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Supportive of Abortion Against Abortion
Debate Score:300
Arguments:178
Total Votes:356
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Are you against Abortion? Or do you Support it?

Do you believe abortion is right or wrong? Are you against it, or do you support it? All Opinions are valid, and respected. Whether or not I agree. So please debate away. 

Supportive of Abortion

Side Score: 157
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Against Abortion

Side Score: 143
7 points

Better in a clinic than in a back alley any damn day.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
3 points

I disagree that it's better that the violating of a child take place in a clinic than in a back alley. Crime belongs in the back alleys and such. Cleaning it up and having it take place in a sterile environment like a clinic sends the message that society is indifferent or ignorant of the crime completely.

Would allowing for child molestations to take place in 'clinics' somehow make child molestations less of a crime on children? Or would institutionalizing it like that make it somehow MORE of a crime? I think it would make it more.

And yes, (before you ask) I am in fact equating child molestations with abortions.

Side: Against Abortion
Akulakhan(2973) Disputed
3 points

Crime belongs in the back alleys and such.

Stating your belief that abortion is wrong.

Cleaning it up and having it take place in a sterile environment like a clinic sends the message that society is indifferent or ignorant of the crime completely.

Stating your belief that abortion is wrong, and that society should know it is wrong, and that having legal abortions send a message of indifference or ignorance.

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There's no meat here. It's all "abortion is wrong", and no "because".

Would allowing for child molestations to take place in 'clinics' somehow make child molestations less of a crime on children?

Worked with the Catholics, I guess. Doesn't make it okay.

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And yes, (before you ask) I am in fact equating child molestations with abortions.

Because molesting a child is equated with never having a child to get molested in what universe?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Sitara(11082) Disputed
2 points

Strawman. Abortions are way better than child molestation. Seriously, how dare you disrespect child molestation victims this way.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

This is a really good point in a sense. We would never legalize and create institutions for crimes that we know and consider to be crimes, but somehow we do for this which some of us consider to be a crime and others consider it not to be.

That said, however, society rates the mother's life as being greater than that of the child. It is more just than you put it because of the fact that the institution is not designed solely so that the criminals can get their jollies off committing their crime in leisure (like an institution built dedicated to child molestation), but for the fact that it is made so that we can protect the women who will definitely get rid of the baby if they really want to.

I believe it is better over all to kill the thing before it is even aware of itself, in a safe place that will at least leave the mother unscathed, than to have it be born, and potentially neglected by the mother who didn't want it (by neglected I mean tossed carelessly into the dumpster) or for her to go into back alleys looking for an illegitimate doctor wannabe to go digging around inside of her, thus hurting two people.

Side: Against Abortion
Akulakhan(2973) Clarified
1 point

Wow a down-vote and no dispute, thanks Kozlov (EDIT: or not kozlov?).

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Clarified
1 point

I'm sorry. I didn't see where it was required to provide a dispute. I'll put the point back until I can provide a dispute. Deal?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
3 points

1. Laws against abortion do not work so forcing this theological (it is theological and only theological) point of view onto others who do not share this point of view does not result in more children born anyway, it's pointless preaching.

2. It would do something though, it would force those who cannot have this procedure by safe and legal means to seek out unsafe and illegal means. Which ironically would lead to more death, this time actual humans dying and not a cult's idea of what a human is.

3. There is no one forcing anyone who does not want an abortion to have one, so then why does one side consider it okay to force their point of view? This is not an equivalent debate and we should stop framing it as such. One side wants to force an imagined morality onto another. That is all it is. For it to be equivalent Pro-Choice proponents would need to support forcing others to have abortions, which is not the case.

4. We know that at the point where abortion is legal, that thing has no feelings or self-awareness. This means the argument against it is 100% from the perspective of potential. One can try to argue otherwise but when they do they are incorrect. It's not an opinion, it's just incorrect.

5. So with this knowledge anti-abortion advocates are not really saying "you're killing a baby" (though no doubt they think they are), they are saying you are killing something which may become a baby.

6. Which means that to be consistent they must also argue equally vehemently against nature or god, because one or the other produces millions upon millions of sperm every day that have 100% equal potential life yet which are destroyed even in the act of sex with no contraceptive whatsoever.

There is no real argument against abortion, it is all theology based and projecting animate feelings onto inanimate things.

