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Keep the Articles! We need the Federalists' Const
Debate Score:204
Arguments:112
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Articles of Confederation: Keep them or move to new Constitution (Feds. v. Antif

Farmers and artisans go against bankers, speculators, and intellectuals as the country decides which direction it will take: inward and westward or outward towards Europe.  Trading or farming, growing or selling, state government based or centered around a strong central government. Choices, choices, choices....

Keep the Articles!

Side Score: 100
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We need the Federalists' Const

Side Score: 104
8 points

90% of the Country's population works the land as farmers. Our interests are the greatest. The banks want to take the lands of the people, of veterans. The veterans cannot pay for their debts because the national government have not paid them, but it is the States that are responsible for this - not the weak central government. If the Articles are modified in order to make the states pay their dues to the national legislature in full, there would not need to be a central government to collect taxes for themselves. The Federalists paint this feet as impossible because they seek only to strip us of our freedom. They claim it is to make our nation powerful, but did we just not fight a powerful nation that squandered our liberties? What was all that effort, bloodshed, and suffering for? It is certainly not to endure tyranny, even by a different flag! They speak of expansion towards Europe, but it is the West we must expand into! We have all this land to use, borders to dispute and draw, state level quarrels to resolve. This is where all the focus should be, good people: the states. Let the Federalists build the wealth of Europe upon their shores and leave the people outside their states to rule themselves. They wish only to steal the wealth of the lower class in order to fund their ambitions, these bankers and merchants. Is rule by some distant tyrant not what we shed blood for? The state capital is neither abusive of our liberty nor distant. We are not barred from the central government's legislation, but we shall be with the adoption of this new constitution! It is no coincidence that once we are expelled its power is to swell! While our young country is not absolved of all fault, modification of the Articles shall fix our issues while leaving power in the farmer - he who grows, not the banker - he who looks to take from the one who grows - or the speculator - ones in cahoots with the bankers to make profits. With their standing army, the Federalists may enforce this theft as though it is just. While it may be agreed upon as such it shall only be agreed as such by members of their circles! Do you see not the doom which shall set in if the Federalists are allowed their own document? They will start anew I tell you, and in discarding the Articles, they disregard what set this nation apart from any other upon this globe: rule by the people for the people!

Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

I think we should keep the articles of confederation it will spread the power more so that the elites can not take over the government and cause the lower class citizens to live in fear of losing their property and becoming bankrupt.

Side: Keep the Articles!
Karen1018w(7) Disputed
2 points

Citizens won't lose their property or become bankrupt. The Constitution will better our nation because it will be much more organized....

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
Aaleeyah(2) Disputed
1 point

The articles of confederation spread the powers too much and their are too many different things the states are doing differently to make a successful well oiled government. The constitution can do this because it will create a more uniform government.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
JamesAcorn(7) Disputed
1 point

The way the new nation is set up allows for the rabble to overthrow/rebel against the government if they feel that there are problems at hand. The idea that farmers and craftsmen would allow the wealthy class to take over the government under there noses is undermining to the working class. The working class is afraid of losing their land because they can't pay taxes that the beloved state governments placed on their land. If the Constitution is put in place, the land will not be taxed and a way for the farmers to successfully pay off their debts will be laid out.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

The Articles of Confederation should be kept. This document gives the power to us the people. The people control what happens in our government. The state can make laws that work for them and make them specific laws that fit the needs of the people instead of laws that fit someone that has never lived a life like ours, the people, but instead is an elite class person that makes laws that we would have to follow that only benefits them.

Side: Keep the Articles!
nlivingston(3) Disputed
3 points

This was Cameron G

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Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

We should keep the Articles because the constitution is entirely too vague. We can fix the Articles and put a more equal and specific distribution of powers into it instead of completely scrapping all the individualism of the states.

Side: Keep the Articles!
BJordan19(8) Disputed
1 point

From a federalist point of view , the Articles of Confederation gives entirely to much power to the states . We should create the constitution , because it would make us a federal government and we would have a checks and balances system . A checks and balances system is a system that doesn't allow one group or set of people to have too much power.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

We should keep the articles because the Articles are more definte. The Constitution is less specific from the Articles. For example, The regualte commerce is not specifc All states are equal. We may not have no standing army. Militia is what we prefer. Our Congress cannot act without the consent of nine states permission. This is just a fair policy amongst the Articles.

Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

I think that the states should have some power along with the Federal Gov. aswell because when has a freedom ever started with the head hancho at the steering wheel all the time? I believe that the power should be spread because the 'steering wheel' need to be shared among the states along with the federal gov. The American Revolution happened for a reason, to break away from the king and not become a monarchy. I believe in power distributed and that sovereignty would be stripped of the states.

Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

Keeping the Articles of Confederation would be the best solution because the power should remain within the states and help most of the nation, the common citizen. No one would want a group of elites controlling us, the rabble. We need something that would protect our personal rights, our land, and our money. The Article of Confederation would be better than creating a whole new Constitution.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

I agree with what you said especially that we should accomodate to the common citizen. We have to think about what is best for the country as a whole and we cant assume that the constitution is best for the whole country we have to consider the people in the US and how much they make and what they do and where they live, etc

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

I agree with this. The Constitution is not focused on what makes us united, the common citizen. With the articles of confederation we are able to have more power to control what is happening in our state. The elites that would be controlling every state wouldn't know or wouldn't care to know what was happening in a small town in Virginia so to speak. They are worried about themselves and their own investments, and they are installing fear into us to try and win us over.

Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

I believe we should keep the Articles of Confederation because I feel the Constitution is going against me, the majority. I am not fond of the idea of having an executive and judicial branch. We just got away from a king and I feel having an executive branch will bring that power back. Also, the Judicial branch will take away the power of the states, which is a power we feel is better for our country. In conclusion, we believe the constitution is not in the favor of us, the workers, the farmers, the laborers, but in favor of the elites.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

We should keep the Articles because the Articles goes more into detail about each topic than the Constitution does. The articles seems to be more for the people and the Constitution seems to care more about the government. I mean there are perks for both sides but the Articles has better reasons.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

To add on, the constitution seems to be moving towards monarchy. We just got away from that. Which is why we should keep the Articles, which is for the people.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

I think we should keep the articles of confederation for a multitude of reasons. One of them being the possibility of the government abusing their power and this affecting the people negatively. For the example the constitution is way to vague to understand so next thing you know the government could take advantage of that and slowly take land, to much tax, etc... the possibilities are endless. Sure the articles of confederation aren't perfect but a a bit of work and we're in business.

Side: Keep the Articles!
NTBlakeney(1) Disputed
1 point

With the constitution, there would be people to represent the every-man in congress and the issues they have. If that person isn't favorable by the rabble, then they would vote for someone new during the next chance they get. As for the constitution being to vague, any power not listed in there is given to the states, and with it being vague, states can add on to those rules to make them more clear.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
mgbmere(14) Disputed
0 points

How can we trust artisans and farmers to run a substantial government? I agree that we should give power to the people, but it can not be complete power. We must run a government through educated officials for the people's best interest.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
jaredbrock(5) Disputed
1 point

With the Articles everyone has equal power. Elites and the rabble. But if we allow the central government to be run by elites and the "educated," decisions will not be made in favor of the rabble because the elites do not know what we need. With the constitution the decision that is "best for the people" will really be best for the elites.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

The Constitution has many roots in the Articles of the Confederation. In a way the constitution, while different, is based in its predessor. While not giving the central government power to tax, the Articles give a large amount of power to the people. The constitutuion advocates standing armies while the Articles advocate militas, this gives power to indiviual states in the form of militias instead of the government having all the power.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

We should keep the articles! The power needs to stay in the states! If the elite rule, then the farmers, artisans, and merchants will all live in fear that they will go bankrupt and loose their land! This is not fair at all. The constitution is way to vague as well. Fixing the articles is the right way to go.

Side: Keep the Articles!
miraclem(4) Disputed
2 points

Why would we let the states have all the power? We need a government to keep everybody equal and on the page.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
NeshaaP(4) Disputed
1 point

The articles are proving to not be enough. We need a strong central government to help the states work together. The constitution we have proposed will not lead to farmers, artisans, and merchants going bankrupt it will only decrease the chaos the articles have created. You say fixing the articles is the way to go, well, that's what the constitution is.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

We should keep the Article of Confederation because it will give more people opportunities and they won't live in fear of losing their human rights, property, and go bankrupt.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

I think we should keep the Articles because there would be more power to the people individually and what would be the point of leaving a country where you're being ruled by someone else to look for freedom and end up right back in the previous situation (the president is just another form of a dictator). The Constitution will just lead to a dictatorship. Any problems federalists have with the Articles could be revised and we could still keep the general points of the Articles. Everyone could be satisfied without having to move to a new Constitution.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

