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Prochoice. Prolife.
Debate Score:115
Arguments:104
Total Votes:131
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Are you prochoice or prolife?

Everyone is welcome on this debate.

Prochoice.

Side Score: 50
VS.

Prolife.

Side Score: 65

I'm not going to let a Republican "MAN" tell me what to do with MY vagina.

Side: Prochoice.
achilles_(51) Disputed
4 points

I'm not going to let a Republican "MAN" tell me what to do with MY vagina.

First of all, why make it sound so sexist? Second, no one is telling you what to do with your vagina. Abortion murders fetuses, so that's why the prolife movement wants to abolish it.

Side: Prolife.
3 points

You have a vagina? Post some pics. We deserve to see.

Side: Prolife.
2 points

Even though your username is "Jacobcoolguy"...

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Side: Prolife.

Neither am I....................................................................................

Side: Prochoice.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Whom says any politicians can tell you what to do with your body. Talking points fed to you by the politicians that you believe should control the masses.

Side: Prolife.
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

The republican man is not telling you what to do with your virgina. He is informing you what you are doing with your mouth. You are openly admitting to a crime in pubic this is clearly done with your mouth and brain not your virgina. What the republican man is wondering is why all woman must be forced to make an admission to a crime by law.

The Republic united states of Female Specific Amputation is the republican man telling all woman they do not in fact have to make the admission you are demanding from all of us.

Then don’t let the republic. Go to jail. Officially stop admitting to the crime. Take a chance at trial. That’s the prochoice and prolife option. It clearly was not the republics choice as the united states republic serves the United States Constitution.

Side: Prolife.
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
1 point

The question raised with Pregnancy abortion is about truth or lie. Is pregnancy abortion a lie? Why this question is important is Pregnancy abortion is self-incriminating. It is always admitting a crime publicly that may not exist. First you must be able to say, Pregnancy Abortion is not an admission of guilt to any crime it describes, in any way. Do not confuse this idea with the basic principle innocence’s of the crime admitted, is the use of the word abortion in relationship to pregnancy admitting a crime publicly?

My answer is yes it is admitting a crime. Why my answer is yes, abortion is stating a person is officially ending something that has been documented as officially starting. Human life. This makes abortion an assumption of control, on basic principle a woman never has complete control of her own pregnancy. As a united states they are asking for something beyond the law of nature without question.

Do all woman need to admit to the crime of officially stopping life? Again as a united State the words Female Specific Amputation say no. All woman do not need to admit publicly to the act of officially ending life.

Does this mean abortions cannot be proven? No it does not. A Female Specific Amputation can be proven when addressed in the proper way to be a pregnancy abortion. It also can be proven only when properly questioned not to be pregnancy abortion. This is a united states which is impartial.

Woman have already proven to the public and other woman they are willing to murder children of their own posterity. A lie on official documents is not the same crime as the willingness to end officially life. They should not be treated as such as this again is a test to United States Constitution. Why the United States Constitution has been sacrificed as the blame of injustice in this matter is. All life which is brought to an intentional end was expected to go before a judicial constitutional separation to insure that all people in the public could not be trapped as accessories to murder. As this crime negates the right of Vote upon conviction.

So again the most important question is. Do the words Pregnancy abortion create an admission to a crime? If no why not? It is not due to the question of when life starts, abortion describes a start is understood so the word is not telling the facts that are being described. This is a type of lie.

As for the augment of rape. It may be advisable by law a woman should not take responsibility of the official end of life in this matter. As the basic principle of wrong may be left open to argue it is the person convicted of sexual assault who should take this responsibility. Again the Constitutional argument is based on the embryo a woman holds dies by law of nature every month. So it is reasonable within her powers to insure the law of nature is seen through, or not. This United States Constitutional debate should not be hindered by the improper use of admission to crime.

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

Haha hilarious cool guy. 1 point for you.

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

In the very beginning of pregnancy there is no question about it.

As long as it's not self-aware it's absolutely the parent's choice.

The more interesting question is at what point in the pregnancy does it become inappropriate?

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

Inconvenient fact: Self-concept does not develop until well after the time of birth.

Conclusion: At no point in the pregnancy does it become inappropriate, as at no point is it self-aware.

Side: Prochoice.

Since humans have become a scourge on the earth and the population is extremely out of sustainable existence:

We need to be as REDUCE HUMANS any way possible!