I have no respect for any anti-abortion argument which does not also argue for some cure to all the extra sperm and eggs our bodies naturally create.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

1. It's not clear what your criteria is for determining whether or not laws work. Do laws against RAPE work? Women continue to be raped whether our laws make it a crime or not. Also, it's not a theological point of view that abortions violate the rights of a child. It's a Constitutional point of view as noted by the Supreme courts during Roe. (see video link)

2. I disagree. With voluntary abortions banned, it's far more likely that both men and women will take prevention more seriously than they do now and that fewer unplanned pregnancies will occur as a result and that will mean fewer deaths in the long run.

3. Protecting the rights of the children now being denied by abortion is no more the same thing as "forcing a viewpoint" onto women than laws against child molestation are "forcing" a viewpoint onto child molesters. Children have a Constitutional right to the EQUAL protections of our laws. Period.

4. As there are cases where children are sometimes BORN (delivered) with only a brain stem and as a consequence can not think, feel pain, etc... (see annencephalic babies) ... and those children have been deemed legal persons. There is no legal or Constitutional criteria for personhood that says a child must be able to feel pain or to be self aware to be entitled to the protections of our laws. 'Potential Children' do not have REAL (tangible) bodies to be disposed of when they are aborted.

5. See above. A child in their first days of their life is MORE than a potential child. A Sperm and an egg are only a "potential" for a child. After conception, the POTENTIAL that the sperm and egg had to create a new child has already been realized and the only thing left is the further growth, development and maturation of the child they created.

6. Appeal to ridicule noted.

Personhood
Side: Against Abortion
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
4 points

1. Rapes have a victim who is able to report a crime. Abortion has no victim and no one to report the crime as all involved would be willing participants.

2. If you believe laws against abortion would lead to either more protection or less sex, then you know nothing about human sexuality.

3. It is completely different than child molestation laws because again, there is a victim when a child is molested. There is no victim in abortion.

4. Annencephalic babies are born with a major portion of the frontal lobe which is responsible for cognition. So again, not the same. And also torture. Parents who know ahead of time that their child will be born this way out to have had an abortion early in the pregnancy.

5. No. That is not a child. It has no more ability to think or feel than a plant. Your concept of what a child is is not correct. You are wrong and those who are for forcing their theology on women for this reason are doing more harm than good.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
3 points

i think its better to do abortion.Women have an inalienable right to determine the circumstances of their lives, and government must not intrude into decisions about personal and private matters.the woman's feelings about becoming a mother, or her ability to take on the burdens of child rearing, is terribly intrusive.

Supporting Evidence: Welcome Chittagong (ctglook.webs.com)
Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

Not even the Roe v. Wade ruling supports that point of view. If abortion were an 'inalienable right' they would have ruled it so and they would have then denied the State's any right to intervene at all. The fact that States do have the right to regulate abortions and even to prohibit them after a certain point is proof positive that abortion is not an 'inalienable right' by any means.

Side: Against Abortion
Sitara(11082) Disputed
2 points

Bullshit. Women have the right to choose .

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

For many reasons- rape, being underage, serious ilness, abortion is necessary for the mental and physical health of a woman.

It is also important that complete idiots do not become mothers because of an accident, too. A child needs to be wanted- not just a mistake.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

If we can justify killing prenatal children this way, why can't we justify killing those already born by using the same logic? We can't because we all agree that children are entitled to the equal protections of our laws. So far, the pro-abortion movement has succeeded in maintaining the denial of rights and personhood to the children being killed by abortions... but that is going to change. In fact, we are already seeing changes taking place with many State's fetal homicide laws.

Like it or not, the children of 'idiots' are entitled to the same protections of our laws that everyone else is.

Side: Against Abortion
Elvira(3445) Disputed
2 points

A person's experiences make them, like hands mold clay. A cluster of cells has extremely little experience, or way of processing experience- so it is barely a person, not even a sentient being. In my country, care homes are as full as the prisons. And for a few, it's a quick transferral from one to the other. Who says life is so great anyway? Need it live?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

I am prochoice. I support the right to choose .

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

Child molesters makes choices too. In fact an abortion is a form of molestation itself. Can we agree that one person's right to choose ends where another person's rights begin?

Side: Against Abortion
Sitara(11082) Disputed
3 points

How dare you compare a woman's rightful choice with child molestation. As a survivor of sexual abuse, I say "fuck you".

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Clarified
1 point

I am pro-choice as well. That is, I support everyone being free to make choices. Where I suppose you and I might disagree is when and where those choices infringe upon the rights of another.