I believe that we should keep the Articles of Confederation because the power should remain within the states. We can't afford to risk having another king. I do not want a group of elites controlling us citizens. We need something to protect our personal rights. The Article of Confederation is better than the Constitution.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

We should keep the articles! The power needs to stay in the states! If the elite rule, then the farmers, artisans, and merchants will all live in fear that they will go bankrupt and loose their land! This is not fair at all. The constitution is way to vague as well. Fixing the articles is the right way to go.

accidentally posted this onto Jacobs profile, discard that.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

We should keep the articles because it provides the most protection over the majority in the states which is farmers and artisans. Citizens in each state have direct access to information about their government, whereas with the Constitution it is not specified whether people will have access to information about their government. With the Articles, state affairs stay within the state while with the Constitution the federal government can get involved with its vague sections such as the necessary and proper clause. The articles is here to protect the rabble and keep the elite from taking advantage of the rabble.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

The power needs to stay close to the people. With the Constitution comes a strong federal government that only the rich can afford to be a part of, leaving out the common folk. The "elites" should not be the only ones that have a say in this country. If the Federalists want change so bad, we should just amend the Articles and keep the power in the people. The Constitution is too vague and poses a threat to true democracy! Keep the Articles and majoritarian rule!

Side: Keep the Articles!
Devdev0801(5) Disputed
1 point

We have to replace the constitution because it is nearly impossible to amend the articles as you say we should as it requires unanimous vote across the states.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

I think we should keep the articles of confederation. The articles give power to the people. we are able to decide how our state is ran. We understand that we are all under one government but with The Constitution we are ruled by a tyranny of elites. Our country will be ran by those like the king. We are good with the articles. the articles of confederation keeps the power in the hands of the people because who knows how ti run rule the people than the people themselves.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

i believe we should keep the articles of confederation so the power is spread between the states and not the central government because elites could take over and be just like England. just like England the central government could over tax the people instead of letting the states decide how much taxing they need because the people could in the lower class. another reason against the constitution is because the main people who do support the constitution are mainly eastern people trying to take farmers land and sell it to the highest bidder. we also believe the judicial branch will take power from the local governments and make it were someone a thousand miles away and not knowing the actual people. we the anti confederates want to be a self sustaining country and not rely on trade from other countries.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

I think that we should keep The Article of Confederation. I believe that the articles could be revised to something great. The states should have the power to make laws that pertain to the state. Rather then having a vague constitution that will give laws that may not pertain to some state, the states could make laws that would pertain to the culture of the states. The states would get more out of the laws if they made them to govern themselves.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

As an Anti-Federalist, I believe that we should stay with the Articles of Confederation. Most of the problems presented by the Federalists are things that are already addressed in the Articles of Confederation. As a nation, we have simply failed to exercised the rights of the national government to its fullest extent. To fix our nation and protect our civil liberties, we should just amend what is already in the Articles of Confederation, rather than rewriting a new Constitution. There is no problem in expanding the Articles of Confederation; however, a national government is dangerous for us as a nation, which is why the Articles of Confederation could be expanded, but the national government does not need to have an excess of power.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

The Articles are for the people! States need to be in control of themselves. The national government doesn't understand the struggles of the rabble. We just got away from tyranny, and do not need to let a single government or person control us. We can fend for ourselves. The government has already broken their promise to us and we cannot afford to give them a second chance.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

Unless we fought for our independence from a tyrant to become an aristocracy, or even a monarch, we should keep the Articles of Confederation. Federalists want a central government that will assume the states' debt and have a standing army. The only reason the elites want a central government to assume the states' debts is to have power over them, and turn the United States into an aristocracy, where us, the hardworking Americans, are taken advantage of. A standing army will be used against us to bully us into submission, and we will be no better off than we were before we gained our independence. Most of this country is made up of farmers and artisans, so the thoughts and opinions of them should be taken with more weight, as they would be under the Articles. Under the new constitution, only the rich elite will truly have any power to make change, and do you think they will help out the average, hard-working American? Think about all the lives that will have been wasted in the Revolution if we allow ourselves to turn right into an oligarchy.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

