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Teen suicides get me all the time because I don't like hearing another kid took his/her life. I think a lot of it has to do with bullying, lack of friends, and or emotional issues at home.
I don't know which coward is down raving this comment but you need to either dispute the comment or keep it moving because thats all it makes you look like "a coward"
I wish there was an all of the above option. IMO..Teen suicides are due to peer pressure which leads to drinking and/or drugs, low self esteem, and an unstable home-life. All of these things can lead to psychological problems making it hard for the teen to decipher between reality and disillusion.
as you know, peer pressure is fuckin' stressful in teenager society.
if anyone backbite you like blair who is gossip girl charcter, then you don't want go to school and just being in blue. so, i think teen sucides more due to peer pressure than psychological problem.
I think it's definately due to peer pressure. No kid in their right mind wants to just off themselves unless something bad has happened to them. Usually due to their peers.
Teens vie for popularity. Bullying is rampant and causes a chain reaction. Father gets bullied by his father, then he takes his anger out on his peers. The peers feel pain, and can only take it out on others, or kill herself/himself. And then these fucking scientists say that beautiful people are more popular, and that certain people are born to be inferior, can do nothing about it, and cannot get a mate, or the luxuries in life. They say that only beautiful people are much more outgoing and get a mate. My mom was voted shyest in High School.
Wait. Are you saying that there are people out there saying, "If you want to join our club, you have to kill yourself. Go ahead. What are you chicken?" and people actually do it? This is better than freeway shootings ;)
Wait. Are you saying that there are people out there saying, "If you want to join our club, you have to kill yourself. Go ahead. What are you chicken?" and people actually do it? This is better than freeway shootings ;)
There is no doubt in my mind that social issues play a key role in many teen suicides. They tend have a very short and narrow worldview: it can be difficult for them to view their pain as being temporary, or that the social shunning they have received is not the worse thing that can happen. And going through various hormonal changes during growth and puberty can potentially make the situation worse.
The thing is, though, almost all kids deal with peer pressure, with being bullied, with family conflicts etc. Its pretty much a part of being a kid, and most kids don't turn to suicide as a solution. Those who do, much like adults who attempt suicide, have some kind of emotional imbalance going on that overrides our more common tendencies towards self-preservation. If someone is suffering in this condition, pretty much any stress can push them over the edge. Peer pressure is a major cause of teen suicide, but I suspect that is mostly because our teens are so heavily focused on that aspect of their lives. In Japan, poor educational attainment is at least as big of a cause.
It is a weak mind which would allow peer pressure to override its drive to survival.
Teen suicides due to peer pressure are a sign that there was major psychological problems.
Not all teen suicides are due to psychological problems though. A fraction of teen suicides may be due to early existential crises,experiences of absurdity,etc
I disagree primarily because any one subjected to certain treatment can have suicidal thoughts, i admit they may not all act on them but i beleive all peopel are capable of it given extended torment.
peer pressure does not qualify as extended torment or simply torment either, and it is a weak mind which interprets it as such.
I have been subjugated to a good amount of peer pressure, bullying, etc in my past, and have had suicidal thoughts but those thoughts where never due to peer pressure, bullying, etc. The opinions of a modern western teen's peers should never carry that much weight. If it does the mechanism which controls loyalty to a group and/ir self perception among others is faulty. Perhaps due to the way a teen was raised, or perhaps due to biology; either way something simply wasn't right cognitively. The drive to survive should reign supreme despite the apparent opinions of what are bound to ultimately be and ultimately are insignificant people.
Firstly, i wasnt talking about peer pressure, OK. It doesnt have to be bullying or peer pressure, there can be a multitude of causes. Also, i reject the insinuation that somehow my beleif in extended torment leading to suicidal thoughts demonstrates that i have a weak mind. Who are you to say such a thing, you dont know me, you dont know what ive been through in my life. Also, i will openly admit to not being any where certain in my opinion on this matter, for the simple reason that we are debating patterns of human behaviour which are impossible to predict. My view is that pain and extended torment in the variety of forms that it exists can and will drive everyone to suicide. You talk about the "drive to survive" reigning supreme, have you ever read about life in one of Stalins Gulags, try spending ten years in one of those, if your still alive and still glad to be after i admit you were right.