I don't believe that our right to make choices gives us the right to violate the rights, bodies and lives of others with our choices.

Do You?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Sitara(11082) Clarified
1 point

I do, meaning that I agree with you. Where exactly are you going with this?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

I would just like to hear evidence that explains why a baby fetus is more important than a cow or an insect. We kill these things by the Billions every year. That's Billions with a 'B' where is the evidence that suggests we are more important than any other living thing. The sanctity of life seems to only be limited to humans and I don't know why.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Clarified
1 point

As it relates to this debate, it's because we (human beings) say so. We have established it in our laws and in our Constitution that human beings (persons) have certain rights and that we are entitled to the protections of our laws. Voluntary abortions remaining legal is something that runs contrary to those established laws and Constitutional principles and that's really why so many of us oppose it and why we are trying to make it (voluntary abortions) illegal.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

After thinking about this question and going through countless debates, this ultimately comes down to what you, as a person value more.

Do you value free will? Or do you value life? Not human life, just life.

You can guess which side I am on just be looking at my username.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

I'm sorry, but women are people too. As are the children they could have had. What would you say if, by making abortion illegal, you caused a huge part of the next generation to be homeless, because the parents could not support a child? Or both the child and the mother DIED because she couldn't safely have children? What if a girl walking home from school had her life changed, because she was raped and became pregnant? It's not right to (pardon the pun) "play god" when the lives of girls and women everywhere are at stake. It is the woman's own decision whether to keep a child or not.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

I'm sorry, but women are people too

The fetus in them will also be a person.

What would you say if, by making abortion illegal, you caused a huge part of the next generation to be homeless

I would say there's a thing called adoption. Just because you shouldn't be able to get an abortion doesn't mean you should raise it, too.

What if a girl walking home from school had her life changed, because she was raped and became pregnant?

Not only are those individual cases, but rape-related abortions represent a very tiny percentage of abortions.

It's not right to (pardon the pun) "play god" when the lives of girls and women everywhere are at stake

So it's not okay to "play god" with women and girls, but it's fine to "play god" with a fetus? That's a bit hypocritical.

It is the woman's own decision whether to keep a child or not

It's surprising that your argument for abortion is the same argument for slavery. "Since it's on your property, you get to decide if it's a human or not".

Side: Against Abortion
1 point

Well, first off being a man I do not really think I should have much of a say in this matter. Maybe men should get a half vote?

The only legitimate point, in my opinion, against other than moral/theological points would be that it infringes on the rights of the child. The biggest argument being at one point does it become a child. If we say it is at conception then you could probably argue that male masturbation or safe sex should be outlawed because the seed is being destroyed and it holds potential life. This is where people differ.

I cannot imagine the pain a girl would have to go through to be forced to carry a child of a rapist.

But that being said I do know a rape baby. He is one of my fraternity brothers and I love him like a real brother. I was in his wedding, i was at his adoptive fathers funeral and I will always love him and be at his funeral if he dies before me. I am very grateful to his mom for not aborting him. He went on to college and is now a counselor to teens and his adoptive parents couldn't be more prouder.

I also know a "happy accident." she is my god daughter and I am very glad that those two stupid teens could not afford the abortion. I will be at all her birthday parties, her graduation (high school and college) and her wedding, that is if me and her dad let another guy take her.

I can understand the point of both sides.

But maybe we should stop pouring money into abortions and research and start funding ways to help young mothers, find adoptive homes, help families afford adoption and fund better foster care. Fund law enforcement to try and prevent more rape and find a way that helps prevent or eliminate the need for abortions.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

Abortion is an option every pregnant woman should have, because pregnancy puts not only her mental and social but her physical wellbeing at risk. The legality of abortion is a sign of a developed nation, with the personification of cells being an outdated and illogical stance rooted in superstition and the repression of women; furthermore, there is no reason to give cells the title of 'person' since they cannot survive outside of the woman's body. Yes, they contain genetic information and the potential to become a person, but I don't see any pro-lifers campaigning to save every sperm cell.

Side: Supportive of Abortion

If someone is a strict constructionist who interprets the Constitution word for word, the sanction for abortion is given under the Fourteenth Amendment.