Semetic religion criminally brainwashes people to think man is more important than the rest of nature.

Semitic religion is an enemy of Mother Nature

Side: Prochoice.
excon(14583) Disputed
1 point

Semitic religion is an enemy of Mother Nature

Hello Nazi:

Well, you can try to wipe us out again.. But, you FAILED miserably last time you tried, and you'll FAIL again...

What we should RID ourselves of, is fucking Nazis like you..

excon

Side: Prolife.
1 point

Slavedevice isn't a Nazi. Nazism died out in the 1940s.

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Side: Prochoice.

It’s better for a small number of people to live a high quality life than for a huge number to live half miserable

And it’s true - Judeao/ Xtian don’t have a plan for the earth. They don’t give a shit about the rest in future

Side: Prochoice.

I am prochoice. I am pro do whatever you want with your body. A fetus is not a baby until it has brainwaves. This is how you know if someone is alive and a complete sentient person.

Side: Prochoice.
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
2 points

Where does God tell you the time frame an unborn baby is ok to kill? You call yourself a Christian and could not care less what God says about unborn babies he knows in the womb.

You put your own selfish pro choice beliefs over God. Who do you think you are kidding?

Ok, now spew your same old extreme case excuses while you support the choice to kill any unborn baby up to it supposedly has brainwaves. LOL, what a phony!

Side: Prolife.
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

The United States Constitutional argument rebuttal states. Prove a pregnancy abortion it is not a person’s admission to a crime. There is an international game of obstruction of justice being played using an admission of guilt publicly.

The ability to brag has clouded common sense of many people. Pregnancy abortion is and admission to officially ending life. The legality of any admissions to a crime has consequence outside the type admission itself. The nature states that the embryo dies every month during a woman’s natural process of menstruation is not GOD, but close enough to make a constitutional argument of precedent.

There are a great deal of woman who may have actual not understood the United States Constitution. By this laps in ability made an error in judgement and called a Female Specific Amputation a Pregnancy Abortion.

Side: Prochoice.
-1 points

Prove a zygote is a baby................................................................................................................................

Side: Prochoice.
2 points

A fetus has brain waves beginning at 8 weeks, and most women can only tell when they're pregnant at 9 weeks. Others have been able to tell at earlier points, though.

Side: Prolife.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

You were a fetus in your Mommy's womb but now you have no brainwaves whatsoever LMMFAO. Why didn't Mommy and Daddy abort you for the lack of brainwaves you don't have. ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Prolife.
0 points

I'm pro abortion, pro choice, and anti life. The fetus has no sentience (i.e. it lacks self concept), and if aborting it improves the quality of life for the existing sentient then forbidding it is cruel and without merit. Besides, I think that creating sentient being is one of the cruelest things a sentient being can do.

Side: Prochoice.
Amarel(5135) Clarified
1 point

If you’re anti life, why are you concerned with improving the quality thereof?

Side: Prochoice.
Jace(5049) Clarified
1 point

Fair question. As long as life exists it may as well be as less miserable as possible.

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

The fetus has no sentience

So, if your grandmother is in a coma, can I shoot her and get away with it?

aborting it improves the quality of life for the existing sentient then forbidding it is cruel and without merit

Why would anyone be happier with killing a baby? The baby has so far done nothing to you, and yet you want to end its short life abruptly and without reason. Also, no one is forcing you to keep the baby. Put them up for adoption if you hate them that much.

is one of the cruelest things a sentient being can do.

First off, stating what you think is cruel doesn't really do much in the way of your argument. Explain why. Is there a reason? If so, elaborate. Secondly, your feelings don't dictate what is and isn't murder. Third, so, you said a fetus isn't sentient but then you talked about creating a sentient being? Also, why isn't killing a sentient being on your list of extremely cruel things?

Side: Prolife.
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

So, if your grandmother is in a coma, can I shoot her and get away with it?

No, but not by virtue of that body being a person. Just as I would not endorse you being able to perform an abortion on another person without their consent, I would not endorse you being able to shoot a comatose person to whom you have no proximate connection (i.e. there other who's entitlements I would preference to yours).

Why would anyone be happier with killing a baby? The baby has so far done nothing to you, and yet you want to end its short life abruptly and without reason. Also, no one is forcing you to keep the baby. Put them up for adoption if you hate them that much.

I never said it would be a popular option. I just think it's fine for it to be an option.