All people are not capable of suicide given extended torment. I experienced peer pressure and bullying but i never once thought of committting suicide. Instead, i found alternative ways to deal with it. And i was only 14 at the time. So not all young people who are affected by peer pressure will resort to suicide. Thats like saying all people who are raped will kill themselves after they are raped.
I'm sorry but i have to respectfully disagree, i think if you are subjected to a never ending torment, it doesnt have to be bullying, it doesnt have to be pain or peer pressure it can simply be a deep disaitfaction with your life, the feeling of wanting more but never being able to obtain, it can be work, it can be so many things but i honestly beleive everyone is capable of suicide, i agree some are weaker than others but its like torture (be it physical or psychological) in my opinion theres a way to make everyone crack. I
If you had said that people who are bullied or experienced harsh situations in their teenage lives are at a higher risk of committing suicides then that would be different but what you are saying is that everyone is capable of suicide and if that was the case, then technically, i would have been amongst those as you claimed in your argument that are capable of suicide. A broad generalization of your argument applies to the entire population affected by the issues you have mentioned but it does not mean that they are capable of committing suicides but certainly they face a higher risk. Being capable and facing a higher risk are two different things.
I disagree i think there is a piont when a humna gives up, at that piont they dont want to live any more and would welcome death, so yes i do think everyone is capable of suicide but i beleive some much less prone to act on it. Look obviously i cannot be certain of anything im saying i base this belief primarily on my own human experince, what i have felt, the troubles ive had and my experiences. I also base it on my knowledge of humanity and the philosophy of human nature i have studied, but again i acknowledge that this is wholey inadequate. Still you haven't persuaded me in anyway to doubt those beliefs.
You are making a very broad generalization in your argument. Because some people do things does not mean that an entire population is capable of doing that same thing. Because the crime rate in the U.S is high does not mean that everyone in the U.S is capable of committing a crime. If all humans were to give up then why would soldiers go out to war and protect their country? Because some human beings believe in dying while fighting rather than being killed in submission or taking their own lives in fear or worry. People who commit suicide are in a state of mental disorder which means that they are mentally ill. This mental illness should not apply to all human population. If you are claiming that eveyone is capable of committing suicide, then you are saying that everyone has a mental health disorder which makes it a certainty that everyone will or can commit suicide.
Also, your human experience is different from the experience of others. What you feel is only what you feel but what about others feel? Because you think you are capable of committing suicide because of an experience, do you thinks others are? If that was true, i would have done the same thing or reacted in the same way that you did and there are millions out there that thinks in the same way that i do. You are arguing from a point of causation which is not actually causation but rather, correlation.
I have already done my part in proving to you that your assumption does not explain the assumption for the human population because we all differ in our views but because we do does not mean that we are alwys correct. One person's actions does not reflect an entire population's capability or action. Ask any professor in Philosophy and they will tell you that.
Like i said, if you had said, they face a higher risk of then that is different from using a broad and weak statement that everyone is capable of. The first statment points to a possibility while the second statement points to a certainty and definity without proper proof.
If all humans were to give up then why would soldiers go out to war and protect their country?
What, this proves nothing, this has nothing to do with a human being in a constant state of torment. I can't beleive you even though this was a coherent argument. Why would they go to war, because their not in any state of torment.Also, your answer is just ridiculous, it has nothing to do with what were taking about, of course people will fight and die for what they beleive in but lets take those same peolpe and lock them in a small cage for forty years see whether they'd like suicide then.
"People who commit suicide are in a state of mental disorder which means that they are mentally ill. This mental illness should not apply to all human population."
You say all people who commit suicide are mentally ill, i dont think so. Again, it depends on how you define mentally ill. I beleive that depreeesion and feeling low are a natural state of the human expereince and being depreesed in partr of being alive. I'm glad im able to experience such lows, it makes me glad to be alive but does that mean that the people who take their owns live because of them are mentally ill, I say defintely not. Could they have been mentally unstable prior to commiting suicide, well yes of course, but again this is a natural human state, to label it mental illness i find quite shortsighted. BTW this "mental illness" doe apply to the whole population, many never to experience some of the lows others do thats just life but subject if them to the right conditions and set of circumstances.
