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"Am I proud to be an American during this 2016 election?"
Yes and No. I have reasons for both.
I am not proud of Americans. Because if evolution has any validity, it would show proven as a science of declining, de-evolving, full circle of the rise and fall of mankind, as we evolve to be dense fools!
God created perfect balance. The fall put in the law of entropy decaying the heart and soul of mankind.
God made man to stand upright in His image, but man's constant descent is proving to be a never-ending fall.
I can't believe how unreasonable people have become. So, Im not proud of that.
The greatness of America was people side by side, not overtaking each other. We corrected from within. Win win negotiations with fairness in the middle.
As a people we respected each others freedooms and rights more than everywhere else in the world.
America began with everyone working together and building communities.
We were great because each individual's rights and boundaries were considered. The American idea or world view managed that individually according to the golden rule.
When we had to, we fought for rights and corrected wrongs. We fought, won fairly, and we actually fought FOR fairness.
But today, American rights are shoot, grab, and run! The WORLD VIEW changed!
This is not America.
So, I am not proud today to be an American.
But I am proud of individuals who are still American. So in that way I am proud to be an American.
Here is an interesting thing I noticed.
Christianity that built us is attacked in our society. An assault these days on faith, disloyalty for I think the first time ever toward Israel also.
From attacking the Bible, even discussions on changing its content. Sounds like we are entering the dark ages all over again. Lies in fields of academia about the Bible, even its reliability in its historic content.
Equally so America is persecuted by her own children and people of other nations demand our heritage yet burn our flag in our own streets! And our children, America, joins them.
At what point in American history, exactly, do you think we actually respected each others' freedoms and rights more than everywhere else in the world? When we practiced slavery, when women were disenfranchised, when we interned Japanese citizens without due process, when we criminalized sexual orientation as a private expression which harmed no one, etc? When was America this utopia of equality you believe existed?
Christianity certainly has influenced American history, but the democratic ideals the nation was built upon came from enlightenment era philosophy. Or did you never learn / forget that European monarchies at the time were also heavily Christian? The religion was the same across the nations in question, but the philosophy was fundamentally different and that is what made the critical difference (not religion). Also, get over yourself; religion is not "under attack" in America. People not sharing your faith and not accepting its imposition on their personal lives is not an attack on your faith; it's a repudiation of a religious attack on themselves.
True. But we try to learn from our mistakes and right our wrongs. We haven't gone back to slavery. Women can now vote. We no longer intern Japanese citizens. Gays are allowed to marry. It's a slow process but it seems to be working ;)
I'm very skeptical about the credibility of the idea of progress. It's built on the unsound notion that there is somehow a fixed morality and mode of correctness that we can identify and bend ourselves towards.
Slavery still exists. There is a large industry in human trafficking and people who genuinely do not believe it was or is wrong. Those who used to practice it did not think it was wrong either. Neither did those who barred women from politics, discriminated against gays, etc. Tomorrow will look at today and say it was bad, and their tomorrow will look at them the same way. This is not because we are progressing, though, but because morality is context sensitive. It varies by time and place and person.
There seems to me to be a fixed morality in place in all cultures. Murder, theft, sloth, greed are all seen as acts that are against the grain of social harmony. The simple notion of freedom is spreading across the world. The facts about slavery, the treatment of women, or any other activities working against freedom for everyone, that you point to, don't erase the progress we've made, it least not in my opinion.
It seems that the perspective you offer could also be used to say that science, or medicine have not progressed because there are still people somewhere who think the world is flat, or madness is caused by evil spirits.
I think we've covered this already, but it's been a while. Briefly: While murder, theft, sloth, greed seem to exist across cultures what constitutes each varies considerably between and even within cultures. They're not universal when you get into how they are actually applied.
The difference between morality and science is that the former cannot be studied with any objective means and the latter can. We cannot quantify morality, measure it, etc. the way we can oxygen. It cannot be proved or disproved, etc. That said, I'm not tremendously attached to the mythos of science anyways.
humamistic world view and controlling faith by fascism.
They call exercising their "freedom of religion" as "freedom from religion."
So to them, silencing other people's religion is their right in exercising their freedom of religion!
Since when is it American for one persons freedom of religion, a mandate to silence another's freedom to exercise religion by its conduct and influence in our everyday lives?
Fyi oppressing and silencing the influence of faith in peoples lives is literally a breach in the establishment clause!
