence.

However, these people are much rarer than the overwhelming percent of the population who think they are smart when they are actually just average/act smart, which is (maybe?) part of the reason why this debate was started.

So, I guess you could say it depends on a case-by-case scenario.

Its better to keep the thought of being smarter than others to oneself. Its judgmental and it's also an opinion. The only smart people who think "other people are dumb" are IMO the ones that keep it to themselves and try not to judge others. I mean who recognize its a flaw and not a good thing. If someone can recognize that and change to be less judgmental of others then that person is smart for making the right positive change...

unless someone can differentiate thinking of oneself as smart from thinking the average person is dumb. I'm probably dumb for calling the average person dumb because that makes the dangerous assumption that they are dumber than I am.

Its sort of a superiority complex. lol jk.