The Fourteenth Amendment of our U.S. Constitution defines a citizen “a citizen” at birth. If a woman is carrying a fetus in the womb, the U.S. Constitution does not designate the fetus as “a citizen.” It would take an amendment to the U.S. Constitution to declare a fetus a citizen. You have to be born in order to be recognized as a citizen. Therefore, a woman does have the right to choose. A fetus inside the womb is not designated as a citizen according to the U.S. Constitution so by default is not entitled to life, liberty, or prosperity. You have to be born in order to be endowed with those privileges. To conclude, neither the Federal government nor any of the States can deny a woman the right to choose.

If abortion is murder, abortion would have been terminated years ago due to the cruel and unusual punishment clause under the Eighth Amendment. Again, proof that a fetus is not recognized as a citizen of the United States of America.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
0 points

I support abortion because of young people who get pregnant and don't want a kid because it may have been accidental or she got raped so she wouldn't want to keep the kid. But with adults it's a different matter, I think that the only time an adult should abort is if the baby has some incurable genetic disorder.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
9 points

The only society worth defending is the one that protects the weakest and the defenseless.

Unborn humans are incapable of using democratic procedures and structures through which to defend their inalienable rights with - primarily their right to life. Their only hope is a government that will defend them and won't allow the stronger (the mother) to impose their interests over them at the expense of the most basic fundamental rights. They need a state that will take clear steps for the purpose of their protection.

To me, abortion is just insane and is the clearest demonstration of a society obsessed with self-entitlement, privilege, convenience and circumventing any sort of personal responsibility.

Side: Against Abortion
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
4 points

Yeah! Defend the defenseless... unless it is like a girl who was raped or something right? What a fucking whore ._.

So really, defend clusters of cells with no capacity to feel. If you are alive and have the capacity to feel fuck you.

And this god fucker is such a "self-entitled, privileged" ass who obviously refuses to take any "personal responsibility." Someone needs to do something about that guy.

I mean he forces millions upon millions of abortions each time a man ejaculates into a woman!

Who's defending all the sperm that didn't make it to that egg?

This is a travesty. The only society worth defending is one that protects the weakest as you say after all, and if there is anything weaker than a non-feeling cluster of cells, it is the sperm and eggs that never get to turn into a cluster of cells.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
VecVeltro(412) Disputed
4 points

Yeah! Defend the defenseless... unless it is like a girl who was raped or something right? What a fucking whore ._.

The state already protects that girl through laws. That's all it can do really, you can't have a policeman at every streetcorner and a surveillance camera in every room. The state defends the girl by deterring rapists via law.

If you mean that your hypothetical girl should be allowed to get an abortion - is that defense? Defense from who? The baby who is innocent? What an interesting precedent - lethal defense against innocent people.

So really, defend clusters of cells with no capacity to feel. If you are alive and have the capacity to feel fuck you.

We are clusters of cells too. And feelings have nothing to do with rights or preferential treatment. Even if people were in a state where they can't feel anything, it would still be unethical to kill or hurt them in any way. - this is why we don't murder people while they're drugged or asleep.

Who's defending all the sperm that didn't make it to that egg?

Well, the sperm isn't a developing human being. A zygote is - a separate organism that results in the fusion of the egg and the sperm. The sperm itself has no capacity nor potentiality to develop into a fully grown human being - I don't ever have to worry about giving birth from my ballsack. Killing a sperm means exactly that - killing a sperm.

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

gee arent you glad you didnt get aborted so that you could be supportive of aborting things that will be just like you when they grow?

Side: Against Abortion
4 points

I am against abortion because even though some of these unborn children are not wanted, they can still be given to someone who does want them once they are born. Even though the mother does have the choice, shouldn't that child's life be considered at all? It's not just some little spec of dust that you should just wipe away. That's a child, no matter how small. It's still alive and it still has a heart. Now in some circumstances, abortion should be considered. But more often than not, the baby could still live a good life. I think that if someone doesnt want a child, they should put it up for adoption, that way it could still have a chance. That little "spec of dust" is one of God's children, and he wouldn't have put it there if it didn't have a chance. I know that everyone has their own opinion, and I am definetly not the only right person. Everyone on both sides of the debate bring up really valid points.

Side: Against Abortion

I feel like if you are not prepared for a child, then you should take the necessary precautions beforehand, such as using protection such as condoms, or birth control (which is not a guarantee that you will not get pregnant by using this solely on its own.) Or abstain from sex altogether. I don't feel much sympathy for those who end up getting pregnant when they weren't careful, and then they want an abortion because they are not 'prepared' for a baby. But it is a consequence that they need to deal with I think. They should 'grow up' and take responsibility for their actions and do what it takes to raise the child they brought in to the world, even if it wasn't supposed to happen. The child should become the priority. However, in some cases I understand abortion, for instance if a woman is raped. I feel she has the right to carry out abortion, or if there are severe health risks involved in the matter.