Again, i have to disagree, but agin there no way to prove what im saying. My experience tells me that given enough pain and torment all people will crack, its inevitable, obviously i base a large part of that opinion on my own experiences but i also on thse of others and the study i have done of history and psychology and philosophy. I admit the human will is a very strong force but its not invincible.
"One person's actions does not reflect an entire population's capability or action"
Im not disputing that but i dont beleive it can be used to support your argument.
Look i admit (as i did previously) i dont have proper proof, not even close to it but neither do you, whether you think you do or not. Your belief is just as uncertain as mine.
The point of me using these soldiers as an example is the fact that if they were scared of losing or giving up, then they would not risk their lives to defend their countries so yes this argument does apply to the topic at present discussion whether you think so or not. How would you know that soldiers are not in any state of torment? Are you saying at soldiers who defend a country that is constantly attacked by terrorists and can be killed in battle are not in a state of fear or torment at some given point? If not, then you need to wake up and realize what reality is.
As much as you claim that depression and committing suicide is not a mental disorder, i can produce you with endless evidence pointing to suicide as the product of a mental health disorder. When a person is in a state of depression or risk of committing suicide, then why do you think when you are admitted in a hospitol for attempting to commit suicide, the doctors would place you in a psychiatric ward for observation and place you on mental health medications? You are placing a weak support on your arguments based on your personal opinions and personal experiences and you are letting these get in the way.
One person's actions does not reflect an entire population's capability or action. Why would this not support my argument when it has to do with what we are discussing? Let me make this simple for you. If you are saying that the entire population is capable of commiting suicide because a few are capable of doiing it, then this statement is connected to my theory.
My belief was confirmed after i read the textbook "Juvenile Justice." Your beliefs are based on mere personal experiences.
I disagree with that argument completely, im sorry i really am i just dont think thats a valid argument. Im not saying that their not in a state of fear and torment but they are conditioned in their training to be prepared for whatrs facing them. They know before hand exactly what they are getting themselves into and the accept it.Also, do you not think the terrorists as you called them, i call them people, the US army are much bigger terrorists than any of the ones to which you are refering.
Anyway, the example has nothing to do with human endurance under extrenme conditions, soldier serve their time in the army, sometimers they see fighting, most of the time they dont, i acknowledge the stress and fear invloved but beyond that it really isnt that hard on the human spirit i.e. not comparable to torture or slave labour etc. etc. I mean im not saying suiciode and mental disorders arent related at all, what im saying is that the range of human experience is vast and that when people are subjected to unbeleivable pressure they can crack and commit suicide (or least contemplate it and wish for someone else to kill them), and yes leading up to this they can be called mentally unstable but that in no way means that they have som kind of underlying mental illness, i find that idea repugnant, im sorry.
So, what i can present you with endless evidence to the contrary, as ive said fromthe beginning it doesnt prove anything, aside from the fact that the person was having such a hard time that they were driven to suicide.
They place you into a psych. ward cause you are clearly unstable. Look if you want to be all high and mighty and think that everyone who ever commited suicide wasnt right mentally than fair enough but i profoundly disagree, given enough time both you and i would wish for death and may very well act on it. Also, mental health medications (e.g. anti-depressants and downers) are used to alter the persons mood by physically altering the nuero chemical recptors in the brain. I do condone these practises but if they help a person get thorugh a difficult period in their life i cant erally speak out too much against them.
Now look if you want me to base my arguments on philosophical truisms and psychology theory i can do that as well, if you think my arguments are that weak, but i think your arguments are just as weak if not weaker for the simople reason that as far as i cabn see your arguing in the exact same way that i am i.e. from personal experience. Now, of course my experiences have shape my opinions and beleiefs but i wouldnt be able to call myself a rationalist if i didnt back them up with credible philosphical, psychological and literary sources. Also, i dont just base my opinions on my own experiences i have examined many others and as far as i can see any one is capable of (at the very least) wanting to die. Why do you think so old people who are suffering in pain and sickness want eutanasia.
