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Debate Score:20
Arguments:15
Total Votes:27
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Are strong worker unions necessary for a fair and equal society?

Please elaborate.

Yes

Side Score: 12
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No

Side Score: 8
2 points

Labor Unions are the reason we ever heard of a 40 hr. work week, overtime, paid vacations, paid health care, and wage negotiations, equal pay for equal work … and that's just a start! It's what made America great, originally! If we want to keep capitalism …. and I DO, we need SOME control over the would be oligarchs. Reagan took most of that away. Since then the "middle class" … that MADE America great, has dwindled to an almost imaginary status, wages have stagnated and those with the money that should be growing in workers savings accounts, paying for their children's education, keeping families healthy …. is, instead, floating many yachts, paying many illegals to mow the lawns of mansions and Trump's Golf courses.

The FIRST STEP in making America great again is giving SOME power back to the people, who, at this time, have very little! Union YES!

Side: Yes
1 point

Labor Unions are the reason we ever heard of a 40 hr. work week, overtime, paid vacations, paid health care, and wage negotiations, equal pay for equal work …

Which was logical at the time. Now leftists use positions that used to be well intentioned and use them not to equalize power, but to monopolize power.

Examples?

Feminism got women equal rights. Now it's basically a sexist, bigotted, man hating cult seeking a matriarchy. Gay rights got rights for gays. Now it wants to force you to make things that go against your beliefs, such as wedding cakes. Unions got people reasonable accomodations and pay. Now they are terrorist organizations that force you to join and attempt to hold companies hostage.

Leftist Cenk Uygur, founder of the Young Turks, is learning this in real time the hard way.

The Young Turks' Progressive Founder Urged His Staff Not To Unionize

-Huffington Post

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us 5e540686c5b6ad3de3823a32/amp

Side: No

I definitely think unions are a good start. Without them there is an imbalance of power which never favours the worker.

That said, they are susceptible to corruption and self-interest exactly the same as any other organisation which operates and does business in a capitalist society. The mafia has a long history of strong-arming unions.

Side: Yes
1 point

The power crazed unions of the 70s destroyed the British motor and motor cycle industries in the U.K.

During Harold Wilson's socialist government also in the 70s public transport workers were on union led strikes along with most of the utilities.

The unions along with Wilson and Callaghan had the U.K. effectively hammered into the ground and Britain was known as the sick man of Europe.

''Put a beggar on horseback and he'll ride to hell''.

Aided and abetted by the Socialist government of the day that's exactly what the irresponsible unions did, only they took the whole nation along with them for the ride.

It wasn't until Margret Thatcher, ''the iron lady'', came along and kicked the job destroying union leaders into touch did the country begin the long road back to economic recovery and re-establishing its self-respect and international reputation as a place to invest.

When the executives of the global multi-national corporations were satisfied that the unions were a subdued force did the U.K.. start to see inward investment again on a massive scale.

Permit unions to have too much power and before long the TAIL WILL BE WAGGING DOG with the inevitable disastrous results.

Side: No
1 point

Most, if not all employers know that they must treat their employees fairly or they will lose them to the competition

There is no place in today's workplace for unions and their despotic.power hungry, Marxist leaders.

The one thing unions cannot do is create employment, but they showboat by making threats and unreasonable demands from the employers to impress their members who are fleeced through their 'union dues' by these latter-day protection racketeering gangsters.

Side: No
0 points

In a fair and equal society you wouldn't need them .

Side: No
1 point

So you think a fair an equal society is not something you create? Just something that magically appears?

Side: Yes
Dawazilu(139) Disputed
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So you think a fair an equal society is not something you create? Just something that magically appears?

No.

Side: No

Are strong worker unions necessary for a fair and equal society?

No, because in a Capitalist, free market society like America, employers know that if they don't pay well, you can go down the street and work somewhere else. And if your occupation takes some level of training or skill, losing you is not a good option, especially in a vastly competitive market.

Unions are an archaic entity that was useful before the amount of businesses competing against each other exploded. In America, they are pretty much useless and just in the way. Far left Progressive, Cenk uygur, is getting a taste of this reality as we speak.

The Young Turks Union Fight Gets Nastier With Charges of Retaliatory Firing, Withholding Raises

https://inthesetimes.com/working/entry/22350/the-young-turks-union-cenk-uygur-labor-organizing

Side: No
2 points

employers know that if they don't pay well, you can go down the street and work somewhere else

But what do we then do when the employers collectively decide to underpay their employees? Like they have done in the US.

Side: Yes
0 points

But what do we then do when the employers collectively decide to underpay their employees? Like they have done in the US.

They haven't done this in the US. Employers literally compete with pay to hire the best in their field. What you are claiming is not generally true, and people in any field that would choose to do that can face employees quitting, crushing their industry via competition with other industries for employees.

Side: No
1 point

employers know that if they don't pay well, you can go down the street and work somewhere else.

This statement is only true when unemployment rate is low, and there is a demand on workers. When the unemployment rate is high, and jobs are in demand, this principle doesn't work.

Side: Yes
0 points

This statement is only true when unemployment rate is low, and there is a demand on workers.

Sounds like an excellent argument to guard against illegal immigration.

When the unemployment rate is high, and jobs are in demand, this principle doesn't work

It works less. We now have a Capitalist President. Unemployment was at 3.5% pre Conronavirus.

Side: No