Freedom to exercise faith means we are all free to influence and all are free to be influenced by their own choices.
Now media steers and oppression denies people their own choices of the influence of faith throughout their communities.
The politically correct with oppressive intolerance silence freedom of faith, and accuse its influence of intolerance.
We live in a world thats darker than ever. Because truth is true in the eyes of the beholder, and truth needs to stay silent.
Political correct speech is the Spirit of antichrist. It is used to silence the influence of faith of the only True God, to keep all in darkness. As slaves to its gods.
As long as we all agree to not speak truth out in public, and we heartily agree to hide truth that offends, and exalt each one's lies as if truth.
Tolerance each one as a true god, tickling theur ears and stroking their egos according to each one's own mind. Bowing down to their truths as if they were their own gods.
Freedom is iron sharpens iron, and truth is the standard. We each have free choice to choose as we will. But to present is illegal because the spirit of tolerance is from Hell.
False peace silences truth
In this age political correction, social shaming, silencing of truth, tolerance sold as peace. Truth offends.
In other words, then, you cannot identify any point in American history where society was actually egalitarian. All the rest of your comment is entirely non-responsive to the question I have now asked you clearly and repeatedly.
Once you either concede the question you have answered or actually attempt to answer it, then answer me this as well: In what way, exactly, has anyone ever restricted your ability to practice your faith in your personal life?
P.S. Do not err in assuming that I support PC culture. I categorically don't, but I still think your belief that your beliefs are being suppressed is unfounded and indefensible.
Since Im not a baker or in the wedding industry I have not. But the potential is there.
And stirring society in a certain way, so as to shame others into silence or to have every sign of religion removed is literaaly an attack on religious freedom.
Even the law type not black and white has also contributed by legal presedence and making morals a discrimanotry matter.
Its been a tearing down of respect for the values of people to live their faith.
Globalization and the spirit of this age are the spirit of antichrist
The potential is there for any right to be violated, and it's fairly evident that other groups have had their rights violated more regularly and more severely than Christians in this country. Slavery. Disenfranchisement of women, non-land owning persons, incarcerated people, etc. The Trail of Tears, Japanese internment.
I'd agree that a private business that takes no public funds should be able to decline service for any reason, but I disagree that this signals any sort of war on faith such as you've heavily suggested. And in this case the courts did adjudicate upon it as a civil rights issue where that right was viewed as infringing on the rights of another, so unless you want to reject the authority of the judiciary to mediate such rights conflicts then you have to accept that ruling as consistent with the Constitution.
Desegregation laws are not interchangeable with this scenario, because they often dealt with state action which would have been publicly funded and therefore in violation of the Constitution. Again, I would be inclined to agree that private persons should have autonomy, but public operations or those funded by the public in any proportion should not. Otherwise you are stealing money from people to finance what they will never be able to benefit from.
I don't watch video links, but if you want to explain it in your own words I'll read that. I'll say off the bat thought that I don't give a whit about whether something is the antichrist, so if you want me to care you'll have to ground it in something more tangible... like clear and direct harms to people.
The Communists, Marxists, Socialists, Fascists, Fabians, Progressives, leftists radicals… whatever you want to call them, have been busy working their plan(s) for years as we were manipulated into believing that the Cold War was over, that Communism was virtually dead except for 4 or 5 radical regimes and that we no longer had anything to fear from them. Now we have Marxism or Progressivism (Communism), Islam and our own dumbed down populace to fight… while globalist radicals have continued to forge ahead with their plans including their infiltration into our White House, Congress and Supreme Court, our education system, many of our churches and every media arm from entertainment to news that indoctrinate our children and the thoughts of most Americans… especially the uninformed!Yuri Bezmenov shows how the socialist-communist bloc:
• knowingly implemented a comprehensive manipulation of public opinion and elites worldwide.
• conditioned schoolchildren and students to Western socialist ideals on at least three generations. This task was in his 85% of the activity of the KGB.
• systematically recruited all opinion leaders in the West for influence and destabilize the non-Communist world.
• conditioned and “de-moralized” (loss of value) of entire sections of society, become “useful idiots” of socialism.
In a lecture he remains traces on the Internet, Yuri Bezmenov – aka Thomas Schuman – gave further guidance on techniques designed to destabilize the western nations. Among these strategies of destabilization, he cites include:
• sabotage units of national, ethnic, racial, religious, linguistic
• ridicule of patriotism by degrading the level of a mental illness (psychotic)
• encouragement of the political turmoil in the world of work by politicizing the trade unions.46. Import anti-white racists from the Third World, via an open-borders policy, then force their integration to divide and conquer white Western civilization in North America.