Ok, ok look i said fromt the beginning that the bounds of current human knowledge do not permit us to know for sure one way or the other. I beleive what i believe becasue it makes sense to me, now you cite a book you have read that confirnmed your beleif. Well no one book confirmed my belief but a number of books did have an impact on me in regards to how the human species behaves. "Straw Dogs" by John Gray is an excellent but very depressing book, George Orwells 1984 is also very good as is a brave new world. Also, the Nihilism inherent in Nietzsches philosophy as well as the John Paul Satres philosophy have both definetely helped shaped my views on this matter. But again i must conclude that human experience is a varied and somplex thing, i still must reiterate though that i beleive given enough torment any human will crack in one form or another and then death is welcomed.
Ok let me make a different approach to my argument. All humans are structured differently. According to how we think and act depends solely on how our brains are developed and structured. That explains why some people commit crimes while some do not and why some are diagnosed with depression while some are not. Humans are a category of living things that compete for survival. Their bodies and systems are designed in such a way as to allow them to compete for survival and to never give up. You said in your argument that when people are under pressure they crank and commit suicide but not everybody who crank will be capable of committing suicide. I assume when you mentioned the term "crank" you are referring to mental break down. But if a person is in a state of mental breakdown then that leads to mental disorder which makes up a portion of the population. The remaining amount of population chooses different alternatives because of their survival techniques.
How do you know that i would wish for death given the fact that you hardly know me to make such a statement? The point is, i am trying to raise your awareness that when you think you know what goes on in the minds of others, you really dont know. I did read the material you present me with and i found the following problems. The first problem is the fact that the authors rely on various theories to prove their points. None of these theories provided any scientific data to confirm the reliability of that information. They did not mention if their theories were developed after doing interviews but lets assume that they did, do you think that if 200 people are interviewed, and all 200 people admit that they have the capability of committing suicide, do you think that the opinion of those 200 people represents the opinion of those worldwide? If their theories were indeed correct, then why did they not provide scientific explanations or pictures of the brain showing what part can trigger a suicide and what portion of the population is affected by this brain problem? You cannot rely on philiosophy alone to prove your point on a topic that has recieved worldwide scientific attention.
Firstly about your comment with old people. I used to work with old people and still does on a part time basis and so far, i have not come accross a single old person that was affected by pain that wanted to die. Instead they found alternatives to deal with their problem. I have had friends who died with cancer and before they died, they were in so much pain they would cry but never once did they think of committing suicide. I am not disputing your personal experiences but all i am saying is the fact that you cannot use your personal experience to construct a general theory unless you have credible scientific evidence to prove otherwise.
Also, apart from the book i cited, i have read several texts including pyschology and criminology texts that have never mentioned all humans are capable of committing suicides and i am a person that have memorized all the textbooks from page to page that i have read.
I remain in profound disagreement with almost everything your saying, i completely disagree that all humans are structured differently based on brain chemistry, and thus some are capable of crime and some are not. That to me seems very nieve, everyone is capable of crime, to say that some people will commit crime based on genetic programming while others wont i think is ridiculous, govin the right situation everyone will commit crime, even out of desparation. have you ever heard of Malows Hierarchy of Human needs, it is a theory in psychology detailing how people will risk their live in order to survive and obtain food. So everyone is capable of crime, even the people that you may think are not capable of commiting a crime, if they has a different upbringing in rough crime ridden area then they would not remain law abiding citizens, i can assure you. Again, i can not empahise enoug how ridiculous that sounds to me.
Now i feel your just draggin up old gorund to be honest, i will re-iterate everyone is capable of getting to the stage where they would wish for death given enough torment.
I dont need to know you, to know that nuder that right circumstances you would admit defeat in your struggle for survival. I dont need to know what goes on in the minds of others to know that if those others were subjected to enough torment in whatever form it may take for a long enough time they would lose the will to live. Firstly, i disagree that the authors relie on theories to prove their pionts, have you read any of the books i mentioned or are you just saying that.
I dont what your talking about here with interviewing people, i can see what your getting at but that has nothing to do with the books i mentioned, you clearly have no idea what those nooks are about. I dont what your talking about, you say i cannot rely on philosophy alone, i fully agree. Yes it has recvied worldwide scientific attention but it hasnt proved anything. Not even close.
