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Debate Score:16
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Are the governors, who're opening up their states, bowing to politics or science?

Politics

Side Score: 9
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Science

Side Score: 7

Both politics and economics and the reality that you can't hide from the virus. It will still be there when you come out, so we're going to have to try to function with that in mind.

Side: Politics
1 point

I feel that the governors of the states in question recognize that this Chinese disease is going to last indefinitely and that people cannot live in lock-down for what will be measurable in years, or as is more realistic, decades.

Those who have been sufficiently pragmatic to accept the harsh realities presented by Covid-19 can also see that the economy cannot remain dormant forever.

As these states start to get back to business every precaution should, and of course will be employed to contain the spread of this killer Chinese disease by having everyone wear state-of-the-art personal protective equipment.

Once the wheels of industry/commerce begin to turn again even the implementation of the strictest safety measures will not stop an enormous increase in those contracting the Chinese disease, but this is a reality which will have to be faced up to sooner or later.

The longer it takes to accept the facts the more difficult it will be to dig ourselves out of the huge, ever worsening economic hole in which we find ourselves.

The Chinese have changed the lives of mankind for the foreseeable future and maybe forever, but still there are those who are blinded by hatred and prejudice who will childishly try to apportion blame onto those with whose political ideologies they disagree rather than where it belongs.

Side: Politics
1 point

As governors are explicitly political agents it seems obvious that their reasons are primarily political. Science also does not provide answers to ethical questions, which opening/closing heavily concerns, so it is difficult to see how science could have any especially significant impact on the decision (beyond informing what the costs and benefits of a decision might be, but, again, without guiding how to weigh those costs and benefits).

The impetus to restrict movement and activity is motivated by an appeal to the (alleged) absolute value of human life. The impetus to open movement and activity is motivated by an appeal the quality of human life. Personally, I'm sympathetic to the latter (from the outset, but particularly after such an extended period of time and in light of the growing toll shutdowns are taking on people and social networks).

Side: Politics
0 points

Politics. But people ARE hurting right now, not just from the virus and issues because of it. People need to get back to their jobs. While I think it's premature to open the state and act like it's business as usual, I can see why there is a want to do it.

Side: Politics
Chinaman(2996) Clarified
1 point

Socialist no one needs to work we all should depend on the government to pay us. But stupid where does the government get it's money. Try to stumble through it stupid.

Side: Politics
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

Why do you suppose that 'opening' the state equates to business as usual? I'm not familiar with any state or nation which is pursuing business as usual. Even Sweden, arguably the posterchild for an 'open' approach, has maintained certain limitations that go against 'business as usual'. This rhetoric seems misleading to me, in that it creates an artificial 'all or nothing' dichotomy.

When do you think it would be appropriate to open the state? Many places have been shut down except for essential services for over a month now, and the toll of that is already being heavily felt for many people (economically, psychologically, and otherwise). I'm sympathetic to the call to flatten the curve and minimize the cost in human life, but there is a trade off and the right to human life is not so absolute that it categorically trumps all other considerations (a fact we routinely recognize in other contexts).

Side: Science
Mint_tea(4640) Clarified
2 points

I'm not sure how things are going to change really. I think people believe that it'll be business as usual, I think people are still acting like it's business as usual. Only time will tell if there really are going to be changes made.

I believe it would be prudent to see a reduced number in cases for a certain period of time, like 10 days or so but that's really going to be for experts to decide, before we start opening up businesses. It's even possible that they may need to adjust how many people are allowed in the store at any given time. In all honesty I don't know how they will do that or even what is best, but I do believe just opening everything with no addendum's could bring us right back to another round of the virus.

Side: Politics
0 points

Are the governors, who're opening up their states, bowing to politics or science?

Politics. Science says we'll have a food shortage if we stay closed, which would kill way more than any virus.

Tyson Foods takes out full-page ad: 'The food supply chain is breaking'

https://www.google.com/amp/s/thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494772-tyson-foods-takes-out-full-page-ad-the-food-supply-chain-is-breaking?amp

Tyson Foods chairman warns 'the food supply chain is breaking'

In recent weeks, the poultry producer has suspended operations at plants across the country.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1193256

Side: Science
1 point

Politics. Science says we'll have a food shortage if we stay closed

Food manufacturers aren't closed you lying Nazi wanker. They are on the list of essential businesses permitted to remain open. Lying and science are not the same thing you absolutely spectacular idiot.

Food manufacturers shift into overdrive to keep shelves full

Nobody but nobody is questioning food manufacturers’ inclusion on the list of essential businesses.

https://www.heraldnet.com/business/food-manufacturers-shift-into-overdrive- to-keep-shelves-full/

Side: Politics
Chinaman(2996) Clarified
1 point

Did the Brit Troll that has not OBC call those that oppose it Nazis.

Got something for ya there troll.

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Side: Politics
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

I have yet to see any science which says we will have a food shortage if we stay closed. Paid advertising by obviously motivated, non-scientific entities is itself politics.

Side: Politics
0 points

Meat processing plants across the US are closing due to the pandemic. Will consumers feel the impact?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/26/business/meat-processing-plants-coronavirus/index.html

Side: Science