47. Feminize and disarm both the citizenry and military; especially disarm white males.Karl Marx describes in his Communist Manifesto, the ten steps necessary to destroy a free enterprise system and replace it with a system of omnipotent government power, so as to effect a communist socialist state.
America has been increasingly adopting more of Marx's ideals, sometimes more subtle than othertimes, yet sometimes rather openly. President Obama has openly suggested Marxist ideologies and has surrounded himself with numerous outspoken Marxists.Communist Goals
[From “The Naked Communist,” by Cleon Skousen]
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of Khrushchev’s promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policy-making positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to “eliminate all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless, awkward and meaningless forms.”
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. “Our plan is to promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art.”
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them “censorship” and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as “normal, natural, healthy.”
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with “social” religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a “religious crutch.”
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of “separation of church and state.”
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate, old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish aristocrats who had no concern for the “common man.”
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part of the “big picture.” Give more emphasis to Russian history since the Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any part of the culture–education, social agencies, welfare programs, mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and special-interest groups should rise up and use [“]united force[“] to solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and individuals alike.“Socialism is precisely the religion that must overwhelm Christianity … In the new order, Socialism will triumph by first capturing the culture via infiltration of schools, universities, churches and the media by transforming the consciousness of society …” ~Antonio Gramsci (1915)
What's your point? I already told you I'm not a communist, or otherwise liberal. I'm not making any arguments to which this could possibly be relevant.
Rant against the pinko commies all you like. That still doesn't answer the question as to when in American history people were equal, as you claimed they were. Safe to assume you can't, at this point, so that matter's closed.
Actually the joining of Catholocism and Rome was birthed out of antichrist also. Rev is all about it
Creating a one world anything creates a regime to feed those in power. It will result in world wide slavery as all work to feed the beast.
And this thread of power hungry regimes is of the same mold and illumanatie and Luciferianism and other radical groups seek to control others even their way of thinking, and they are in education fields of study motivated by that aggenda.
Another entirely non-responsive post in response to my arguments. I'd say I'm surprised, but really I'm not.
Incidentally, if you think power actually cares about political philosophy (liberal, conservative, etc.) then you're just a puppet for those who have it. Ideologies are instruments used by those with power to keep people with less power fighting other people with less power. You're such a good puppet. Dance puppet, dance. Call your strings freedom even while someone else moves you.
Wow hello? The party is a door, bear left and open air free fall!
The liberal world view is straight out of Hell
Open your eyes and see whats behind it all.
Its the spirit of the age and that is spirit of antichrist.
Globalization and the co-exist one world religion is to empower a one world government over our lives and our souls.
God commands us to self govern, even if it costs us everything even our lives. Ruling in goodness, rewarded but not in self-elevating The greatest is the least.
We are commanded to direct our own lives, and be captains of our own souls. WhenbHe put man in the garden, He told him to subdue all the earth.
Only truth, goodness, mercy, can truely be free. America was listening for God and heard Him in 1776
To co-exist in pollitical correct (in)tolerance is to live in a dark pit of collectivism, like an unmarked grave.
The Bible self defines itself. And confirms itself by confirming facts by 2 or 3 witnesses.
So, an interpretation should be interpreted by itself. And the Bible is the truth of the reality so to speak.
So, the Bible is self defining. And all the events around us are interpreted by it! By it, the Word of God.
So you need to be more like Gideons 300 when drinking the water. Be alert with the Word in your hand and be ready to interpret all things by it!
He literally made the worlds by it. He litterally appointed our times by it. Our names are even in it somewhere. Because without it, NOTHING came into being.
He spoke His Word and then it was finished!
We have a copy of that Word in our hands, and the Spirit of truth drops the scales from our eyes, and we see men like trees walking about!
Even if a word or two was messed with in our manuscript. The Spirit leads us, these things are unclear to those who cant hear or see!
But the Spirit seals the elect from the flood of darkness and deception that has been poured out on this generation. This is TODAY'S "Spirit of the Age!"
Will He find faith on the earth? Jesus made this statement referencing particularly this final generation. Dense, like an unreasoning mind has been given to them.
We have to bind the strongman, which is the Spirit of this Age. The time is short!
Our warfare over darkened minds is with the Spirit of the Age ... deluded their minds.
