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Males and Females equal Females are subservient
Debate Score:21
Arguments:16
Total Votes:22
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 Males and Females equal (11)
 
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Are women finally equal to men?

Have we reached an age of gender equality?

Males and Females equal

Side Score: 13
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Females are subservient

Side Score: 8
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women are competent enough to be treated equal as men. They are given respect and many women are like idol,for example Marie Curie. Women have fought for being treated equal. Men treat women equal, they work together,and in some fields women are better. Men and women share responsibilities such as household task.

Side: Males and Females equal
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I don't give a rat's ass. I know there are some who are MORE than the equal of many men, in one way or another. Was it a couple that became Navy Seals a while ago?? That makes them superior to 99% on men ... in that way.

Why argue about it? Treat them as equals and let them reach their own levels ... just like you would a man! Christianity hasn't in the past, Islam doesn't anyway. both are still learning after centuries ... slowly.

We would have to go back to Adam's first wife, Lilith, to find an equal woman under religions. Story is that she was made from the same mud puddle. When Adam said: "Lie beneath me, woman"! She (allegedly) told him to "pound sand!" (or something along those lines). He cried, and "God" made a woman from his rib. making her subservient. (Oh, the convenience of it!) Thereafter Lilith was reduced to a devil by the men who wanted control. Cute story, but must we continue to live by religious control? Women are human beings! (Well, like men, most of them.) That alone makes them "equal"!

Side: Males and Females equal
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Lower pay for equal work.

Barriers in certain fields of study and certain industries.

Glass ceilings everywhere.

Most often obtain custody of children in divorce (which they usually want but still makes life more difficult)

Get shamed for almost anything ("fat", "too skinny", "slut", "prude"

They have very little representation in government or business/finance

They have much more pressure to look good and act certain ways than men do.

Many religions view them as second class citizens, as do many Conservatives.

Side: Females are subservient
Dante756(77) Disputed
1 point

Women don't earn lower pay for equal work. What's your evidence?

Name a field of study that restricts women.

Name a glass ceiling.

Men are also shamed for things

Women have a majority for electing the men.

Conservatives don't view them as second class citizens, you bigot.

Side: Males and Females equal
Darkyear(345) Disputed
1 point

Women don't earn lower pay for equal work. What's your evidence?

Seriously? Do you just not listen, watch or read the news at all?

http://www.aauw.org/research/the-simple-truth-about-the-gender-pay-gap/

http://iwpr.org/publications/resources/wage-gap-talking-points#sthash.73xZ4i4t.dpuf

An October 2012 study by the American Association of University Women found that over the course of a 35-year career, an American woman with a college degree will make about $1.2 million less than a man with the same education. Therefore, closing the pay gap by raising women's wages would have a stimulus effect that would grow the U.S. economy by at least 3% to 4%

Name a field of study that restricts women

STEM. Women often won't get grants or funding unless they put men's names on papers.

Name a glass ceiling.

Business. There are VERY FEW women CEOs.

Men are also shamed for things

Not as mercilessly. About 3-9 times as many women suffer from eating disorders as men.

Women have a majority for electing the men.

I don't know what you are trying to say here.

Conservatives don't view them as second class citizens, you bigot.

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/08/18/70-awful-displays-of-sexism-on-fox-news/ 204994

Side: Females are subservient
KayneOfNod(317) Disputed
1 point

I take the stance that they are in Western cultures. though worldwide needs some work.

My general rebuttal is "Site Sources"

"Lower pay for equal work" as this notion is often very broken with a con job of numbers. this is often not adjusted for hours worked, as well as many other factors besides sex

See here:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/rss viewer/Womenin_America.pdf

"Barriers in certain fields and Glass ceilings everywhere"

Where specifically? nothing prevents a girl from becoming an engineer or politician. often times the only reason they aren't higher on the ladder is that they tend to quit a job is because they want to quit and start a family.

Divorce law is broken. I'm choosing not to refute this point because there's many ways it's skewed against males in the long run. (IE the woman getting half of everything) One point in the negative for females, does not have the capacity to shift the balance of equality one way or another, because this particular system needs overhaul regardless.

The "Get shamed for anything" issue, well.... get used to real life sweetie. If you place your standards of perfection in the hands of everyone around you, you're not going to be happy with yourself. Men get that too. we're just not allowed to whine about it.

"Representation in business or finance" your point was a bit vague. if you're meaning to say that there are few women that go far in these fields, it's often by their choice. (Or in some cases life choices) as there is no barriers that prevent them from doing those things except themselves.