I think we should keep the articles of confederation because lower class people will be living in fear not knowing when they will go bankrupt and lose their lands and stuff. the lower class people want to feel included so stronger state governments would protect everyone from farmers to elites will be protected under the articles of confederation.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

power to the states

we should keep the articles we just left a monarchy why go to a monarchy of a group of wannabe kings

we have to pay taxes to the national gov. because we need to pay off debt we owe its our we will pay it ourselves

and no standing army majority of the americans who fought werent soldiers they were civilians

Side: Keep the Articles!
JamesAcorn(7) Disputed
2 points

Keeping the articles would only further separate our nation. Monarchy and separating power into 3 different branches is two entirely different things. States are currently not handling their debt and putting that into the nations hand would stop all the confusion and stop the states from further pulling apart.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
khopkins(4) Disputed
1 point

They do not want to be kings, but they want to see our country prosper. There is too much chaos when there is too much democracy. The Constitution and the government system is not meant to take away your rights, but to structure our country in order for it to have better national and international relationships. It helps solve issues instead of having no structure and too much democracy.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

I believe that we should keep and revise the Articles of Confederation. The Federalists are attempting to create a dictatorship worse than the King. As it stands, Congress already has power under under Article IX of the Articles of Confederation. The people are more afraid of the Federalist's "solution" and the future dictatorship it sends our country hurtling towards. The people would much prefer to revise the articles, then risk our freedom to these new elites.

Side: Keep the Articles!
KeanuC(23) Clarified
2 points

Dictatorship or Oligarchy/Aristocracy? Dictatorship is absolute rule in one person, which the constitution does not advocate for.

Side: Keep the Articles!
KeanuC(23) Disputed
1 point

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Side: We need the Federalists' Const
mgbmere(14) Disputed
0 points

In no way does the constitution indicate is heading towards a dictatorship. In fact, the Constitution is based up a system of checks and balances making sure that no one branch has complete control. As a federalist, our solution to unify the nation seems much more practical than continuing as a heterogeneous group of city states.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

The Articles of Confederation should be kept. With the articles, the people are able to be more included in the government and the government will not be able to be so controlling. The articles allow for a spread of power and stop elites from gaining all control. The articles are also much more specific than the constitution.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

The Articles of Confederation is what America needs to stick with. The states should have the power, not a central form of government! We have to protect ourselves from ever having a tyrant over us again! There is no need for a standing army when we have perfectly good militias! Militias would not fight against their own people! Additionally, the articles give the states power to regulate taxes over their own citizens. Why should the federal government have so much control over people they no nothing about? The Articles of Confederation are for America.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

We should keep the articles of confederation. It would keep the power separated and keep power equal throughout. It would also keep the citizens from getting overwhelmed by the central government by bankruptcy or losing their property. Also, when the power is separated, the states can deny a stupid mistake made by the central government.

Side: Keep the Articles!
mgbmere(14) Disputed
1 point

What about Shays rebellion? That was an example of why a strong institution is needed. The country does not need separation in a time like this. What we need is to come to together. Without a centralized government, we are unable to enforce the treaties we made with other nations, and with each passing day, we fall deeper in debt to France.

Wouldn't you agree that farmers would benefit from having control of the Mississippi River? Without a strong standing military, Spain will continue to step on the toes of the farmers.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

We need to keep the Articles of Confederation to give the states power and not let the central government become too strong/powerful. We can not risk jeopardizing our democracy by letting the central government become too strong to where it is a monarchy. Those are just two of many reasons why we need to keep the Articles of Confederation.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

We need the Articles! The constitution gives too much power to the national government and it will overshadow the hardworking citizens of this country. We'll be under tyrannical rule before we know it. We need to give more power to our state governments instead. Each state will have at least one representative to act as their voice. This will make it feel like the citizens do matter and their voices are heard.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

It is crucial that we remember our roots: the original document from the founding of our country. Natural rights for the people by the people. Why implement a government in which your chosen elites confer within themselves about what is best for the majority of this nation? Excuse me, I meant 3/4 of a government. How could you ever expect us to ratify a general document with such vague limits on YOUR power? We have gone years without this document. We have birthed a nation and won a war against tyranny under the Articles of Confederation. It is extremely disrespectful that you attempt to pass these ridiculous Old World ways under our noses when we fought so valiantly to banish them from this land. You "intellectuals" pass your knowledge off to mean that you should govern our country. What makes your document better than any revision we could make to the Articles to fix the problems we are currently going through?