Truth has been lieing dead in the streets.
God is breathing life into it and now its standing as a witness against them, and will begin to lead many to righteousness.
Then the witnesses will lie dead for 1260 days....
We have to lift up truth in the streets right now against the flood of deceptions. We need to expose the lies. Which God is doing by opening the Book like a scroll, and revealing mysteries from the beginning!
Every jot and tittle is everything ever ibserved from the beginning to the end.
And eternal life is beyond this heaven and earth.
This one will be done away with, as His Kingdom comes, and His will be done on earth as it is in Heaven!!!!
No, I don't see. Because citing any evidence as evidence of itself is begging the question. That's an elementary logical fallacy. (But sure, yes, I'm the dense one.)
You say ......We were great because each individual's rights and boundaries were considered. The American idea or world view managed that individually according to the golden rule.....
That's absolute nonsense during the lifetime of many people still around blacks were considered of no more value than a beast of burden .
You then go on to bring Evolution into the debate and make another ridiculous statement by claiming we are ' de -evolving ( your word not mine ) Evolution is fact get over it and it has nothing to do with this debate .
America like all countries has gone through trials and there's more to come , when you get a country that recently put forward two of the most despicable individuals in the presidential race you wonder what's going on .
Ouside America almost no one believed Trump had a ghost of a chance but yet here he is acting as the glove puppet for Mike Pence a man who looks like a rabbit staring into a spotlight anytime he is asked a question that's a bit ' tricky ' , America should get ready to go back to 1950 with this religious nut calling the shots , he is totally against abortion , LGBT rights , public school funding , sceptical of climate change , opposed to any restrictions on assault rifles ,
Finance records from a 1990 run for congress show Pence who was 31 at the time used political donations to pay the mortgage on his home , his credit card bill , groceries ,golf tournament fees and his wife's car payment and of course he is deeply religious making him typical of a fair proportion of hypocritical believers .
People mention the threat posed by Muslims worldwide and the global threat from terrorist attracks not realising a bigger threat is waiting in the form of a world super power that has a sizeable proportion of incredibly scary hard line religious nuts who are attempting to flush a once great country down the drain .
You are led by the propaganda perfectly. You could be a poster child example! I'm not sure if I should be impressed or scared of the total control executed so perfectly.
When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem,
2 I will gather all the nations
And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat.
Then I will enter into judgment with them there
On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel,
Whom they have scattered among the nations;
And they have divided up My land.
3 “They have also cast lots for My people,
Traded a boy for a harlot
And sold a girl for wine that they may drink.
4 Moreover, what are you to Me, O Tyre, Sidon and all the regions of Philistia? Are you rendering Me a recompense? But if you do recompense Me, swiftly and speedily I will return your recompense on your head.
5 Since you have taken My silver and My gold, brought My precious treasures to your temples,
6 and sold the sons of Judah and Jerusalem to the Greeks in order to remove them far from their territory,
7 behold, I am going to arouse them from the place where you have sold them, and return your recompense on your head.
8 Also I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the sons of Judah, and they will sell them to the Sabeans, to a distant nation,” for the Lord has spoken.
9 Proclaim this among the nations:
Prepare a war; rouse the mighty men!
Let all the soldiers draw near, let them come up!
10 Beat your plowshares into swords
And your pruning hooks into spears;
Let the weak say, “I am a mighty man.”
11 Hasten and come, all you surrounding nations,
And gather yourselves there.
Bring down, O Lord, Your mighty ones.
12 Let the nations be aroused
And come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat,
For there I will sit to judge
All the surrounding nations.
13 Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe.
Come, tread, for the wine press is full;
The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great
.
14 Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision!
For the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
15 The sun and moon grow dark
And the stars lose their brightness.
16 The Lord roars from Zion
And utters His voice from Jerusalem,
And the heavens and the earth tremble.
But the Lord is a refuge for His people
And a stronghold to the sons of Israel.
17 Then you will know that I am the Lord your God,
Dwelling in Zion, My holy mountain.
So Jerusalem will be holy,
And strangers will pass through it no more.
18 And in that day
The mountains will drip with sweet wine,
And the hills will flow with milk,
And all the brooks of Judah will flow with water;
And a spring will go out from the house of the Lord
To water the valley of Shittim.
19 Egypt will become a waste,
And Edom will become a desolate wilderness,
Because of the violence done to the sons of Judah,
In whose land they have shed innocent blood.