Side: Against Abortion
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
3 points

then you should take the necessary precautions beforehand,

Do tell how does one prevent rape pregnancies?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

Well, if you took the time to read all of it, then you would see that I do believe in abortion in cases of Rape, because there is no precautions that can be taken. The line you are disputing is for those who are involved in sex at their own will who are careless about it.

Side: Against Abortion
notduddeman(6) Disputed
3 points

Until there is a fool proof form of contraception this argument is moot. There is no way to truthfully prove what pregnancies are caused by carelessness and there for we cannot know if that number is substantial enough to have any sway in this argument.

The real problem is that most people who support pro-life agendas fight against contraception as well as sex education.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

I don't agree that MOST pro-lifers are opposed to contraception at all. In fact, polls suggest otherwise.

Supporting Evidence: Gallup Poll via Secular Pro-Life Perspectives (blog.secularprolife.org)
Side: Against Abortion
3 points

How can anyone be for abortion. You're killing innocent lives!

The only time I see abortion being used is in case of a medical emergency in which they mother may not survive.

Side: Against Abortion
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
6 points

I take it you don't eat meet and have never accidently stepped on an insect then. I mean, that's innocent life too. Animals actually have a far far far far greater capacity for feeling than a feotus.

Otherwise you would be a hypocrite and I'd feel justified calling you a murderer and forcing my morals onto you even though it's none of my business and I completely don't know you or how you've come to the decision to eat meet or step on bugs.

Still, feel the wrath of my moral indignation! I know so much more than you and am so much more moral! blahblahblahblah.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
2 points

Due to the fact you started calling me a murderer off the bat, I will no longer respond to any of your disputes on this topic. When I am debating someone the one thing that tells me they don't know what the hell they are talking about is when they start calling the other names. I would have gladly explained the reason why I said that.

Side: Against Abortion
Doherty95(299) Disputed
4 points

I'm pro choice, but the problem i see with your argument is you are basically calling it murder and yet you don't seem to have a problem with it if the mother's life is at risk? Is the foetus life worth less than the mothers?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
DevinSeay(1120) Disputed
3 points

A life is a life mate. If the mother has a high chance of dieing while giving birth, I see no problem with aborting the baby. I would rather see one life taken then two. Get my gist?

Side: Against Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
0 points

It's is a homicide to abort a child to save a mother. That's true.

But not all homicides are murders.

Personally, I would like to see laws that require doctors to at least TRY to save BOTH the mother and her young in a crisis pregnancy.

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

Indeed! While a justifiable homicide still is a homicide, it can not be treated the same as a murder. Efforts are made (or should be made) to save BOTH the mother and her prenatal child in these cases. However, when allowing the pregnancy to continue will likely kill BOTH? The abortion (termination of the pregnancy) is justified to save the life of one over the other.

Side: Against Abortion
3 points

I am mostly against abortion. They say it is the right of the mother to choose, but what about the rights of the child?? Do children/fetuses have rights?

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

No, no, no, no. A baby is a baby, they are defenseless. And is a life that we do not have the right to destroy. I also don't agree with capital punishment.

Side: Against Abortion
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
4 points

Fetuses are not babies they are potential babies.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
1 point

They are real enough to be photographed and recognized as children in many of our laws.

Supporting Evidence: U.S. Code - Unborn Victims of Violence Act (www.law.cornell.edu)
Side: Against Abortion
2 points

Well call me evil but I am very much so against infanticide

Side: Against Abortion
Gokumohan(334) Disputed
2 points

First i am assuming that you are absolute pro-life so correct me if if im wrong in assuming this.

What if a it was a kid who was raped?

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

I do not agree with you because we should think that if our mothers had liked abortion than we would not have lots of pleasure .plz think once would you like to die without any sin.if we like it than we can say that we are terrorist because there is no difference between terrorist and me.terrorist kill people and we are also kill clean handed baby.we will be more rascal than terrorist if i like it because we kill a innocent lady who can be our best leader/guide or social worker i think it is so bad to like abortion.