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

Let's keep the Articles of Confederation, I say! Why let our government be ruled by people who will only rule only for their self interest and pleasure. We should have a government that is ruled by the people and for the people. Allowing the Federalist to establish their form of government is a laugh at the faces of the common man and it'll only stir up more fear in the lives of the American people. We will be giving all power to one person. So why great a nation ruled by one person, when we just broke away from something like that? The U.S will only end up becoming like the British.

Side: Keep the Articles!
4 points

We need a Constitution to create a strong central government. It is the best way to govern our country and it is necessary to preserve liberties. We have more experience, were well educated and were a proper class. We need the Constitution to keep the states from having too much power. The anti-federalist are feared, which gives us a greater chance to get the Constitution.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

I totally agree with you on that we need to keep the Constitution because no one person should have too much power and the federalist are more educated which will give them a better chance at the Constitution.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
madibigler(6) Disputed
2 points

I disagree. You want a strong central government so it will benefit the "more experienced", the "well educated", and the "proper class", the class YOU are apart of. What about the majority? the laborers? the farmers that are out everyday working? We are content with the Articles of Confederation. Yes, it might have a few kinks but that's something we can change and work out. Not make a whole new constitution that benefits the minority. The Federalists are whipping up fears of chaos to win support for their constitution. You guys are only concerned mainly with protecting your wealth and investments. Our political system must be grounded in the common citizen--not a privileged elite. We must not give up the rights we shed blood to gain.

Side: Keep the Articles!
lexik Disputed
1 point

I disagree we do not need the the "proper class" running our countries. If we allow the "proper class" to run our country we will end up with another king and history will continue to repeat itself. We are doing just fine without the changes of the New Constitution. Creating fear of chaos isn't going to help you win over the states for the New Constitution.

Side: Keep the Articles!
yelnnikcm(3) Disputed
0 points

the constitution takes away our voice it doesnt take it all the way away but it silences our voice

Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

We should keep the Constitution because it gives the power to those that should have it. Federalists are the responsible ones when it comes to money and government. Anti federalists are jumping ahead of themselves. The Articles give them power, but they have no idea of how to run a government. They will destroy themselves.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
lawson1027(2) Disputed
0 points

The constitution should not be kept because it gives power to the elites and gives less power to the people. We the people should have control of our government and not the elites that will only do things that benefit their needs and not the needs of mant, the needs of the people.

Cameron G

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Side: Keep the Articles!
3 points

The articles of confederation are not working. States are running off on their own and, for the most part, acting as 13 separate countries. The United States of America is supposed to be united. The Articles of Confederation keeps the states from coming together. The constitution ties each of the states together. America will start acting as one country with the Constitution.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

In order to keep our country from being thrown into more chaos, we need to adopt the Federalists' constitution. With our current constitution, the Articles of Confederation, the government isn't given enough power to receive taxes and therefore couldn't assist the states of form any type of standing army to protect the US citizens. Without instituting a new constitution we are putting our country at great risk of turning into a state of anarchy.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
3 points

We need the Federalists' Constitution because we need a strong central government that can preserve liberties. If we have this constitution, we will be able to act on behalf of all of our citizens. The laws will be enforced fairly and consistently. The Constitution's division of power among the three branches (Legislative, Judiciary, and Executive) of the national government can also protect our freedoms and liberties by each branch having the authority to check the other for abuse, excess power, and corruption. The Preamble of the Constitution will emphasize and make the importance of individual rights a priority. This Constitution brings a structure to our government unlike the Articles of Confederation. Our nation can be governed by elected officials of our choice that are full of wisdom, virtue, and experience. Our elected officials will also have limited terms so that they don't become corrupt and drunk with power. The Constitution can also help us advance in our foreign relations, allowing us to pay our debts, protect our people, and enforce the treaties that we have with foreign countries. It will also keep the government officials from turning to their own self interests for their own advantage at the expense of the nation's citizens. The strong, central government that we will have if we have the Federalists' Constitution can settle disputes among the states and prevent uprisings. We need this constitution to help us solve many problems and to protect our nation.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

To help our nation not become an anarchy we need to adopt the constitution. The constitution will give us structure. The national government has no power to tax so it is falling into debt. The states are taxing it's citizens way too much and the people need the government to regulate it. Letting our governments be controlled by popular forces will cause anarchy and civil war and some states have already slid into self-destruction. We need a strong unified nation and the constitution will help us come together and prevent us from continuing on the downward spiral that we are on. The Anti-federalists are frightened believing that the national government will take away the natural rights of life, liberty, and property. However, the preamble emphasizes the importance of individual rights. The constitution is in the interest of the public good

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
KeanuC(23) Disputed
0 points

The constitution establishes a plutocracy! They will not, per se, take away our rights, but the Federalists seek to establish a economy based on trade with other nations, not trade within our friendly league. The wealth of the few shall be increased while nothing is gained for the common man. I agree, the Articles in their current state are a mess, but the constitution takes too much power away the states and the people. The Constitution does seek to improve the economy, but the writers of the Constitution, the Federalists, will benefit from this shift in economic focus. The bankers and merchants will sit upon heaps of gold while the farmer struggles, barred out from the government. The majority do not benefit from the adoption of the constitution!