Just because you personally havent met an old person who wantred to die means nothing. All your saying is you havent come into contact with a person in enough pain to want to die.Why do you think its legal in Holland, because people want the ability to kill themselves if they are in too much pain. Now different peopel have different pain theresholds, some are stronger than others and will cling to life at lot harder but ebryone has a limit, at thasts what i think. I agree completely that you cant use personal experiences, as ive said from the beginning your not gona be able to prove me wrong in any conclusive way but at the same time im not gona be able to conclusively priove you wrong.
Again, we can get into a bog discussion about this book or that book, i have read plenty of books myslef on human nature and humanity in general, i dont agree that just because in the books you've read they havent mentioned humans being capable of commiting suicide that, thats not the case
First of all, you are so caught up in your own perceptions that you profoundly doubt every argument i am trying to make. If humans are not structured differently based on their brain chemistry then how come some people are diagnosed with depression while some are not? How come some commit crimes while some do not? Dont say you disagree alone, answer the question directly? If your general theory applies to all humans, then how come everyone has a different DNA that separates them distinctly from others of their own species and provides them with human identity? Oh wait, you are going to say this is irrelevant to the topic at issue but if you are able to apply your critical thinking skills, then you will figure out where i am going. If everyone is capable of committing crime then how come out of the world's population only a portion commits crime? If you think my theory is ridiculous based on the commission of crime, then why dont you prove it otherwise with evidence and not just your opinion? And as far as i am concerned, Maslow's Hiercharchy of Human Needs speaks of the needs human have inorder to survive. It speaks nothing of how people risks their lives. Rather it speaks of the things people need for survival as humans. I have no idea where you are getting your perceptions from. And note, in your argument you mentioned "risk their lives to survive and obtain food." If people will risk their lives to survive and obtain food (as you mentioned), then why would suicide come into play if humans are competing for survival (even though Maslows Hiercharchy did not mention anything to do with fustration and risks).
If you feel that everyone is like that (capable of committing suicides) then prove it to me. I am tired of hearing mere opinions and personal experiences from you. Debating is all about evidence and not just as i mentioned earlier.
How can you make a judgment about me when you dont even know who i am or what my personal beliefs are or my inner strengths are? Would you judge a book before reading it? I am proud to say that your perceptions of me are wrong so you can say whatever you like or jump to what conclusions makes you feel ok but it does not change the fact that i am in no way, capable of committing suicides.
If you disagree that the authors relies only on theories then why dont you prove otherwise to me? Dont just say you disagree without proving why you did. And if i didnt read those books, would i be able to come up with those questions based on my observations? And whether i read the book or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is you answering the questions i asked you where i questioned the methods used to gather information in the evidence you presented.
Let me restate the thesis of my argument. Some researchers build theories on interviewing people and based on the answers given from those interviewed, they are able to formulate theories. It is just like testing products on animals to see if it works. It has to do with the books, because how did they formulat the theories mentioned in the books? And assuming that those theories were developed by interviewing a given portion of people (e.g 1000). Do you think that the views of 1000 people reflects the views and opinions of hundreds of millions of people? Can you stop judging me about who i am and what i read and what i know? All those are irrelevant and just makes your point weaker and weaker as you are engaging in slippery slope in your argument. I dont just debate, i examine facts and then formulate questions from those materials i observed. That is the reason why i am in law. I am all about evidence and not just opinions or experiences or mere theories.
Thank you, you made my point here. If just because i havent met an old person who hasnt wanted to die means nothing then just because you think people are capable of dying because of your personal experiences then that means nothing because not everyone is capable of what you are capable of. So what if people wants to kill themselves in Holland? Its their body but do you think the entire population will kill themself? I have already prove you wrong so my aim here is not to convince you but to create a loophole in the arguments and evidence you have presented to support your claim.
I have no conern about what books you have read, if you cant answer my questions based on those books named earlier in your argument, then that means, not even you really know the materials you have presented me with.
I will admit to the fact that some people may be more predisposed to depression but in answer to your question some people are diagnosed with depression because their own personal life experiences lead them to be depressed, others dont becasue they are satisfied with their lives.
