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I'm pro-choice but I am also for taking responsibility for your choices and accepting the consequences. And above all, don't whine about the poor choices you've made. I don't want to hear it. Suck it up!
Yes, I am not a woman therefore I do not have the rite to tell a woman that she cannot have an abortion after she has been raped. Who are men to decide what a woman must do? What would you guys do if the gov told you to stop killing potential life via beating off? It would seem ludicrous
Perhaps you misunderstand the meaning of Pro-Choice. Everyone deserves the right to work towards the life they want and the people they want to be with. Laws that inhibit freedom of choice are killing this nation.
Everyone has the right to avoid unwanted pregnancy. I think abstinence works best.
I am pro abstinence and pro life. People that are pro choice and yet don't choose to be smart and avoid unwanted pregnancy are the ones that are "killing this nation".
Not everyone wants to live that way. I'm not saying a lavish life of sin and making out with everyone you meet is a good idea. It's a terrible idea, but some people just don't like the idea of abstinence either. And what if you take all of the measures against pregnancy and it still happens to creep up anyways?
Do not forget that there are cases of pregnancy through rape. Would you want to carry a rape child? I don't think I would.
Don't get me wrong you can live however you want, just be willing to except the consequence.(read Joe's post) Take care of that kid, or at least put them up for adoption. Its not his or her fault that their parents wanted to live a certain way. The baby has the right to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I don't care how small or undeveloped the thing is.
About the rape case; no of course I would not want to carry a rape child. But I wouldn't kill the thing. I usually try to do the right thing. Which is sometimes what I don't necessarily want for myself. That's the lifestyle that I choose to live. If it were me personally I would put the baby up for adoption. Because the best way for a kid to be raised is with a mother and a father.
Could I ever personally see my mate go through abortion? See my seed fade away? No never. It would burn into my very heart and leave a big scar. But there are people out there who are willing. Those people deserve that choice even if it means that a life won't enter this world. They're just hurting themselves, but it's not my choice and I won't stop them.
How about every sperm or egg that is wasted? Those can be considered "chances" at life. Should we make masturbation illegal as well?
At the point of conception, all there is, is a clump of cells. To say that this clump of cells should have the same rights as a human being, is simplistic.
Obviously there needs to be a point where a fetus becomes a person, however, this is certainly not at the point of conception. It can't breathe, see, feel, or think. As the law currently is, abortions are legal at up to about 24 weeks. Whether this is too early or too late is an issue of debate, however, getting rid of abortion entirely, is both unrealistic, and an infringement on the individual rights of women.
Arguing that the only reason abortion should be legal is so that potential unborns have a chance at life does not take into account the billions of "potential" lives are wasted every day. Should we make sex mandatory for every girl who reaches puberty so that each egg has the opportunity to become a human? Obviously not. So what is the difference between a sperm and an egg that are separated, and a recently fertilized egg? Not much.
People who want their pro-life position made law, but want the government to stay out of their personal life are hypocrits. Keep your religious opinions to yourself, especially concerning decisions that don't effect you.
"especially concerning decisions that don't effect you."
How do you know it doesn't effect me? Maybe the thought of an Innocent baby dying affects me, maybe that baby would have made a big difference in the world. Maybe that baby would have been my friend.
I read everything you wrote jake all your responses, who are you to decide for a woman? It should have nothing to do with men at all, it should be the carriers' choice not ours.
Your not the one giving birth to a child conceived through rape. You are not having that baby attached to you. You are not the one that got raped Jake therefore who are you to speak for the side of pro life when you are not conceiving the baby?
... not saying it is going to be a law but that is what I got out of what you said. that you have decided that abortion is wrong to which I respond who are you to decide that abortion is wrong since you are looking through the perspective of a man? Is the rape victim carrying the baby not a WOMAN? is it not her BODY ? I would repeat everything I wrote but I find that to be somewhat pointless.
I am saying it should not be the choice of a man, definately not saying this debate is for raped women only I just think that the people that make the laws in Washington should have women decide on this law not men since there are more men in Washington politics. No it is not really saying that it is common sense most laws . Manslaughter is illegal for obvious reasons people do not argue that it should be legal. Abortion is controversial and since it is we should have women making the final decision on the matter.
You are confusing me. Are you saying that men don't have the right to be pro life? Or that men don't ever have a say at the choice of abortion? Or that men should not be able to vote on if it should be a law? What is it?
What if I get married and my wife gets pregnant and she decides that she wants an abortion(Not that I would marry a woman that doesn't want kids). Don't I have a say? Isn't it my kid to?
I am saying that men should not have the deciding vote on the matter which really they do. Since women are outnumbered in our gov just like all govs.
I am not saying that you do not have the right to voice your opinion and if my wife and I had a baby I would not want her to have an abortion but if she was raped then I think it would be up to her. ( I would not want to have a baby if it was from rape )
Being one of the only Christian pro-life conservatives on the site that doesn't get intimidated by all the liberals and atheists. I should get a medal for all that I put up with, but I don't complain.
I hear you. I'm just glad that there are only a few liberals in my school. I go to a Catholic school where most of the other kids are loaded rich. Because of this, they're mostly conservative. But the liberals are liberal.