20 But Judah will be inhabited forever
And Jerusalem for all generations.
21 And I will avenge their blood which I have not avenged,
America should get ready to go back to 1950 with this religious nut calling the shots , he is totally against abortion , LGBT rights , public school funding , sceptical of climate change , opposed to any restrictions on assault rifles.
Lol. You just said that the country will go downhill because the leader doesnt agree with you. Pity you arent the country. You are one guy.
Yes. But not out of blind patriotism, instead out of love for the Bill of Rights we are based on, and the diversity that makes us up. That's why after criticizing a member of this site I'll defend their ability to say whatever they want to say.
You mean the Bill of Rights which we've consistently ignored, violated, and abused throughout our history to oppress and suppress the liberties? I'm not saying there aren't worse countries, but I'm critical of the idea that the BoR is something to be especially proud of...
I have faith in our founding fathers and the system they created. The system was designed to protect against one man acquiring enough power to destroy the country.
Think of it this way. Let's say you have a family reunion. Some times people are just not themselves. They say and do things they may not necessarily mean. Some family members take his side and other family members take the other side. Everyone has an opinion. But no one moves into the house next door. Their action only reflects on them, not you. You'll probably invite them again next year. If for no other reason than the entertainment value ;)
I'm proud of my country in many many ways and stand by my country. But I'm also critical and will exercise my free expression when I think I need to. And that's the living essence of what it means to be a US citizen anyway.
Hell, yeah!!! The system works as intended. I am embarassed when the world sees the imature antics of our young liberals but hopefully they'll grow up to be mature, respectable, liberals. ;)
It's not just young liberal antics the world sees. Given the massive stock movements that followed Trump's victory, we can safely infer they saw the conservative antics as well. (And if you don't think Trump's populist pandering counts as antics I just can't reason with you.) :P
+I am proud of America as a nation. That does not mean I am proud of everything we do, or everyone in it. I was much more proud before Reagan, I actually liked the man, but, he did irreparable damage to this country and it may never fully recover ... not for a long time anyway. Many of those who rant about "wanting their country back" were too young to know what the country used to be. America always had its problems but we were working on them, and making a LOT of headway .... until the middle class was destroyed, and with it, the American dream! I see NO signs that it is returning. The second bad thing was the "Contract with America" a couple of idiots started and it has developed into political hatred that wont go away soon! My pride is waning, sorry to say, but I still have hope. This new President though..... I see little hope to "get MY country back", and be proud again.
even through all the trials THROUGH HISTORY there have always been backlashes!!! There will always be problems ad it'll never stop because no one is perfect you can't just list all the problems in the world because there are some good. Also this world can never be perfect and we are doing even better then some countrys so
Yes, I am and I always will be. Why should my pride in a country be determined by what other people do? The 46% of people who voted for Trump doesn't represent the 54% that didn't. I am proud of the other 54% (maybe not the ones who voted for Stein though or Harambe). America is a great nation and although it may not seem like it now, it is a land of freedom and liberty.
Even if Hilary did win, I would still be proud to be American. I wouldn’t have like the fact that she won, but I would just simply have to get over it and live with it. I also think that Trump haters should get over with the election results and call him Mr. President.
Yes I am VERY proud to be an American ,because Trump is president now. And if you are American and not proud of it or ashamed of it can move to Iraq and be killed by Isis.
I don't think Ivanka would do that inside the magazine. Although she does have a very nice figure. I've said that if Ivanka weren't my daughter, perhaps I would be dating her.
The only thing I'm proud of is being a child of God. Nothing else matters, compared to that. Not saying the other things aren't important, but what does any of it matter if you wind up in Hell? And if you know God, then all the good things in life will follow.
Am I proud to be an American? I'll answer with a question. What difference does it make? It's only a label. People are the same sinful, miserable, violent mobs they always are. No matter where they live. I am Proud of what America once was, but it is no longer the same America. We kill unborn babies by the millions, then allow murderers to keep their miserable skins intact. We dishonor everything that was once held dear. There is no accountability for our elected officials. Corruption is endemic. Don't think that Trump can fix anything. He can't. America's condition is the result of the populace, and we have lost our way.
If you're interested in why I think this way, GOOGLE "ten signs of a dying culture." America displays all ten symptoms. Something that has never happened in all of recorded history. The only thing that can save us is a miracle. And that will never happen unless Americans humble themselves and turn back to God.