Some people commit crimes becasue they are raised in an environment where commiting crime was deemed somewhat acceptable, or their parents were criminals, or they just simply needed to commit crimes in order to sustain themselves for food or whatever etc. etc. .... the possible number of explanations for this are endless and i cant beleive you could say it has anything to do with how the human brain is hardwired, becasue it doesnt, i already said i find the whole idea ridiculous and consider anyone whos beleives it very nieve.
You clearly havent had the kinds of life experiences i have had. Look i was Vietnam during the summer, they are nicest people on the face of the planet, hoestly they are unbeleivable nice, but they will rob you if the get the chance becasue most of them are dirt poor (at least by western standards), by your logic all vietnamese people are hardwired for crime, i think its more to do with the poverty their subjected to, but hey thats just me.
Look im an engineer and scientist so please dont try to lecture me on DNA. What your describing is proves nothing, ok. Your completely missing the the fact that humans enter this world as blank slates and are molded by their life experiences, this is what i beleive to be one of the dominant factors in making them criminals or depressed (or whatever).Look im a rationalist and somewhat of a reductionist so i do sympathise with some of the views you're espousing. In the whole nature vs. nurture debate i am quite undecided, at a push id probably just side with nature (having the greatest impact, at a push) but when i encounter someone with views so clearly cut on one side (like you) i immediately revert to the other in order to defend the position.
In the worlds population some commit crime becasue they have lifes that make them into criminals, or they get wrapped up in it when they are young (it can happen to anyone) and they know nothing better when they get older. But hey if you want to get into a detalied discussion on why crime exists in this world than fair enough, it exists due to a multitude of factors ranging from he socio-economic kind, all the way down to human nature and the belief and the whole good and evil debate. Crime increases when desparation increases (i.e. people cant afford what they need) or when inequality increases (i.e. peopel dont like it when some are allowed to live in opulence while others struglle to feed their families). How are you even questioning this? This should be immediatley obvious, im beginnning to think your views are quite radical indeed.
Look, i used the example of Maslows hieracrhcy in order to defeat your presumption that some are hard wired for crime.It mentions nothing about huiman suicide or human reactions to stress, i5ts called Maslows Hierarchy of HUMAN NEEDS, so please dont try to use my own example to discredit me.
I have already told you theres no way i can prove it to you just in the same way thats theres no way you can prove it to me. Look if you want to hold the opinion that you do fair enough, i can kind of understand why you might want to but i consider it to be completely false, i can try to explan why i think so but the kind of scientific proof your looking for just doesnt exist, anything we say will inherently contain so level of speculation and conjecture by the very nature of the argument, ive basically been saying this from the beginning.
Stop making this personal you know full well my opinion refer to everyone, ok. I dont know you, you may be a strong person, i dont know, but do i think given enough time you'd give in and wish for death, yes i think so. Try spending 20 years in one of Stalins Gulags, then come back to me.
You said nothing about the contents of those books so i really dont see why i should have to explain them to you. Look my friend i dont know what knowledge you have of psychology and philosophy but in those fields there are very few well established laws, itsn not like science where a hypothesis is put to the test, yields useful verifiable results and then gets accepted as a theory which subsequently is verified by thousands indepedently, leading to it becomes so well accepted and ubiquitous that it becomes a physical law.
Psychology and philosophy arent like that due to the subjective nature of those disciplines, many peopel even question whether psychology can even be called a science, philosophy is a haff house between subjectivity and objectivity. My piont is that those fields are predomintly populated by theories becasue most never get to be tested in a way that verify them as being a law, so your criticism of the fact that the authors relie on theories i find quite weak indeed.
Ok, prove to me you read those books and ill take your criticism of them seriously.Its not irrelevant, you didnt read the books, you dont have a clue what your talking about im afraid your just ranting cause you dont like the fact that i disagree with one of your core beleifs.
No most reserchers base their theories on significantly more than what you described, what you descried is a wholey inadequate basis for any theory. I cant beleive you thinkkn im this stupid, or maybe you think your that smart. I'm sorry but you dont know what you sre talking about. you've mentioned this sample of 1000 people before, for the love of god man im a scientist, ive studied statitics at an extemely advanced level, ive done experimejnts and had to formulate hyptheisis based on them. Do you have any idea how much your insulting my intelligence right know. I know you think that argument to be valid im just trying to tell you its worthless and it only demonstrates your inability to see that. I tell you what go to local university, go up to a professor and show him the argument you just presented to me and see what he sayd, ok.
