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Debate Score:13
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Are the records in the Bible real?

*** This debate is only for people who are not sensitive about religious issues.***

Yes!

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No!

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The Bible stands though the hills may tumble

And the mountains fall and the Earth shall crumble

I will plant my feet on it's firm foundation

For the Bible stands.

We know how it ends....Jesus wins, those who trust in Him are saved and will dwell in His Kingdom forever, praising Him, honoring Him, serving Him gladly with all of His blessings of Heaven where no liars, thieves, perverts, drunks or dopeheads, no swearing, no pain, no dying will ever be. Those who hate His word will be judged by His word, according to His word, His word will stand and remain forever, their words will be lost in the smoke of their torments which will rise forever from the lake of fire which is the second death.

Amen.

You will see Jesus Christ the Living God who created you...you will see Him as your Savior who died for you and gives you eternal life, or you will see Him as your Judge with His blood trampled under your feet when He gave it to cover your sins but you rejected His offer and have no way to stand in the Judgement.

Prepare to meet your God.

Of course the records of the Bible are true, and of course the future prophecies will be fulfilled as were past prophecies...and of course the Word of God is life to all

who put their trust in Him.

Side: Yes!
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Sprawled across the page, yes. Of course the records are real. They must be, unless we have all just imagined the same exact bible.

Do I believe the meaning behind the records? No. But it is for certain that the records themselves are real, just not what they have spilled out in ink.

Side: Yes!
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
2 points

I think he was more referring to the context of accuracy, rather than is the words themselves are real.

Side: Yes!
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Compared to any other faith/religion out there, the Bible has the most sources to test it's authenticity and veracity.

1) Logical consistency: check!

2) Empirical adequacy: check!

3) Experiential relevance: check!

Side: Yes!
2 points

Can you demonstrate how the Bible has any of those three please?

Side: No!
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Yes it is a purposeful communication that is full of code, made to be understood only by those with hearts for God.

Seek you will find, it's treasure much is hidden treasure.

If you look for it to be wrong you design a wrong interpretation you fit you view.

82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.

We exist by miracle! Science proves God!

https://youtu.be/EQbrEGP2NAc

We live in a multi-dimensional digital simulation.Our physical reality is a hologram. Perceptive awareness among mankind varies to differing degrees, regardless we are multi-demensional.

Understanding the many dimensions that exist is a conscious awareness by will, free will. Our awareness can be sharpened, or desensitized, or entirely perverted by the the many deceptions that are profusely available for man to choose from. Man has the option to believe whatever the “choose” as truth. But, truth is not subjective. Although mankind chooses to define truth as selective truth, true is truth, not a version of truth regardless of choices.

Man wants often seeks to be decieved. We ask to be lied to for many reasons, to be comfortable, to be at ease, to avoid being responsible, or to avoid being hurt. Mankind is simple, even though they think they are complicated.

Every type of response is found among humans, from apathetic responsiveness, to deniability, to spiritualism, to opening of our conscious to spirits who are bound to darkness, and peole often open to their own detriment to spirits that seek a physical locality, within people as their hosts. And it can be devastating.

Living things need conductive, reactive, and interactive energy to have a physical presence of reality.

Energy infuses the world's atmosphere with electric impulses, conductivity, connectivity, and interactivity. We are created by design, our world is enriched and resourceful, designed pruposely, able to support and sustain the life cycles of our physical reality, even if limited spiritually by this world's darkened reality.

A time sensitive existence throughout it’s designated temporal term, throughout predetermined millennials, likely indicated as six millennials. A physical time period, finate time appointed as bookends.

The makeup of living creatures vary in their life cycle. Some creatured have an eternal by the quality. Pneuma is breathe of the spirit, a consciousness that remains even beyond physical expiration. This is characteristic of mankind, it makes mankind unique among the created living things in our world.

It is that which is directive of the way he/she is presented and reactive in the world around them. It's defining of mankind by their natural physical properties, and also revealing when their multi-demensional reality is considered. This is where individual interaction occurs with good or evil, love or hate, and the spiritual beings of the air, the energy that is all around us, spirits without bodies, who influence man, either in truth or in deception.

Example, the physical properties of humans are reactive by design. They are made with intuitive and perceptive capabilities to discern appropriate response, gain wisdom, understanding, and grow through seeking truth, and weighing experiences according to truth.

Again, though the capability exists, and mankind is accountable to seek truth, man often prefers deceptions of all kinds for many reasons. Deniability is the great lie of this age.

The compete sphere or fullness of the multi-demensional reality that exists is accessible to our minds. But can be limited by blocking reason and logic, and new information by canned thought which minimizes ability to hear or learn anything beyond their preconceived ideas. It's the foolish mind, yet they think they are smart. Even if they look like morons.