_Nawaz

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

Killing an unborn baby is the same as killing a born baby. You're killing a child with a whole life ahead of it. It taking a life because you just don't want to deal with it.

Side: Against Abortion
Cuaroc(8828) Disputed
1 point

An fetus baby is just a potential baby not an actual baby.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
2 points

you running out of down votes there chuz.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
LoveU(348) Clarified
1 point

Bro, when you were a fetus your not parentless. .

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
0 points

"Potential" beings can not have an actual real and tangible physical existence. A sperm and an egg cell have the 'potential' to begin a new child's life. After fertilization, their potential has been realized and that child's life, growth and development has already began.

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

If you have sex... and you get knocked up... well thats your problem... because you are the one that had the sex.. So dont abort a baby... I mean what if you were abroted?? I understand if you would get an abortion if you got raped.. but if you messed up and didnt take the pill or bother to even ask if he had a condom on then.. thats yours to deal with... keep the kid.. even if you are a teen.... have the baby and put it up for adoption so a family that cant have a baby can have one...

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

i personally am against abortion, i don't think it would be fair to the baby to not give it a chance to live a life that its entitled. abortion goes against everything i believe in and against good morals and values. i know that people have different morals, values and believes and i respect that. but i just find it hard to respect someone that has the guts to take another humans life and not even feel bad or guilty. for all those mothers out there especially teenage mothers i respect them for sticking it out and going ahead with the pregnancy...ps.(hope i have not offended anyone with what i wrote)

Side: Against Abortion
2 points

Abortion is simply legalized murder. And the worst of any murder you can think. If a mother can kill her own children so easily, then what makes you think that he wont do the same to strangers?

Side: Against Abortion
1 point

1. According to our Constitution, all 'persons' are entitled to the 'equal protections of our laws.' (5th and 14th Amendment)

2. Scientists have already proved that a human life begins at and by conception. For example, they have established the fact that conception is when a person's aging begins.

3. We already have laws which make the unlawful killing of a child in the womb a 'crime' of 'murder.' (see Unborn Victims of Violence Act and State Fetal Homicide laws)

It is an unacceptable inconsistency in our laws which establish the fact that a person who kills an unborn child during a robbery can be charged with MURDER... and yet the mother can kill the same child for any reason she wants to (with an abortion) and not be charged with the same.

Abortions are murders for these (above) reasons and that is why I oppose them.

Side: Against Abortion
Elvira(3445) Disputed
2 points

Aye, there are many crazy laws, though. Like not getting fish drunk and so on, so law is pretty much useless here. A positive straight line graph begins somewhere, too- and 2 has much difference to 4940.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
Chuz-Life(496) Disputed
2 points

Unless you are saying that fetal himicide laws and the Unborn Victims of Violence Act are "crazy laws" and you can prove them to be so? Your comments here are 'non sequiturs' and as such are not even worthy of further consideration.

Supporting Evidence: Non Sequiturs (en.wikipedia.org)
Side: Against Abortion
1 point

I do not support it as long as the baby has been in the womb for more than three weeks. I can't stand the thought of remembering the child scream at four weeks old in the womb.. Lives are given by than, they shall not be taken away. Kill the parasite before it has life, if not, do not kill the new human.

Side: Against Abortion
1 point

abortion is wrong no human should die abortion is wrong what if you were that baby and your mom had a abortion

Side: Against Abortion
Sitara(11082) Disputed
1 point

I agree and disagree at the same time. I believe that there are times when abortion is best.

Side: Supportive of Abortion
1 point

The only abortion I support is for mothers who are at risk of death and their babies are less than 20 weeks from conception, but it has to be done in a humane manner.

Side: Against Abortion
1 point

unless there is a genuine medical case to abort then why not go full term and have the baby immediately adopted out.couples who opt to abort a healthy fetus are immotionally immature in my opinion.

Side: Against Abortion
1 point

I think of abortion the way i think of murder. If you netflix and chill and it goes down, you have to pay for your own actions dont make the baby pay. for all the females out there either wait till marriage or deal with it

Side: Against Abortion

I'm personally against abortion. I'm not religious, but I do think it's immoral.

Side: Against Abortion

I personally am against abortion. The whole abortion debate essentially rests on the question of whether the fetus counts as a person. If it does, then abortion is morally wrong, as abortion is equivalent to murder. If it does not, then abortion is perfectly acceptable. I believe that the fetus does count as a person.

Side: Against Abortion
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Side: Against Abortion