Look i havent been judging you and im sorry if i gave you that impression, i know the previous paragraph wasnt exactly the kindest but seriously i dont even know where to begin with that argument.
Look, fair enough, your in law, im an engineer ok, i examine facts, in fact its my job tov get the facts right.Your job is to get the facts distorted enough to favour you and your prospective client,, no offense but if your representing a known criminal whos guilty your job is to twist the facts to get him off, i dont have such an obligation. But this is irrelvant anyway, were not discussing anything that can be scientifically verified (yet) so why are you getting your panties in a twist when i disagree. If it cant be validated scientifically its open for the most ridiculopus conjecture, our arguments are reasonable another person may claim the suns electromagnetic rays causes suicide, i cant prove him wrong either.
No i think given the right circumstances they anyone in the population has the capacity to kill themselves or at least wish to be killed. But look your right i dont know that conclusively, i cant say with 100% certainty that everyone is capable becasue, in fact the second somebody does prove it the novelty inherent in our strange universe will know doubt throw up someone who can withstand any amount of pain and torment without wishing for death or trying to take his own life.You havent proved me wrong, when did you prve me wrong, SHOW ME EXACTLY WHERE YOU PROVED ME WRONG MY FRIEND ID LIKE TO KNOW, SERIOUSLY. I never said anything with 100% percent convisction but i dont recall you defeating any of my argument but hey maybe you did so SHOW ME.
This i find kind of insulting. Look i know you dont have any concern about the books i have read, ok smartass. You were the one who tried to validate your argumeent by mentioning "Juvenile Justice." Up until that piont we weren't tallking about books at all so dont make it seem like i decided to bring that element into the argument. So what question of mine have you answered based on readin your book, huh? Do you know how hypocritical you sound right now, jesus. The books i named i understand deeply ok, im just not gona even try to described them to someone like you. BTW dont try to make out that i soured this argument becasue you know you did, i can tell from your tone that you've slowly been getting very annoyed with me since i continually disagree with your piont of view, it come across in your wrting.
It doe not mean you are weak minded when you can't handle things you can't control your emotions and with emotions come thought.
And btw peer pressure causes psychological issues it's not just people from school who bully it can be anyone in your life because there still a peer to you.
There are actually a lot of reasons for teens and just about anyone to commit suicide.
But a lot of people aren't going to commit suicide just because they're sad or angry. They usually rationalize it. When someone is able to rationalize something, it's very hard for them to accept that life is worth living.
Peer pressure is the most recorded psychological causes of suicide.But that's it.It's regarded as psychological because the amount of pressure you get from your peers exacts a pull on your psyche
Peer pressure is the most recorded psychological causes of suicide.But that's it.It's regarded as psychological because the amount of pressure you get from your peers exacts a pull on your psyche
This topic has been a very important topic within the juvenile justice system and has lead to the creation of many courts to deal with this issue. So when it may appear to you that it is not an important issue, it is or else it would not have lead to the creation of many courts and agencies to deal with juvenile mental health issues.
There are many courts and agencies over the correct way to bake a fucking loaf of bread. Let's have a discussion about that now huh?
These teens tend to be pampered attention seeking whores. The reason they pop themselves off is because they want to show the world how hurt they were. If we didn't make a big fuss over pussy suicides and helped those who were actually in trouble, the pussies would stop offing themselves and the ones that need help would actually get some.
Sorry, if you can leave out the indecent language then i will debate you. And yes i can answer your question but for a student in law i will not respond to an argument filled with the disposition of indecent language.
Not really. You're just using it as an excuse not to argue. If you weren't a cunt you'd look at the content of the words not just the language I use. But you're a cunt, so doesn't really matter what I say init?