Multi-demensional properties of our expansive reality supercede the limited physical properties of our digital virtual reality.

Awareness is a selective process, acceptance of the internal and external existence outside of the physical senses is also selective process. Living in both realities cannot be altered, these exist regardless of acknowledgement.

Each of mankind's progressiive advancement are because of the multi-dimensional mind consciousness, and will consciousness, and emotion consciousness, and memory consciousness, and moral consciousness, and physical consciousness. Man is going backward of progress as nothingness becomes their consciousness.

We have a responsibility to discern and connect with understanding to the energy around us, and the author of each of these attributes of consciousness is God the Creator, we need to connect to light and goodness in the energy around us, and also navigate to avoid falling into a pit. God gives His Spirit to guide, and confirms guidance in writing, which is confirmed by witness and facts all around us so we do not blindly follow deceptions, if our hearts are inclined to know truth.

There are two existing pneuma or winds of influence, or energy in our spiritual and physical realities. We each have one individual life cycle. With one beginning. Throughout one limited or fractional portion of time, called a lifetime.

Our conciousness continues beyond all physical properties of consciousness. So even when our physical presence ceases to exist, our consciousness still exists in a state of continuation of consciousness for the time period of all eternity.

The existence of consciousness is the scientific principle of non-locality. Where divisions are maxiximized to the smallest portion where non-locality is oneness of a whole, without individual property.

Individual property is when the participant is signaled out like picking a formed drop of water from a stream of water with your fingers, or pulling apart a formed piece of light from daylight.

The author of consciousness is the only one who can create a being made up of a multi-demensional consciousness.

There are two beings of influence that compete for the total consciousness of each multi-demensional creatures.

There is the origin, the Creator of our multi-consciousness which has tranquility of cooperation, and light, and love.

We should live without dark resentment of self satisfaction that wars against the oneness of consciousness in pure light, meant for us to experience the fullness of our design and purpose, with the ways of true joy.

At the end of the physical term each will continue to exist in eternal continuum of whichever they chose in the term of their physical existence.

Side: Yes!
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Realtor Biblical accuracy

There are a few versions we should avoid, a few we can depend on. With today's technology which is God's tool even if it appears to be Satan's domain.

God won't let us be hoodwinked, we have knowledge and understanding easily available to guide our feet.

The Blue Letter Bible is helpful, I have been using my app to look at some scriptures on Bible Gateway in side by side comparisons, and if I have questions or if I want it in a clearer way I switch to interlinear so I can see the origin. Below link is a helpful guide to scale versions of the Bible.

eNews for February 23, 2015 (https://www.khouse.org/enews_article/2015/2364/print/)

Here is a resource I recommend with easy reference to original text. Link below to Blue Letter Bible.

Bible Search and Study Tools (https://www.blueletterbible.org/)

There are many free apps and tools to compare to original texts. It's easy!

It's a clear command of God, we should study ourselves approved! There are many tools avavailable, many are free and easy to get and use for everyone. We know God is a God of clarity and precision, and also a God grace. He sent His Spirit to lead us into all truth!

So where we don't know He makes known, and when we do know He expects us to take His Word in seriousness of precision.

So the answer is grace, and He is in control of leading and revealing. And no one can alter His Word, or steer His children.

But He also gives tools for us to be diligent to find treasures and revelation, and to seek precision in handling His Word.

They alter it and those who want their ears tickled will seek that.

But we seek what God says bottom line. And sometimes taking those extra steps in our study is being watchmen of truth. So we can uphold truth over the noise of deceptions, which is emense in these last days.

Lamp in the Dark and Wheat Among Tares are good documentaries about the assault on faith and God's people and His Word.

There has been attempts throughout history and its difficult to swallow, not every translation is credible.

Here is a helpful video to help with studying God's Word.

https://youtu.be/EQbrEGP2NAc

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Side: Yes!
2 points

Of course not. Not even theologically sophisticated theists believe in the literal truth of the bible. Even its account of non-mythological history is about as reliable as the Illiad is for Mycenaean history. The mythological account of creation goes directly against physical evidence; believing it is not faith, it is stupidity.

Side: No!
2 points

As "real" as ANY hearsay can be relied upon. As real as any other mythology ...women with snakes in their head, guys with one eye in the middle of their forehead, wings on their feet ...etc..

Side: No!
2 points

No, the records are not true. Yes, some of the history in the Bible does match that of other written records (i.e. times when certain figures were in power, destruction of Jerusalem), but none of the stories within the Bible exist elsewhere. The only proof that can be provided that the Bible is true is contained within the book itself and by the god that also only exists within it. As this is circular reasoning, using at as proof is nonsense.

Side: No!