First off, stating what you think is cruel doesn't really do much in the way of your argument. Explain why. Is there a reason? If so, elaborate.

I believe that existence is predominantly suffering, and that we are evolved for sufficiency rather than pleasurable existence. To create sentient life is to create a consciousness capable of suffering but incapable of reconciling it's need for meaning and significance with the reality of an indifferent universe.

Secondly, your feelings don't dictate what is and isn't murder.

Of course they do. Feelings are the only things that dictate that sort of thing, regardless of who is doing the defining. Where else do you suppose that sort of thing to come from?

Third, so, you said a fetus isn't sentient but then you talked about creating a sentient being?

I'm presuming it becomes sentient later, as is the common trajectory that people anticipate when they conceive life. I'm speaking here more to the intention than the immediate condition.

Also, why isn't killing a sentient being on your list of extremely cruel things?

It is, though not for that sentient's sake (they're dead, they experience nothing).

Side: Prochoice.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Well Dummy how is it you came to exist ???? Did your Mommy and Daddy think you lacked self concept ???? And that was the reason you were hatched ROTFFLMMFAO

Side: Prolife.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

Aborting you would have been a good idea for your Mommy and Daddy LMMFAO

Side: Prolife.
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

Probably not. They don't share my worldview. As evidenced by my existing.

Side: Prochoice.

First, I'd like to get a few definitions out of the way:

Pro-life: "opposed to abortion"

Murder: "the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought"

Person: "human"

Human: "of, relating to, or characteristic of humans"

So, since it's illegal to kill a person, and since a fetus is a person, meaning it's a human because it resembles a human very closely, shouldn't that make abortion illegal?

Side: Prolife.
excon(14583) Disputed
1 point

So, since it's illegal to kill a person, and since a fetus is a person

Hello the:

Murder is a LEGAL term.. Person is too.. Constitutionally, a fetus is NOT a person.. Therefore, you can't murder one.

excon

Side: Prochoice.
Amarel(5135) Disputed
2 points

Murder is also a moral term. Abortion can fail to meet a legal definition, yet stoke ones moral sense as an unjustified killing of a human life, ie murder. Similarly, libertarians refer to taxation as theft and Marxists refer to capitalists as theives. Though neither fit the legal definition.

Incidentally, Constitutionally a corporation is a legal person. But you can’t murder one.

Side: Prolife.
1 point

What is defined as a person by the Constitution?

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Side: Prolife.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
0 points

A fetus is not a person and you came to being how you Idiot Dummy LMMFAO

Side: Prolife.
John_C_1812(279) Disputed
1 point

Okay just to get s few things out of the way. What makes Pregnancy abortion illegal is the lie it is saying on an official document as perjury, and the self-incrimination to crime it shares to the public without judicial separation. The fact that both of these crimes are much harder to prove than the admission that is made by the admission which is set as a lie from the very start.

Two things not all woman officially have control at all times regarding pregnancy in any united states. The state pregnancy creates sits in a line with the medical profession and the Hippocratic Oath. By obligation to the republic and the United States Constitution. If it is believed that the mismanagement of representation directs issue of national security. These things are lies which are in effect the reason or cause for perjury, or perjuries on a grand scale. To put it simply the murder is at no point ever a single event that all woman and doctors face.

The question you need to be asking is. Why must all woman make a admission to murder? EVER?

no offence themadgadfly

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

I know you don't care about rape victims and think they are all lying, so I wont even bother.

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

Ehem. How bout you, do you care about the unborn baby? you both don't care on the views of each other so why bother to each other when no one from the two of you is open to change their mind, no one seeks the right, only on who is right.

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

Who said I don't care about rape victims and that they're all lying? I merely told you I don't believe you because you've no proof to back up your claim.

Side: Prolife.
John_C_1812(279) Clarified
1 point

Can anyone here prove how Pregnancy abortion is not an admission to murder?

Can anyone tell me how all woman must admit to murder for any reason is right?

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

I couldn't understand a word of that.

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Side: Prochoice.
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

This is a lot of empty tautology that really just begs the question...

Side: Prochoice.
1 point

If It has a heartbeat it is alive.. the only way i condone abortion is if It saves the life of the mother or if a young girl is raped.. or anyone raped actually .. but you can always go the day after and get sterilized if that is the case ..

Side: Prolife.
OneNot(5) Disputed
1 point

I fail to see how being a rape victim makes it okay if otherwise it is not.

