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Depressed (355)

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I'm a right-leaning centrist but when I say 'centrist' most political fanatics force me to pick so I pick slightly less state control and a little more inequality to add some spice to the scene.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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thousandin1 (1931) Clarified

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This is about where I stand as well, although we still disagree on some key things!

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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ThePyg (6738)

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I believe in Free Markets and the right to pursue your own happiness.

I have some sympathy for the Anarcho-Socialists on situations of ownership of land and natural resources, but in general I do believe in private property.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Depressed (355) Disputed

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Those born into poverty have no means of escape in a right-wing community so if your motive is other's happiness, you should be left-wing. This is the selfish wing, not the caring one.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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ThePyg (6738) Disputed

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Those born into poverty have no means of escape in a right-wing community

They have no means of escape in a Statist community where the State serves the interests of those who can influence the power structure. In a Free Market, all businesses rely heavily on pleasing the consumers and pulling in labor. What mostly prevents the poor from creating or having jobs is the State's heavy regulation and prohibitions. If you legalize marijuana but regulate and tax it, only the corporations will benefit. If you legalize marijuana and do not involve the state in its regulation, the poor can easily grow their own and provide for a profit. The state makes growing your own food illegal. The state makes providing food for the homeless illegal unless heavily regulated, which is expensive.

the state is the enemy of the poor. Not entrepreneurs. We are all entrepreneurs in pursuit of our own interests. Privately we donate to charity and the only thing that destroys private contributions is the State and it's monopoly on power and taxation.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Depressed (355) Disputed

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You obviously don't understand the concept of aristocracy and inherited income. Three generations down the line any right-wing society will be corrupt as fuck from the inside-out.

It will be the rich entrepreneurs catering for the rich consumers letting the poor labour away for a wage that has no minimum cap.

It's cruel and merciless, aint no 'happiness' in that world.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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ThePyg (6738) Disputed

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You obviously don't understand the concept of aristocracy and inherited income

Aristocracies are formed by the State. Land grants, subsidies, patents, copyrights, etc. Bill Gates and Steve Jobs didn't magically make billions of dollars. They seized the right to specific coding and kept competition from selling the same type of products for years because government gave them the ability to.

There are people who just own thousands of acres of land with no justification other than a government approved deed. In a free society that would be impossible unless a large amount of people actually agreed to that ownership in the first place, and they would likely agree upon certain parameters.

The "aristocracies" today are mostly the owners of the largest banks since the US pays them to maintain the Federal Reserves paper currency, and the largest banks will never go down for the US accepts them as "too big to fail." A whole Aristocracy could have been eliminated by the economic collapse, but it was the State that kept them rich and unaccountable.

The free market is simply free trade among the resources created and distributed by the people. You can build a house and I can provide food and provisions for you while you build me a house. There is no paper currency unless a private bank decides to provide the service, but the difference in a free market is that there would be hundred of small private banks that people can choose to accept their own currency or not. There is no standardization and a practical impossibility to accumulate so much wealth.

Statism fuels the aristocracies in so many ways that you can't even imagine.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Depressed (355) Disputed

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In a free market, the children of the rich automatically have an unfair head start due to an unimaginably higher level of education, with some impoverished children having no education opportunities at all.

They may have been as intelligent and perhaps even more capable of business acumen than Bill Gates and Steve Jobs but never had the chance to prove it.

Left-wing ensures every child has a fair chance at success despite their ancestor's income.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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ThePyg (6738) Disputed

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the children of the rich automatically have an unfair head start due to an unimaginably higher level of education,

Knowledge isn't bought. The education system is a means to obtaining knowledge, but it's not like it's the only way.

Plus, the public education system is far more detrimental towards poor people than simply letting them find their own ways to educate the children, sustain their own economies, etc. Impoverished children, in today's regulated and heavily taxed society, STILL receive some charitable education that is far better than public schooling. Remove all those barriers that the state creates and you open up the door for free people to pretty much find their own ways, expand charity, etc. Removing the state removes hierarchies and places all people equally (especially since removal of the federal reserve would greatly decrease the strength the financial sector has, getting rid of the "unimaginably" rich.) Even if some people have more than others, without a state that having of more is dependent on how many people you can please, not on how many resources you can "buy".

They may have been as intelligent and perhaps even more capable of business acumen than Bill Gates and Steve Jobs but never had the chance to prove it.

Because of patent laws, regulations, and contracting that came from the government.

Left-wing ensures every child has a fair chance at success despite their ancestor's income.

Without a state, it doesn't really matter whether a community identifies as Right wing or Left Wing. Supposed Left Wingers will allocate their communal resources in a collective fashion which may or may not work, but Right Wingers will allow for the pursuit of self interest and free trade, which may or may not work. Regardless, elimination of State is key to ensure that people ACTUALLY have a fair chance, because maintaining the state allows for predatory type entrepreneurship. And it's not like they have much of a choice. If Bill Gates and Steve Jobs DIDN'T try to patent every bit of code they could get their hands on, others would, causing them to quickly lose everything and creating new giant corporations. The State actually reinforces predatory type business dealings.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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thousandin1 (1931) Disputed

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I dispute this because I've done it myself. See my dispute to your other post below.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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TheEccentric (3382)

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While people with less money should be looked after by the state wealth should not be evenly distributed.

If you are a doctor and have worked hard for that position why should you get payed as much as a toilet cleaner who hasn't?

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Depressed (355) Disputed

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How do you know what struggle and length of hard work that toilet cleaner went through to survive the ghetto?

Just saying, first research the background, then judge the work.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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thousandin1 (1931) Disputed

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What about those who start out in the ghetto and manage to pull themselves to something higher?

When I was born, my parents were living out of a storage unit and my dads company issued work van- their only vehicle at the time.

We went on to a housing project from there, and gradually worked ourselves out of it. I worked my own way through college as well- community college at first, then certifications in my field, and currently working towards by Bachelors (finally).

I understand that there is a lot of cultural pressure at work as well, but bottom line- why should someone who does not put in the effort to better themselves and their position in life enjoy the same rewards as someone who does?

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Depressed (355) Disputed

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Have you ever cleaned every bathroom in an office building?

Come back telling me that wasn't hard work.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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thousandin1 (1931) Disputed

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It is hard work, but it is not difficult work. Proper procedures for cleaning a bathroom can be taught inside of 5 minutes.

Jobs involving manual labor are valued less than those involving technical skill simply due to supply and demand. Anyone can do manual labor- some may struggle at first, but the very act of doing it makes it easier.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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Stickers (1037)

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I'm a centrist by US standards, but that makes me right-wing by international standards.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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amylynn93 (115)

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I feel more comfortable saying "right wing" than Republican, simply because I'm not an extremist. Each party has their pros and cons, I agree and disagree with both. But I'm definitely more conservative, socially and economically.

10 years ago Side: Right wing

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HoldTheMayo (5913)

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I don't think the left-wing/right-wing dichotomy makes much sense, but I'm more left-wing on average.

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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Thejackster (518)

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Same here, I may not agree 100% with left wing principles, but i fit in that category for the most part

10 years ago Side: Left wing

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PhxDemocrat (13121)

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I am on the brilliant side. The Left Wing offers great ideas.

8 years ago Side: Left wing

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