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 Are your god and nothingness the same ? (114)

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Are your god and nothingness the same ?

A god who is not visible or physical cannot be heard or take material form and has no evidence for itself is by definition indistinguishable from nothingness. If these are the characteristics you use to describe your god or similar characteristics then you have simply described nothingness.
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No. My God is not the same as an absence of anything. It's hard to explain but I take comfort in knowing God is with me. I may not be able to see Him, but I feel Him and his influence. Without Him then I really would feel nothingness, so in that sense He's a gentle light in a dark void of the Spirit.

Lol, even to me that sounded mushy, I can practically hear the collective groan and palm to face slap. But that's how best I can describe it. He gives me comfort.

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I wont give you a groan or face slap. I have nothing against a persons belief preference. It's when that belief is forced on ME, in the form of pressure or laws that I will "slap back". Also when one belief is violently (or just insistently), forced on others who have their OWN beliefs, as, "Your god is phony, mine is the only real one." THAT is the "god problem" this world has! If everyone would just believe as THEY want, and try not to influence others, we could be on our way to world peace!

I'm glad "HE gives you comfort", GREAT! "HE", whichever "HE" it is, gives others the will to force their "god's will" onto the world in general. "HE" is just a tool for a power grab! A way to get control of the masses (and the money), and become as close to a "god" as they can (like Kim). Unfortunately, HE did it without a "god", giving some a chance to group him with atheistic views. So he doesn't believe! There are MORE who DO believe that try every day to do the same!

I DO NOT believe in any god, from Allah to Zeus. That doesn't put me in the Putin/Kim/Hitler/etc. camp. I wouldn't say a word against your (or anyone's belief), if people would stop arguing about gods and their words, and stop fighting to spread them!

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I agree completely. A person has the right to believe in what or whom they want, what I hold them to are their actions. Forcing someone into a belief isn't a true belief. It would be like forcing me to like radishes because you think they are amazing, in the end if I eat them it's only to shut you up but I will never truly like them. Probably a poor example but you get what I mean. :D

If you do not believe in God that's fine. I have one friend who believes in the Norse religion, another that practices Witchcraft and a few that are practicing Wiccans, and several friends who are both Christian, Catholic, Jewish and Atheist. They are all very good people and amazingly....WE ALL GET ALONG. That's what humanity is, a melting pot of different cultures and beliefs. It makes me sad when people are so blinded by their own ego and desire to be right that they don't see how many amazing people there are out there.

Oh the their cultures food? Holy cow! Wait I think I got off topic...also I'm hungry....

jeffreyone(1368) Clarified
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Do you give him or the devil comfort when you support gay?..........。。。。.......

The two can't like the same thing.

Know your God and choose wisely.

Mint_tea(4350) Clarified
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You give the Devil comfort when you support hatred and condemnation.

Dermot(5796) Disputed
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Your inane rants are getting more cryptic by the day obviously to you they are the epitome of intellectual excellence , it's indeed fortunate you've been ' blessed ' with a massive ego and a very active imagination .

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So, an omnipotent entity wants puny humans to "comfort" him?

Ah, count me out.

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Turn on your radio or television and wonder in awe at the messages and images which seemingly come from an intangible nothingness.

Hallelujah brother, hallelujah.

Last time I had one, he sort of was - one that I designed (but, obviously, felt it like a revelation).

jeffreyone(1368) Clarified
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One that you designed. You existed before your god. is that clever? or desperation

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It's honesty, actually, one that you lack too much to have guessed correctly.

I find it rather insulting that you expected your argument to be any good.

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How do you turn nothing into something?

You preach about it,

Then collect writings of others who preach about it and claim they're a perfect manual from the god himself

Then build into it the threats that you have to go all in or else you'll regret it.

And finally, you create actual churches with bureaucracies and dogmas and physical presence so it's a touchable thing people can attend.

And now your nothing is something.

But be warned, the fact all those things above may exist does not equate to the fact that the god exists. Scientology has every one of those components. Are the scientologists more right than everyone else?

Jesus isn't nothing. He has arms, legs, and is a part of history. Atheists are relying on a magic nothing that can manifest something from its magical nothingness.

The Sims cannot see, touch, etc etc their maker either. Nor can they see you. But guess what...

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"A god who is not visible or physical cannot be heard or take material form"

I don't think anyone defines their God this way. Omnipotence would allow one to be heard, seen and to take physical form if they chose. I think what you're saying is that the believer hasn't personally heard, saw or touched God. The only problem is that the same applies to Julius Caesar yet the vast majority have belief in him.

Dermot(5796) Clarified
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They chose not to reveal themselves terribly shy by nature no doubt 😊 Yes a believer hasn't seen ,heard or touched a god yet they claim they exist .

Julius Caesar's name and/or image appeared on coinage from 49 BC until his death.

A Roman coin was struck in 44BC, commemorating the murder of Julius Caesar. 60 of these coins are known to survive in silver, and 1 or 2 in gold.

(http://www.theguardian.com/cultu...)

That is ONE coin, never mind all the other coinage of the era that survives, and never mind the busts, stone tablets, carvings, books, and other records that still exist.

Go to the British Museum and you'll see more than 11 evidences of Julius Caesar in a single display case.

Evidence for a god any god ? Zero so far , as for Jesus reputable historians agree a wandering preacher named Jesus lived but never suggest the miracle working one as suggested by the religious but a mere man of that name and occupation

WinstonC(1232) Clarified
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Coinage is serving as a witness account here, whereas the biblical texts, statues, etc. aren't? I'm not arguing that the bible is true (I don't believe it is) but you seem willing to accept one account as valid evidence and not another. King David and his God are both dealt with as equally real in the bible. Now, I do think the evidence for King David is stronger than that for his God (once again I'm not Christian). I just don't think you can dismiss multiple accounts as not being evidence, even though it obviously isn't proof.

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If I did have a god, it would be physically nothingness much like a ghost.

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God is an actual concept. He may or may not be real but he is an actual concept. Just like evolution. Evolution may or may not be real but it is an actual concept. You cannot experience evolution with your five senses but it is not nothing was.

Dermot(5796) Disputed
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So god is a concept ? Which is an abstract idea .

Abstract

adjective

ˈabstrakt/

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existing in thought or as an idea but not having a physical or concrete existence.

Why do you say ... actual .... concept ?

Thank you for argreeing that god is just a thought or idea 👌

zale(46) Disputed
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So does that mean that the concept of evolution is just a thought or idea? Some concepts can exist including God.

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The god of an atheist is it's own mind, and the atheist wishes it were the same as nothingness so it can get out of reality in death and not be judged by God.

Dermot(5796) Disputed
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The god of a theist is in its own mind and the theist wishes it were the same as something so it can get into reality in life and be judged by nothing

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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I'm not interested in your comments .

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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I'm not reading your post, Dermy....................................................................................

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Oh, didn't know this was Dermit's repeated foolishness or I would have stayed away.....no point in wasting time with a Hermit who is bound and determined to die.

Dermot(5796) Disputed
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We are all going to die you idiotic beast , regards repeated foolishness yes you do tend to drawl on a bit ..... trying to convince yourself .......

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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You have the manners of a rabid gorilla, or a devil-monkey, and I lost interest in your comments.

NowASaint(1389) Clarified
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There's no point for me to read the rants of a fool, Psalm 14..............................................................

Technically, yes, as there is a hindu god called shiva, whose name means "that which is not".

http://isha.sadhguru.org/blog/yoga-meditation/history-of-yoga/who-is-shiva-meaning/

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Psalm 14 .

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