I would agree if you were just talking about emo kids cutting themselves because it's a fashion statement, but we're talking about people ACTUALLY KILLING THEMSELVES. Even if you're a spoiled upper middle-class white kid, if you're pushed that far, then by definition you are one of the ones who is in need of help. You're also by definition not a pussy, since it takes a LOT of guts to be able to overcome the survival instinct, no matter how depressed you are. I agree that we need to help those who are actually in trouble...but people like you are one of the biggest reasons why people who need help DON'T get it.
tl;dr what kind of fucking drugs are you on to say that people killing themselves aren't in need of help
I didn't say they're not in need of help fuckface, I said that they don't deserve it. They are spoilt cunts. They cause their own problems. They moan and complain about the smallest of problems. There's people out there who get stepped on everyday of their lives and there's barely any noise made about them, but as soon as some posh cunt offs him/herself we should make a huge fuss?
It DOES make you a pussy. You're in the weakest state of mind when you're looking to escape problems. There can be reasons to push you to that mentality, but not because your girlfriend dumped you. Not because a couple of kids have made fun of your facebook profile.
Explain how I'm a reason they don't get help? lol idiot... saying sentences just to say it.
Okay, now you're not even making sense. So they need help, but they don't deserve it because it's all their own fault? If it's all their own fault and they could magically help themselves, then how do they need help?
I would 100% agree with your argument if we were talking about whiny emo kids cutting themselves. We're not. We're talking about people who are legitimately suffering from a legitimate mental disease and are actually affected by it to the point of killing themselves. By the way, no one kills themselves because of the reasons you just listed. You're just making strawman arguments. People kill themselves because they're depressed. And when you're depressed, you can't see the world accurately. Sure, maybe you are causing your own problems, maybe you could solve them, maybe they ARE tiny in the big scheme of things. But either you can't see that--or worse, you CAN see it but still can't seem to make yourself feel better, and so it makes them feel even worse because there's a little voice inside their head making EXACTLY the kind of arguments you're making. Telling them that they're a pussy, that they don't deserve help, that they're weak and if they didn't suck so bad they could get over everything on their own. And people are afraid to get help because they're afraid that if they let anyone know what's going on inside their mind, they'll get judged in exactly that way. And that, by the way, is why people like you are the reason they don't get help. If anyone actually suicidal is reading your posts, then you just confirmed for them all their worst fears. You just confirmed that they're a worthless piece of shit and that everyone is just going to judge them and look down on them for having problems that they can't control.
If anyone suicidal reads your post, you probably just pushed them to go through with killing themselves. And you probably don't even care. Not only that, but you've obviously never been through anything remotely related to depression yourself, or had a loved one go through it. So WHO is the spoiled cunt here, again?
You're lucky to be ignorant enough to be able to say such things.
If anyone suicidal reads your post, you probably just pushed them to go through with killing themselves.
If my post is enough to 'push them through' then fuck it. They're not worth the trouble. There's people with serious problems out there and they get on with life. I know people who've seen their whole family die in front of their eyes and are stronger than the people who kill themselves because 'life isn't going right' - and by that I mean they have a great socio-economic lifestyle but not the, 'perfect' partner (got dumped), 'perfect' family life (parents didn't buy an xbox for birthday), 'perfect' friends (or none) etc. etc.
Not only that, but you've obviously never been through anything remotely related to depression yourself, or had a loved one go through it. So WHO is the spoiled cunt here, again?
Obviously not. That's why I hate that there's people who moan over the smallest things when they wouldn't survive a minute in my world.
Depression IS a serious problem. And you know nothing about it, have no experience of it, and yet you think you have the right to run your mouth about it and judge others who are suffering?
You're spoiled, ignorant, and hateful, and I feel sorry for you. End of story.
Most teen suicides are due to psychological problems even though many are also the result of peer pressure. According to Karen Hess, the author of Juvenile Justice, most of teenagers have been diagnosed with a psychological problem which have resulted in the creation of Juvenile Mental Health Courts. Many suicides are committed as a result of psychological problems which are left untreated and can progress into a more severe and intense stage. For e.g, it is not common to see many young people with depression and one of the main tendencies of depression is to commit suicides. Many parents do not even realize that their children are suffering from depression while many would deny that their children are suffering from depression even after recieving a diagnosis. This can result into depression progressing into a more severe mental health disorder that can result in suicides. It is because majority of the juveniles are diagnosed with a mental health disorder that juveniles mental health courts have been created.
It has nothing to do with being weak-hearted or narrow-minded. It has to do with depression. And comments like this are why people that need help don't get it, and end up seeing no way out and offing themselves.