Again. social pressures exist for men too. to claim that women are unique in this reguard and that that is a cause that women are unequal to men, is a broken notion. women just happen to be more vocal about it, and to take it to heart because they are biologically predisposed to more emotional thought.

Many women view men as second class citizens. as do religions. (I can do this too)

"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her"

Christianity says men are supposed to commit self sacrifice for women. Not the bible's exact words but go so far as to die on a cross for a woman. how is that equality when it says in the same breath

"Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord"

men are supposed to lay down our lives. Suffer the pain of death, and women are supposed to do as they're told. One of these involves death for the sake of the other. and if that's not second class citizenry I'm not sure that there's a better example out there.

Side: Males and Females equal
Darkyear(345) Disputed
1 point

Right off the bat you gave me a link that proves my point. Thanks :)

"Earnings for both women and men typically increase with higher levels of education.

However, the male-female pay gap persists at all levels of education for full-time workers (35 or more hours per week)."

"At all levels of education, women earned about 75 percent as much as their male counterparts in 2009."

And it goes on to explain how it is worse for women of color, who REALLY get shafted.

There were a few other topics that proved my point from that book you sent me. Granted its not all bad, and many things have definitely improved. But women are nowhere near equal yet.

Where specifically?

STEM fields, construction, high finance, business executives, politics. But hey, at least they have plenty of upward mobility in the sex trade, right?

often times the only reason they aren't higher on the ladder is that they tend to quit a job is because they want to quit and start a family.

Where are you from? The 1950s? It is getting increasingly rare for women to do that.

because this particular system needs overhaul regardless.

Can't argue with you there.

If you place your standards of perfection in the hands of everyone around you, you're not going to be happy with yourself.

I have seen firsthand what kind of stuff my last girl friend had to go through. Same with my sister. Getting hit on all the time, then having dudes go psycho when she doesn't sleep with them. Having people call them fat when they aren't even overweight. Or getting called too skinny and being told to "eat a cheeseburger" when they loose weight. Getting called a whore for sleeping with one dude. Living in a world where virtually all famous women and models are ludicrously hot, and basically feeling like you have to live up to it. You might be choose to be callous about it, but the majority is unwarranted and unfair. Men can be serious assholes to women.

Also, they often don't get believed when reporting sex assault and rape.

Men get that too.

I don't know about you, but I almost never get my ass groped when I go to a concert. I am VERY skinny, but most people tell me they wish they were built like me. I doubt a woman with my build would ever hear that. I have NEVER been called a slut when people found out I slept with someone new....no, it's not the same, and to think so is to be very blind or ignorant.

as there is no barriers that prevent them from doing those things except themselves.

How many stock brokers, CEOS, Bank managers, etc. have you heard of?

As far as your Bible Quotes, here's a few more:

1 Corinthians 14:34 - 35

34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

1 Timothy 2:9 - 15

9. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.

12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Leviticus 12:2 *

2 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean.

Leviticus 12:5

5 But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days.

Ecclesiastes 7:26

26 And I find more bitter than death the woman, whose heart [is] snares and nets, [and] her hands [as] bands: whoso pleaseth God shall escape from her; but the sinner shall be taken by her.

Side: Females are subservient
Dante756(77) Disputed
1 point

Darkyear, I hope your kids don't open your computer... finding out mommy doesn't want them can be traumatizing...

Side: Males and Females equal
1 point

Where is the study comparing male and female pay within the same industry and performing the same job with the same educational requirements? Not all degrees are equal and not all professions pay the same. Where is a study showing engineering, for example, starting off pay, pay after 5 years and so on between men and women in the same position, or in education, for that matter. Let see a study comparing apples with apples.

Side: Males and Females equal
1 point

If you mean financially, no, women as a group are still paid less then men in comparable jobs. And I think this was your intent so I voted this side.

If you mean legally, then they may actually have the advantage over men, whether it be in the alimony and child support court battles, or currently their right to opt for abortion against the wishes of the father.

Side: Females are subservient
Dante756(77) Disputed
1 point

Well, women work less hours in these fields. Feminists must be incredibly stupid people, or just expect men's longer hours and better jobs to result in the same pay as theirs.

Side: Males and Females equal

Some females love winging and whining. I don't know a single female on this earth that has found a formula that can be applied to find the exact value of any square root.

Are women inferior or equal to men? To be honest I just don't give a shit, people just need to stop whining and winging and complaining. The only thing that can cause do success is intellect and practice, not emancipation.

Poor people haven't became extremely accomplished scientists due to any effort to emancipate them, they learnt the hard way and studied and observed things closely throughout their lives. Alan Turing, Albert Einstein and Steve Hawking had nobody to emancipate them.

Side: Females are subservient