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Are vocal opponents of political correctness hypocrites?

Political correctness is when someone says you shouldn't say something.

If you tell someone not to advocate political correctness, you are telling them they shouldn't say something...

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I don't think it's inherently hypocritical, but in my experience the majority of those who freak out over political correctness are advocating their own form of it. It's like those people who go on a 5 paragraph tirade over "outrage culture" because someone didn't like their racist joke.

Side: Yes
JustIgnoreMe(4334) Clarified
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Why would it not be "inherently hypocritical" to criticize someone else for doing the same thing you are doing?

Side: Yes
1 point

Sometimes political correctness isn't about criticizing someone for bad behavior, it is just complaining that people are offending you. In those cases the person isn't being hypocritical.

Side: Yes
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OK, mate...let's break down your argument.

Political correctness is when someone says you shouldn't say something.

Well, so far so good. Almost. It's more accurate to say that political correctness is when someone claims that it is kinder and more fair to use words or phrases that do not insult or demean people. But I'll let you slide on this so far.

If you tell someone not to advocate political correctness, you are telling them they shouldn't say something...

Hmm..not really. For example, I am personally sick and tired of political correctness in this country, and feel it has gone too far and will end-up doing us a great disservice.

But when I tell somebody NOT to advocate PC, I am in reality advising them to DO something. And that is, to call a spade a spade and be blunt and concise.

See? By being PC all the time, it is those people (the PCers) who are NOT doing something. They're not cutting away all the euphenistic bullshit that tends to cloud the point.

It is us non-PCers who are in favor of TRUE freedom of speech. Consequences or the hurt feelings of wimps be damned.

And example of a great VERY non-PC joke I just heard.

The judge of the Special Olympics is handing the winner of the recent 100M run a gold medal for wining. He says to the kid............."I have good news and bad news little Johnny. The good news is: you just won this Gold Medal!

The bad news is......you're still retarded!"

LOL

That joke makes me literally laugh my ass of every time I hear it. Since one of the craziest PC things over the past couple decades has been how retards have gone from, well, retards, to "mentally handicapped" to "special needs." Robin Williams even made fun of that bullshit in a movie where he was a retard and he said...."I feel the same as I did 20 years ago but for some reason today people tell me I am not retarded anymore. Somewhere along the way I passed that and became somebody who just has special needs. But I still forget not to piss in the sink."

Ahh..but I digress.

Oh..another PC term that really pisses me off.

"Baby Daddy." AS in...."Oh...he is not my husband. Just one of my my baby daddies."

Really?

More accurate to say, "Oh, yeah, he is the father of one of my children, but I--being a lazy, welfare-abusing, tramp-stamped, minority slut--ain't married to him anymore and I actually have three ex-husbands who I have had kids by."

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Side: No
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Just flipping the negative command into a positive one would, of course, be easily done by the PC side as well.

E.g.: We aren't telling you NOT to offend people, we are telling you TO be more considerate...

Side: Yes
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Your definition is over simplified.....

Side: No
1 point

What important element(s) am I missing?

Side: Yes
IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
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The purpose of Political Correctness is to avoid unnecessarily offending or disadvantaging people (though that definition tends to be predicated upon "Left-Wing" Political Correctness, and I'd argue that the right has its own form). If I simply told you that you shouldn't have asked that question, that wouldn't be a call for political correctness.

Side: Yes
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The only hypocrites out there are the Democrats and that is very transparent.

Side: No
1 point

If you can't make an argument relevant to the debate, just rant I guess...

Side: Yes
DBCooper(2194) Disputed
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That comment that i made is a relevant argument that is upsetting to Democrats like you.

Side: No
1 point

Political correctness isn't just "you shouldn't say something", that's too broad a term. It's more of a stance that certain things, either said or done, can be offensive to some people and therefore shouldn't be done.

I don't hear of too many people telling others NOT to advocate political correctness, in most instances it is because some people are SO intent on removing all forms of anything that could be considered offensive that they don't care about the context of when or why it was written. Example: Removing certain words from books written when, at the time, it was considered an appropriate identifier.

Side: No
JustIgnoreMe(4334) Clarified
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certain things, either said or done, can be offensive to some people and therefore shouldn't be done

using your words, isn't the person that speaks against people being too PC still doing the same thing?

I don't hear of too many people telling others NOT to advocate political correctness

You must not have talked to a Republican lately or seen the debates on this site (search for "politically correct" or "political correct" with the quotes and you will see hundreds of pages of debates) - lucky you.

Side: Yes
Mint_tea(4439) Clarified
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I think it applies more to a broad spectrum of people being offended over one thing vs. a single person being offended by one thing.

The term "politically correct" tends to be a bit...bastardized by certain groups who like to use those words indiscriminately. Much like the term racist, sexist and so on. When certain people on this site use the word as much as they breathe, I tend to roll my eyes and skim on through.

Side: Yes
1 point

I would have to say no. There is nothing hypocritical about opposing bullshit.

Side: No
1 point

opposing bullshit

Isn't that exactly what the PC advocate is thinking?

Side: Yes
Sitar(3682) Disputed
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PCs are the ones supporting bullshit. For example, PCs support Black Lives Matter and oppose All Lives Matter.

Side: No

You are just expressing an opinion about a particular issue, that's all. You're not trying to shut them down, only disagreeing.

Side: No
AngryNarwhal(30) Disputed
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The same can be said about political correctness, if we are going to talk about both in a kind of macro-level context.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

Political correctness is about rules that force you to avoid saying certain things. It is not about disagreeing.

Side: No
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Not only is your definition of "political correctness" woefully inadequate, but it also doesn't define what a "vocal opponent" of political correctness is.

I am against political correctness, and I'm not telling you NOT to say something, I'm telling you not to censor me. Like, for instance, I personally think that this argument is stupid, but I'm not responding because I wish you hadn't MADE the argument, I'm responding to tell you "I think this is a stupid argument", and progress the conversation.

The problem with political correctness is that it doesn't allow for open conversation, it censors certain kinds of conversation, it disallows for openness in certain forums. When you disagree with that, you are the one hoping to silence others.

Do some vocal opponents want to shut up the "political correctness police"? I'm sure some do; but this question tries to generalize all vocal opponents of political correctness as hypocritical, and by definition that is blatantly incorrect.

Side: No
1 point

Not only is your definition of "political correctness" woefully inadequate

Feel free to suggest an improvement.

define what a "vocal opponent" of political correctness is

Anyone who conveys a message against political correctness in a manner similar to the way an advocate of political correctness would convey their message.

The reason I felt this was an essential element was that a person could be against political correctness, but keep it to themselves - and, in that case, they would not be a hypocrite.

I'm not telling you NOT to say something, I'm telling you not to censor me

Isn't telling someone not to censor you telling them not to say certain things?

Side: Yes