I pity you. I really do. I would have hanged myself a long time ago. But that's just me. Or I would've gotten shot for voicing my opinion to much. 0:-)
A wise choice. The pro-life argument usually boils down to "the fetus' is more important than the mother", and they rarely give it more thought than that, and so the debate usually just goes around in circles, as we see here with Jake.
Most pro-choicers don't like abortion, and want it minimized, but realize that the best person to make the decision is the person whose life it effects most, the woman's.
Interestingly, evolution tends to give most women a "mother instinct" that fights the impulse to abort. Of course, a lot of pro-life Christians also tend to disbelieve in evolution, so their venem towards pro-choice is partially modivated by some fear that without pro-lifers like themselves, everyone would run out and have abortions 5 times a day.
It's not right for me to make the choices or to allow the government to make the choices in someone else's life. It's not just because of some high morality or anything, but I can't support ideas like that simply because I would not want anyone doing that to me. Without life's simple choices, there is no true freedom.
I am pro choice because 1: Whether or not to have an abortion is a personal medical decision by the woman carrying the baby about what to do with her own body. The fate of her fetus is not the business of anyone except her and her doctor.
2: A fetus is not a human being, meaning terminating a pregnancy is not murder. For evidence of this consider whether a first or second trimester fetus could live on its own, without the asistance of the mother or medical technology. Also consider that the bible does not consider fetuses legal human beings (Exodus 21:22-25), so there is no religious argument supporting the pro life position.
3: People should not be punished for birth control failing, for being uninformed about how babies are made or for general immaturity. A baby is an extremely expensive thing, if two parents were unprepared financially or lack the maturity necessary to raise a child in modern times then a pregnancy could ruin the lives of not only the parents but of the child as well.
4: An unplanned pregnancy can have negative consequences not only for the mother, father and child, but also for the society they are a part of. If this family was not financially able to raise a child, the public ends up paying for them through welfare programs, etc... I would rather see my tax dollars go to more productive causes.
5: If abortion were illegal and considered murder then the mother who had the abortion would have to be prosecuted for first degree murder. I find that morally wrong but I also find it economically wrong as it will increase the prison population and once again redirect my tax dollars from causes I'd rather see them go to.
I also come to believe that every one of us has the right to do what we think is right. Gays wants to get married, well that's their choice and I think we should respect that. But I am never pro of abortion this is way too sensitive. I think we should treat life more sacredly. It is morally wrong as we all know. It was killing another human life no matter what we push that fetuses are not babies.
it is someones choice on how they live their life and we should not be the ones to determine on how they should live it. If someone wants to do something that would be disapproved by many, well thats their decision.
The Bible is the only book to have thousands of it's prophecies and none have been close to what it says but 100% right. It tells of the earth being round, the atom,the auto, the radio, TV, wars of the past, and at what point life starts. Anyone saying they don't believe in God has never read it. I would rather be pro life than pro choice.
The Bible is clear in at what point life begins and is not above it's pay grade.
Are you serious? It's amazing how people only discover these amazing predictions only after science discovers them. News flash, the Bible doesn't predict anything. You're just seeing want you want to see.
I consider abortion murder... I don't condone murder except in war, very rare cases of abortion, and some cases of euthanasia, especially indirect euthanasia, when the patient is not given resuscitation or any machines for life support, thus allowing him or her to die on his or her own.
There are many arguments to both sides of this issue, but I think the arguments for being pro-life are way better than the one's for being pro-choice. First of all, no matter how much you deny it, cover it up, or lie about it, abortion is killing someone. You can keep telling yourself that it isn't, but it is. That's against the law just to let you know. It is against my religion and that is one of the reasons why I think it is wrong, but I can argue from a secular point of view also. The Declaration of Independence lists three inalienable rights: LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Isn't killing an innocent baby taking all three of these rights away from it? Also, one argument for being pro-choice is that restrictions on abortion are a violation to rights of privacy, but privacy is not mentioned once in the constitution. Besides, isn't the right to life a little more important the right to privacy? If the baby itself is not causing any real danger to the mother, then she does not have the right to takes its life a way.
First of all, no one's saying abortion isn't killing someone, so please stop that scarecrow argument.
The pro-choice argument is that aborting a fetus is justified in certain circumstances (health risks, rape, incest). Even in cases where the mother is simply unprepared to raise a child, I'd still argue abortion should be an option, since not all unwanted babies are adopted, and end up getting screwed up in the foster system.
Ultimately, the pregnacy effects the pregnant woman infinitely more than it effects you or me, so it's logical that the woman is in the best position to make the choice about what she wants to do. I personally hope it isn't abortion, but it's not our call.
You just agreed with me that abortion is killing someone and not something. Isn't it against the law to kill an innocent person? I know that a lot of times it is extremely difficult to for a woman to cope with an unplanned pregnancy, but i think that ultimately, the government should make abortion illegal, but in turn provide programs to help the woman through this hard time and make the right choice in what to do with the child after birth, whether it would be adoption, or keeping the baby, in order to preserve life. I also think that the government should provide more funding for to take care of the children in the foster care system. It may be true that we shouldn't tell other people how to live their lives or what they can and can't do, but isn't that what we attempt to do whenever we vote?
