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Debate Score:25
Arguments:55
Total Votes:26
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Are we slaves?

Are we average citizens in capitalist countries like the US free, or slaves?

Yes

Side Score: 11
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No

Side Score: 14
1 point

We are, sort of. We are slaves to the taxes capitalists don't pay, 'cause SOMEONE has to. WE have to keep the infrastructure in good shape so THEY can ship the goods they make tax-free (or nearly so), profits on. Our wages are slave wages (compared to the executives that get ridiculous $$$$ for by SAVING their corporation from paying taxes and showing more profit at our expense). Yep, capitalism! It's a great thing .... until it gets out of control .... and begins controlling the "slaves".

A "touch" of socialism is needed for the slaves, not enough to get out of control like capitalism has. Just enough to help the slaves along while they get capitalism back under control, and the government back under control of "The PEOPLE".

Side: Yes
BurritoLunch(5935) Clarified
1 point

Yep, capitalism! It's a great thing ....

No it isn't, buddy. That's just what you get told 100 times a day.

until it gets out of control .... and begins controlling the "slaves".

What you term "out of control" is capitalism. Capitalism is a system where a rich elite uses the labour of the poor to consolidate its own power.

Side: Yes
AlofRI(3204) Clarified
1 point

I think that's about what I said. You have to consider the sarcasm sometimes.

Side: Yes

Are we average citizens in capitalist countries like the US free, or slaves?

We are slaves of course. Behaviours are tightly controlled, as are the acceptable parameters of discussion. The main difference between modern and historical slavery is that we now consent to it because we are all brainwashed to believe we are free. There no longer needs to be a man with a whip standing over us because our own needs are now the bonds which tie us to disadvantageous situations. Want to get fed? Want somewhere to sleep? Then you need to go do the bidding of someone richer than you. You can't very well live off the land or erect your own shelter now, can you? Besides the impracticality there are various laws preventing a person from doing that. You'd literally need to go live in the mountains to escape your duty to participate in capitalism.

Side: Yes

We are slaves, but not because of capitalism. I personally am a centrist, so I hate extremist dictatorships.

Side: Yes
BurritoLunch(5935) Clarified
1 point

We are slaves, but not because of capitalism.

No, we were already slaves before capitalism, but what capitalism did is find a way to make it seem like we are something else.

Side: Yes
YIsRisenLord(958) Clarified
1 point

I disagree, but it is bigger, than politics. Slavery happened, before God created Adam and Eve. Slavery was invented by Satan, not a human politician.

Side: Yes
1 point

Are we slaves?

Hello B:

Yes, no and maybe.. Are ants free? They certainly are FREE to leave the hive, yet they choose not to. Or, DO they choose? Do WE choose?

excon

Side: No
1 point

False dichotomy. Not free but not enslaved either. Enslavement is one form of restricted freedom, but it is hardly the only one. Merely ask yourself, would you prefer to be as you are or would you prefer to literally be a slave with no control over e.g. whether and with whom you reproduce, whether you can be forcibly separated from your family and friends, etc. I think to most people the choice would be obvious. Contemporary existence is distinct from the condition of slavery but that also doesn't make it desirable.

Side: No
2 points

False dichotomy. Not free but not enslaved either. Enslavement is one form of restricted freedom, but it is hardly the only one. Merely ask yourself, would you prefer to be as you are or would you prefer to literally be a slave with no control over e.g. whether and with whom you reproduce

You have that backwards. There are various forms of slavery, which are not solely confined to tying you up and ordering you to be celibate. If someone is not free to make their own decisions then they are therefore enslaved by something or someone which prevents them from making those autonomous decisions.

Side: Yes
1 point

No, we are not, but of course the loony left wing anarchists will work tirelessly to destabilize society by mischievously trying to convince the weak minded and life's deadbeat failures that they're all victims of a giant worldwide conspiracy to exploit them.

If you are a citizen of a free democratic nation with an economic structure based on capitalist principles you will recognise that you have nigh on total freedom.;-

Free enterprise is the essence of capitalism.

These freedoms include;-

Freedom to start up a business and to, hopefully trade at a profit.

Freedom for people to own and control their possessions as they wish.

Freedom for anyone, but in particular those ambitious and go-ahead entrepreneurs to employ their work ethic, organizing skills, vision, durability, commitment along with the the numerous other character strengths required to be successful.

Freedom of choice to conduct your life within the parameters of your ability and with minimal government intervention.

Freedom to vote for a government of your choice and whose political ideology is compatible with your own.

Even though the left wing thugs have enjoyed a degree of success at violently suppressing conservative opinions being voiced we still have the Freedom to responsibly express our political viewpoints.

Freedom to pursue our religious convictions and worship whatever God we may believe in.

Freedom to leave our country of origin and emigrate to any nation which will be willing to accept us.

BEWARE THE LOONY LEFT'S NARRATIVE THAT THE RICH APPROPRIATED their wealth by fraudulent practices and that they have taken your money.

To repeat;- Life is a competition in which there will be winners and losers along with the middle of the road competitors and the also rans.

It's the also rans who form the nucleus of the loony leftist insurgents whose endeavours are akin to trying to persuade us that all the winners of all sports fixtures are cheating rogues and the losers were cheated out of the winning position which was rightfully theirs.

MAN, MAN OH MAN.

Side: No
YIsRisenLord(958) Clarified
1 point

What is free enterprise?.........................................................................................................................................................

Side: Yes
Miocene(715) Clarified
1 point

A full explanation of the principles of Free enterprise would be wasted on a deadbeat loser such as you.

Best I don't complicate or infringe on your ignorance and permit you to continue to wallow in your lifestyle of drinking copious volumes of beer, eating double cheese burgers with large portions of french fries smothered in mounds of tomato ketchup while lying farting on the couch besmirching the HARD WORKING, job creating, high achieving wealthy.

Yes siree Bob, that's you and your type all over.

MAN, MAN OH MAN.

Side: Yes