Is the baby somehow more guilty for being created from rape? Does it have less of a right to existence?

It sounds to me like you're pro-choice. Only you feel bad about the occasional necessity, which is fine.

Side: Prochoice.
0 points

If It has a heartbeat it is alive.

That's a stupid precondition because most animals don't even have hearts, which precludes them from your definition of alive.

Conversely, every animal (except perhaps the sponge) has a central nervous system. When fetuses are aborted it is before they have developed a central nervous system. They are incapable of feeling physical pain.

Side: Prochoice.
outlaw60(15500) Disputed
1 point

Most animals don't even have hearts ??????? LMMFAO

Then why is PETA dedicated to saving animals !!!!!!!! ROTFFLMMFAO

Return your brain for the money back guarantee

Side: Prolife.
1 point

I don't think they mean it has to have a heartbeat to be alive, I think they're instead saying that if it does have a heartbeat, it is alive.

Side: Prolife.

This is what pro abortion supporters do to deceive the public & hide the inhumanity of their policies.

1) Steer the abortion conversation to life of mother & rape pregnancies, to Zygotes & first trimester abortions, all to deflect what they really support which is No Restriction abortions of all babies, even viable babies for any reason up to birth. This is the first thing pro choice people do.

The GOP has allowed extreme case exceptions since abortion was legalized yet we still hear every day about these extreme rare cases. Lie, deceive, exaggerate, etc. all to condition the electorate to think the GOP will deny these extreme case abortions.(by the way, rape pregnancies can be prevented within a day or two with a doctor visit)

2) They talk about the medical name of an unborn Baby..... Fetus. By using the name Fetus, they somehow believe it changes the status of the life growing inside the mother. Somehow in their thinking, a Baby that has not yet traveled through the birth canal is somehow different than it is after it is has moved down that canal. WOW, TALK ABOUT DENIAL!

3) They talk about the supposed hard life these unwanted children will have if allowed to live. So in all their God like powers, they know the future of every Baby aborted? How many great people have come from poverty or foster homes, etc.? To be so arrogant to allow the deaths of innocent life because of some perceived hard life is beyond diabolical.

4) Pro choice people like to say they do not personally believe in abortion, but would afford other's the choice to end the lives of their unborn Babies. Gee, how nice of them. I always wonder how a person who personally believes that aborting his own Baby is wrong because it is ending a human life, can support allowing other babies to die. HYPOCRITE PHONEY!

5) After all the scare tactics and deceptions, their next step is to lie and say they do not support late term abortions for any reason. They refuse to accept accountability for supporting all late term abortions of even viable babies every time they vote for Democrats who support it.

6) The Democrat Party and the Left even supports killing viable special needs babies, for any reason up to birth, for merely being special. That's like the Nazi mentality where we only want blond haired blue eyed people being born in Germany. In all their arrogance, they will deem who is deserving of life. Where is all their talk about diversity, inclusiveness, compassion? I guess these special Olympic children actually mean nothing to them. Their lives are disposable.

I am not here trying to judge any woman who has had an abortion. I'm trying to bring humanity back to our nation by protecting our most innocent vulnerable lives.

Side: Prolife.
Jace(5049) Disputed
1 point

I endorse no restriction abortion of all babies for any reason, including late term abortions. So, what's your argument for those of us who bite that bullet?

Side: Prochoice.
Amarel(5135) Clarified
1 point

Correct me if I’m wrong, but don’t you also believe in the termination of the life of an unwanted child up to a certain age?

Side: Prochoice.
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

I have more respect for a killer who admits his inhumanity verses killers who pretend to be tolerant of human life while keeping the No Restriction killing legal.

You are the result of a Godless culture. In your world, self is the all and end all of life. If another human life gets in the way of your convenience, you justify killing the baby. You want to be able to sleep around like animals, and then use abortion to bail you out.

Those on the Left are just like you but for election purposes refuse to admit it.

Side: Prolife.
0 points

Again, what if the mother was raped?.................................................................................

Side: Prochoice.
3 points

Just because you were raped doesn't mean you get the right to kill a baby.

Side: Prolife.
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

She can do what you did if you have the love to teach women what they must do after rape!

IGNORE!

Side: Prolife.
1 point

""If the victim was impregnated by the rapist ,then go ahead kill the fetus, easy as that. The fetus don't have value anyway. "" is this what you want to hear ? I doubt it so become a pro life

Side: Prochoice.