Quite literally, half of this country supports persecuting myself or my loved ones on the mere basis of our personal identities and private behavior. The other half is largely indifferent or ignorant, and equally dogmatic in their own right. Compared to our economic and political counterparts we are less happy, less healthy, less educated, etc; we have more resources but don't use them effectively. What the hell is there to be proud of, exactly?
Do you get tired of spewing pure deception and rhetoric?
Tell me who these people are persecuting you.
Are you talking about people who do not agree with Gay agendas forcing every state to change their marriage laws?
You call that persecution? GET REAL! That's called standing up for our right's to dissagree with Big Brother political correctness.
Since Trump was elected, the rhetoric from people like you against half the nation that voted for him is fanatical. You are showing your extremist ideology and why Hillary lost!
Americans have a right to dissagree with issues you like, and this does not mean you are being persecuted!
You misunderstand me, and I probably should have been clearer. I absolutely do not think that most (or even many) people are out to get me. Nor do I think that disagreement is persecution. That's paranoid and ludicrous, I agree.
My objections are against laws (real and proposed) which target me on the sole basis of who I am. That qualifies as persecution, but if you want to call it something else feel free; I get that the word has been taken out of its strict meaning by people who use it frivolously. A majority of people support some law or another which I regard as constitutionally wrongful, and often the rest are ignorant and indifferent about it since it doesn't affect them directly (most of my issues aren't mainstream issues).
This also isn't partisan for me. There are laws I object to which come from the left. Case in point, gun regulation. I think it is unconstitutional to restrict the right to bear arms on the basis of prior mental health history. Mental illness doesn't actually dispose people to being more violent, and at any rate this strips a liberty away from people on mere suspicion of ill-intent which is not consistent with due process. It's personal to me because I have a history of chronic depression; this doesn't make me a danger to others and what I do with my own life is my own bloody business so I don't need big government violating my rights and justifying it with paternalism.
Finally: My views predate this election cycle, I've voiced them before now, and I'll continue voicing them when a liberal gets elected again down the road.
I mean persecution quite literally, not the special snowflake sense of the word. I'm talking about actual laws that exist, and the people who contribute to their existence. When people support candidates or policies that treat groups of people differently under the law on the sole basis of their being in those groups, that's de jur persecution by literal definition. I'm subject to some laws like that because other people can't keep their noses out of my private life.
So long as people don't interfere in things that have nothing to do with them, then it's no sweat off my brow what they think or say about me or anyone else. Why should it be? I also don't go around proclaiming identities out of the blue, because who the hell cares? I actually lean hard libertarian, and I'm sympathetic to your disdain for liberal pansy push-overs.
So.. what do you do with a group, such as the Nazis. Can you keep them out of your country in 1938, or it just bigotry and racism? And why do liberals ignore that over 100,000 Christians were just genocided, beheaded, crucified on crosses, and burned alive in the Middle East as if that's not the biggest manifestation of "persecution" on Earth today?
If any person or group of persons is acting to persecute myself or anyone I care about, then I resist them because that is in my interest. Given who the Nazis persecuted, it would have been in my interest either to flee or resist (whichever was most expedient and realistic, really).
And not being a liberal, anything I say about why they hold their views would just be idle speculation.
You are welcome to study Islam and its connection to the Nazis. Muslims were actually a part of the Nazi SS during WWII. Hitler actually got the Nazi salute, antisemitism, and burning people alive from the Islamic Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Nazism is simply Islam without the god, which actually makes Islam worse...
I'm not interested in this irrelevant tangent. If you have something to say in response to my original remark or subsequent clarifications thereupon, then we can talk. Otherwise, ciao.
Of course there are worse places to live. Nothing I said suggests otherwise, and naturally I'm not going to go somewhere that's worse. But that doesn't mean I have to be proud of a bunch of ignorant fools who feel the need to interfere with my personal life choices.
Oh, and if "it could be worse" is really your best argument for why America is something to be proud of then you really might want to inspect your position more closely: it's pathetically weak. Keep standing there and people might start to think you're an idiot.
If the only way you can shoot down other's arguments is by calling them pathetic, your argument has no validity (or you would be using it). We are not ignorant fools and anyone can tell because you (well, Liberals in general) keep having to shut us up to keep us from destroying your argument, and we use the facts and you don't (if you want proof of this, I can write a one page long article destroying your gun control argument).