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

We need the Constitution to give our country structure. The Madisonian System will separate powers and provide a system called checks and balances. We are falling into debt because the national government doesn't want to tax the people. A central bank and central government with a standing army is what the states need.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
MaryEliz2(2) Disputed
1 point

The American people do not require a constitution to give them structure. The Articles of Confederation have so much potential for structure we just need to make sure is is actually enforced.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

Raven Federlist

We should keep the Constituion, because witout it it gives the rabble the power. Things can get out of hand when people have power, because they think they can make any rules they want to because they have no to handle that ower for them. The Constitution is not trying to take the rabble power away its just making things more organized.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

We need the Constitution because we need a strong central government. We do not want our states to have to much power, so we need all the branches of government to keep our nation together. We also do not need a monarchy because we don't need something similar to a king.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The Articles of Confederation simply gives the states too much power. With the power to tax, deny the central governments requests, and print their own money, the states ran their governments to the ground. Even the people rebelled against their own state governments because the states had too much power over them. To fix this we to scratch the Articles and bring in the Constitution. The Constitution will give the powers to the central government that are needed in order to save the country. With the Constitution, the federal government can fix the currency chaos, the war debt, and put down rebellions with a strong standing army.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
KeanuC(23) Disputed
1 point

And what if these rebellions are against tyranny? What stops this standing army from taking away rights and enforcing their most egregious laws? Are you going to strip away firearms too, so that the people cannot defend from this standing army? What are rebellions but the people expressing disdain with the government? We should work to alleviate the causes for concern, not crush those responding - reasonably so - to problems with their treatment. In a government intended for the people by the people, their shouldn't be an army that can be used against the people against their interests.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

While freedom is important, it should not come at a cost of law and order. With a dominant and strong central government, that the constitution will provide, the united states will be able to properly function in the good times and bad. Achieving a stronger national government and the ratification of the constitution will properly manage the debt that followed the American revolution. Especially after Shay's rebellion, political leaders recognized the deep need for a more concentrated federal power that the articles of confederation could not provide. the articles of confederation was a very weak agreement on which to set as the base for a great nation especially seeing as it doesn't even call itself the United States of America but as "a firm league of friendship"

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

Although more freedom and less structure sound appealing to some, when it boils down to it, we cannot function without structure or things will get out of hand. With a growing country, more people means more problems and it is best to establish structure in order to avoid chaos in the United States. The purpose of the Constitution isn't to have full authority over everyone and everything like England, but it gives just the right amount of power. It is understandable that there is a fear of too much power without the Articles of Confederation, but the Constitution isn't meant to do that. The branches along with checks and balances help because no one branch will get too much power.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
Nfrontz12345(2) Disputed
1 point

But, if we give the power all to the Federal Gov'ment then where will the power in the states go. If the head hancho has all of the power then the USA, which preaches life liberty and the pursuit of happiness, how could someone who disagrees with the federalist views be happy? I'm saying do not let the US become a monarchy and the states are fine look at what happened in 1777 with the national debt, the Federal Government couldn't handle the debt so the states( all thirteen of them ) paid off the debt of Merica'.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

With power being given to the individual states more so than the federal government, America is in a less organized and chaotic state. By allowing the Constitution to go through, there would be a strong federal military with trained soldiers protecting the country, rather than smaller militias of untrained men protecting the individual states, the federal government would have the ability to better tax the states, making it so that the states have to support the country they're apart of, and, in general, the country would be better unified as a whole.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The Constitution is vital for a consistently functional government. We can not take the risk of letting the people rule a government. They will have the potential of forming an anarchy without supervision. Also, people often have severely differing views, and without a strong central government, there would not be an efficient solution. It is much easier to sustain a government with a set of definite laws.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

I think we need the Constitution because it allows us to have a strong central government, and that's what we need right now. The Constitution also allows us to have separation of powers and checks and balances which ensures that no one is gaining too much power. It also makes sure we have Senators, Representatives, and state legislatures.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The Articles of Confederation is not working for our country. We should move to new Constitution to have a strong central government. With the legislative, judicial, and executive branch we would have more control over our country. With the Constitution, we would have more structure.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The government needs to be centralized in an area with the ability to tax and the ability to have a single, strong currency. In the current situation, with the Articles of Confederation(AoC), states are over taxing land owners and passing laws that contradict each other. If the government is centralized, we can have one set of strong laws that lay the general guidelines and laws for each state to follow. From there, the local and state governments can decide the things not covered by the Constitution. The constitution will be better for the people, from wealthy and uneducated to poor and physically hard working, because it will be agreed upon by the people of each state. If the AoC stay in place, the states will fall apart and Europe will come in and slowly take land from each state until the US is no more.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The Articles of Confederation needs to go. They do no create a strong central government, which is what we truly need to be a successful country. It will be easier to pass bills with more than one branch. We need the Constitution to set things straight and keep us from failing all together.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

We need a new constitution because without it our states are going to become an anarchy. The new constitution will provide a strong government for the states and create and order that people can't deny. Federalist are strong and provide for the country and are devoted to order.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The articles of confederation just aren't cutting it, our central government has no power to aid in the development of our country. They can't tax anyone without that state's consent. Who in their right mind would consent to taxes?? The government must make laws to require it if we are going to not be a broke country. The federalists' constitution will do that among other things and for that reason, the federalists' constitution must be adopted

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

We need to move towards the new Constitution if our goal is to build a unified nation, the nation was too divided under the Articles of Confederation. The Articles gave individual states too much powerful and freedom. There was no national currency, so trading with foreign nations was practically impossible and our national military was too weak if invaded by Foreigners or Indians.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

The Articles of Confederation are tearing our nation apart. The states have too much power which is resulting in America acting 13 separate unions. Adopting the constitution would stop the individual state rebellion. America needs a strong central government to keep our debts and currency under control.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
nicolebri(7) Disputed
1 point

We have the ability to gift power to the federal government under the Articles of Confederation so that we may unify taxes and currency.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

Keeping the Consititution is in our best interest. The Constitution is the option that gives us the best structure and keeps us the most United. A strong, central government is the best way to govern our country if we want to ensure that the states don't get too much power.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
JMM123(2) Disputed
1 point

I understand that the primary concern is keeping us united, but each state having equal power seems like it would be more uniting than just a single, strong central government.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

With the power that the states have under the Articles of Confederation, they do not contribute their full amount to the central government. Because of this, soldiers did not receive payments for their service in the Revolutionary War. This led to Shay's Rebellion as farmers fell into debt. There also were no soldiers to put down these said rebellions. The country could not effectively defend itself against would-be invaders.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
2 points

We should keep the constitution to have a strong central government. The Articles of Confederations gives too much power to the states.The rules of the US should all be equal all around no matter the state. The Constitution keeps the citizens of the US more organized and better educated.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
lucas12345(5) Disputed
1 point

The states all have equal voting power under the Articles, one vote each, so the states are equal. I fail to see how a strong central government keeps the US better educated, or more organized. A strong central government run by elites can be too easily turned into one man taking all the power, and turning into a tyrant. Under the Articles, that could never happen, and the interests of the average American are protected.

Side: Keep the Articles!
2 points

The constitution is needed severely. Our weak nation is crumbling and it's only a matter of time before it's gone. Our central government needs the power to tax its people to pay it's soldiers that fought for this nation to be created. Foreign creditors our making a fool of us saying we are too weak. How are we going to grow stronger as a nation if someone as little as Rhode Island is holding us back from paying our people? Mass deflation is spreading across the country, hurting our farmers. Ignorant assemblies are passing laws, not knowing what they're doing. The future looks very uncertain for our young nation.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
TheSnake(1) Disputed
1 point

Our central government needs the power to tax its people to pay it's soldiers that fought for this nation to be created.

Fought for this nation to be created? They slaughtered 11 million natives.