I called the argument pathetic, not the person. And, sure, I insinuated they were stupid but I don't cater to thin skin if I don't have to. I also explained why the argument was rubbish, so it was neither my sole recourse nor ad hominem. I also haven't silenced you or anyone else so you can set aside your persecution complex (oh, the irony of having to tell you that).
And by all means, if you have an argument against my gun control position then make it. Though, of course, that won't actually prove that you all use facts since it's a singular instance of a singular person doing something. But, since you're so well versed in the use of facts and reason I'm sure I didn't really need to point that out.
That half the country does not persecute you, the side that you think are the ones not persecuting and supporting you are actually just favoring you so as to get your vote on their side. That is why if you recognize any "persecuted" person with any physical characteristic, even when it is not in a bad context, you are stereotyped as hateful and bad and therefore are hated by half the country. Essentially, if you do not worship these so-called persecuted groups, then you are a "persecutor" and and are persecuted yourself because of it. You are not proud to be an American because this country does not support your immoral hypocritical values and you cannot stand it.
As I already clarified at length to FromWithin and brontorapter...
(1) I never said half the country is persecuting me, but that half the country supports my persecution; there's a difference between engaging and condoning.
(2) I'm not using 'persecution' in the snowflake sense of the word; I mean it literally. I'm not against free speech; I'm hard-line anti-censorship and generally don't care what others have to say about me (or much else, really). I'm against legal policies that unconstitutionally single out persons.
(3) I don't go in for partisan politics, so I'm just as critical of the populist left. Case in point, gun regulation. I think its unconstitutional to restrict the right to bear arms on the basis of prior mental health history. Not only does mental illness not actually dispose to higher incidence of violence, but this sort of policy strips a liberty from people on the mere suspicion of ill-intent which is inconsistent with due process.
In short, you pegged me wrong. I'm not a liberal. I detest the populist left PC culture. The reason I'm not proud to be an American is because I'm disillusioned with humanity and don't feel compelled towards nationalism as a consequence. Why would I be proud of the products of mediocrity, particularly when they limit my autonomy?
I recently moved to Canada when Trump was elected. I'll have fun laughing with Justin Trudeau while you get blown to bits with your arms war with Russia! Have Fun!
I don't think Trudeau is laughing at the moment. I am sure he is still mourning his hero, Fidel Castro's death. Might want to give him another couple months to get over that.
America may have its downsides, but it is the best country in the world. You have the right to do whatever job if you work hard. You are free to speak against the government and the freedom to be whatever religion you want to be. Maybe some people are in this country that make it seem that America is not that great, but every country has its downsides.
"You have the right to do whatever job if you work hard. You are free to speak against the government and the freedom to be whatever religion you want to be."
What makes me dislike america the most is it's people. Not everyone, but america is a nation with a high percentage of people with lesser moral standards and education. What keeps it as a leading nation is merely the top 1% who hoards money, and the millions of people who practically, unknowingly, act like guinea pigs doing the work to keep the nation running.
That is directly related to the statistics that 1% of Americans are actually being responsible with their money. The other 99% are just running around buying everything they think is cool.
Not anymore. We have a country in which people are being shoved into poverty, suicide rates are soaring while there is a opiates epidemic. 90% of Americans are sucking wind financially. And our so called leaders? They couldn't care less.
Yes I am very proud. I am first-generation American. My parents and grandparents fled here from Armenia to escape the Armenian Genocide at the hands of the Turks. They became Naturalized citizens and believed without a doubt that America is the best country in the world. I honor them every time I vote and I ALWAYS vote. I am happy they are no longer here to witness the absurdity/evil of our current so-called prez and his likeminded thugs. I am very worried about our country and awaken each day wondering whether today will be the day DOOFUS DONNY triggers a nuclear war with his mouth.
Why would I be proud of something that I was born into by random luck. Whether or not America is great, I didn't do anything to earn being an American, so I have nothing to be proud of.
UGH! Even the statement "Proud to be an American" makes me sick. It's a motto that comes at the expense of other's lives and dignity. We have a habit of looking down on others and even calling ourselves the "superior nation" What nerve we have! Stupid platitudes like "Support our troops!" "Our troops fight so we can be free!" Who the hell is trying to come over and steal our freedom? Why is it a matter of supporting our troops, when it's the people above them telling them what to do, for their own interests, not the interests of troops. Sure there's reasons to be proud of being a citizen of this country, but not for the reasons that are mainstream and popular in our arrogant, and blind culture. We need humility, and I think it's coming.