Foreign creditors our making a fool of us saying we are too weak

Now you sound like Hitler.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

We should move to a new Constitution because the states had too much power, and it would be better if we split the power into three branches so nobody has too much power. A strong central government is the best way to govern our country. The constitution is the best way to protect the people's rights, so everyone can be treated equally. (Federalist)

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

I agree because the Articles of Confederation is too lenient and gives the states too much power.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

I think we should go and move to a new Constitution. The Constitution only limited the government not the people. We did not want the Articles , the new Constitution was sufficient. The Articles could not provide for its defense in an emergency.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

I think we should make a new constitution. We are not guaranteed life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness in the Articles. It has no central government, and all the states govern themselves. We need a strong central government to keep this nation in line. The Articles prohibits a standing army. They only have one branch of government, while the federalists want three. Articles only allows one vote per state, while the feds allow two plus the house and senate.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

We need the Constitution so that every state is considered equal under one superior instead of each state having power. You might say that all states are equal since they all have one vote, but what about economical? States that have ports can receive more money and are able to collect their own import tax. Having the Constitution means having taxes controlled by one central government.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

The Articles of Confederation do not give enough power to the central government. Our country as a whole will fall if the states continue to carry themselves as sovereign countries and not as apart of The United States of America. The country will cripple without the ability to tax or a standing army to protect itself.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

The Articles of Confederation gave the states more power than they could handle. The states were like countries and the nation as a whole was like a continent with no order. Under the Articles, there was no unity between states, so there was no point of having a federal gov't to try to regulate with states. The Constitution gave the country a set of rules that would guarantee unity.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

Constitution we would be better for the government as a whole because it would lead to more structure across the board. With the states having different currencies and when people travel to different states it could create havoc on the economy so with the constitution and one currency it would be general across all the states.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

I think we need the federalist constitution, because it would make our country stronger. It would give our country a better structure , and the constitution will stop us from becoming a unitary democracy. The constitution will allow our country to come together as one , and we will be able to figure things out better. Meaning that we won't have to always fight in the states , because we will have distinct laws that have to be followed by everyone .

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

We need to replace the Articles of Confederation with the Constitution. The Articles of Confederation is not something a true country should abide by. It has so many issues such as a broke national government which meant that the states could not pay war debts, high state taxes, etc. Keeping the Articles of Confederation would just be disastrous for our new nation.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
CarsonM17(7) Disputed
1 point

The Articles are the most efficient way for the country to abide by. Not having to rely on a central government, allows states to have control over THEIR people (the people they know best). One vote per state is fair and logical! The 13 states can make their own decisions. We can live individually and unified under the Articles.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

The United States need a strong central government if it wants to prosper. Separately, the states are struggling, because they tax their citizens too high, can't defend themselves with their weak militias, and their different currencies are inflating the economy. With a stronger federal power, the government can regulate taxes and have a standing army that can defend us better against threats. The anti-feds argue that one group will have too much power over the farmers and artisans, but the system of checks and balances in the Constitution is set up to prevent that and give the rabble a voice as well, while still keeping the educated with more power.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
1 point

We need the constitution because the US some type of some type of structure. They wanted a decentralized government that supported the wealthy business class.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
Katie326(6) Disputed
2 points

With the structure of the Constitution comes the possibility that the rights of the majority will be taken away. Is losing a true democracy worth having the structure of the Constitution? To the anti-federalists, the answer is no. The Constitution takes away the farmers and artisans' ability to participate in government. The only people that would be able to participate in the government would be the wealthy which do not speak for the common folk. The government would simply become an elitist's tool and the common folk's enemy. With the Articles, at least everyone has access to the government and is fairly represented.

Side: Keep the Articles!
1 point

Structure. Structure. Structure. Under the Articles of Confederation, the anti-federalist are driving our nation to the ground. There is no structure, and our country will be in shambles if we do not form a centralized government. A concern of the people seems to be that with a executive branch, we are giving one man too much power, but with the Madisonian System, we have set up a system of checks and balances so no one branch has too much power. With these checks and balances, we are guaranteeing that the will of the people is being carried out.

Right now, we are acting as individuals, but for us to truly become a United Nation, we must come together and strengthen our government for the betterment of our dawning new world.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
0 points

The articles didn't give enough power to federal government. While bad during their short life, the situation would have gotten worse over time with rebellions and possible war between states due to the national governments inability to stop it.

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
0 points

Hello,

We don't use the Articles of Confederation anymore. They were eliminated. We currently DO use the Constitution. What do you mean?

Side: We need the Federalists' Const
lexik Clarified
1 point

This is a classroom debate. We are acting like they are still in place.

Side: Keep the Articles!