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As of today, I am no longer a christian.

The title says it all.It took alot of courage to make this debate. I am a little ashamed because I have alot of hardcore christians as family members and my ally srom has always been there for me and he is a christian. I have decided to become an agnostic. Maybe one day I might turn back to my religion but for now I am an agnostic.

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5 points

Animedude, it's your choice if you want to be an agnostic or an atheist for that matter. I will be your friend even if you are no longer a Christian. If you have any questions concerning God. Let me know and I'll be happy to help you. Also lolzors is good when answering questions as well.

I will never become an atheist! and thanks so much for understanding Srom. I might one day return to Christianity but for now I'm having second thoughts.

SexyBanana(306) Disputed
3 points

If you don't believe in a god then you are an atheist......................

1 point

If you ever have any questions, just let me know! Don't be afraid to ask also!

Geocentric(25) Disputed
1 point

You were never a True Christian.

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

-1 John 2:19

Noxter(92) Disputed
1 point

I never understood "Agnosticism"... It's like having faith that smurfs exist but the only book where they are mentioned is bullshit... :D

5 points

I'm not going to offer congratulations or condolences or ask why, you've made clear you don't want to go into any of that, you've also said you dont 100% like the term agnostic, why then let yourself be tied down by any label? The only advice I'd offer is be yourself find your own way, it may be that you find your way back to Christianity or not, it doesn't matter to anyone else except yourself in the end of the day it's your spiritual wellbeing you need to look after

3 points

You are not alone. This is quite interesting story of former hardcore preacher.

Dan Barker - Losing Faith in Faith Lecture

Please forgive me everyone.

3 points

You have done nothing wrong. If someone is angry with you for adopting a different view then they are just an arsehole.

1 point

^ That. You do not owe it to anyone to believe how they want you to believe.

Egh. Did not realize this was a year old post until after the fact. My bad.

FanboyReview(58) Disputed
1 point

Do you like to play Call of Duty? Because it is the best video game ever!

2 points

and no call of duty is far from the best game ever. Its a decent mediocre fps at best!

1 point

New troll?

1 point

Your life as a being that can think for itself just begun...

2 points

Does this mean you are no longer my arch nemesis?

Don't worry hellno Your still my arch nemesis. :)

1 point

Cool! Welcome to the dark side. ;)

FanboyReview(58) Disputed
1 point

I know this might seem random..... But do you know how to play call of duty.

2 points

Psalms 42:3,5,6a,9,11

My tears have been my food

day and night,

while they say to me all the day long,

“Where is your God?”

Why are you cast down, O my soul,

and why are you in turmoil within me?

Hope in God; for I shall again praise him,

my salvation and my God.

My soul is cast down within me;

I say to God, my rock:

“Why have you forgotten me?

Why do I go mourning

because of the oppression of the enemy?”

Why are you cast down, O my soul,

and why are you in turmoil within me?

Hope in God; for I shall again praise him,

my salvation and my God.

2 points

You are still young, lots of time to find the truth. Heck I think I was flirting with satanism when I was 16. Have you ever sat down ad just read the new testament beginning to end?

Cartman(18192) Disputed
1 point

That is a great suggestion, but he already doesn't want to be a Christian, so it looks like he has. ;)

AngryGenX(463) Disputed
1 point

Have you read the gospel cartman?............................

arent you afraid to burn in hell for such blasphemy?

and what what makes you doubt the word of god?

will you be going to your church and asking for a refund?

ps...being an agnostic is pussy, you cant just safely straddle the fence like a faggot. make a decision you fucking coward.

2 points

"arent you afraid to burn in hell for such blasphemy?"

If hell is real and that is my fate than so be it.

"and what makes you doubt the word of god?"

My reasons are my reasons only.

"will you be going to your church and asking for a refund?"

I haven't associated myself with any particular church in years.

"ps...being an agnostic is pussy, you cant just safely straddle the fence like a faggot. make a decision you fucking coward."

If I am unsure which side is correct than I am obviously going to label myself agnostic. That doesn't make me a coward. In fact being agnostic is a lot more logical than being both theist and atheist.

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"God will understand. If he doesn't then he is not God, and we need not worry." ~ Somewhere on the Normannis forum. (One of the hospitallers I think?)

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I'm not sure why you feel guilty, I've been openly atheist on this site throughout my entire experience here and I have srom as an ally. Surely sharing the same religion wasn't the only reason that you two are allies!

Well its just that srom said to me that we cant lose faith in our religion. Now I feel bad because I lost faith :(

2 points

That's because God is telling you. You should comeback to Him.

Stickers(1037) Disputed
1 point

Bah, nobody chooses what they believe in, this sort of thing is simply not your fault.

Now its just a little hop on over to atheism. Congrats on breaking the shackles of religion .

Umm thanks I suppose and no I will never and I repeat never will I ever become an atheist!!

AveSatanas(4433) Disputed
2 points

I'm sure at one time you said you'd never stop being a Christian too.

1 point

Nice, now that you are on your own, so to speak, don't let anyone drag you into one of their ideologies. Do your own thing and come to your own conclusion... Actually, you don't even have to come to a conclusion.

The thing is I don't want to be an atheist. I've always hated that word. Even now becoming an agnostic I still hate that word. I have nothing against atheist's. I just....Its just whenever I hear that word it reminds me of those asshole atheists I debated on youtube.

4 points

Don't let some idiots on YouTube give all Atheists a bad name. I think I've always been pretty reasonable.

3 points

You don't want to be an atheist because you obviously don't agree with their viewpoint, as of now. That may eventually change. I'm with you, though. Most of them have an arrogance about them, and they are quick to insult those they disagree with. They've all "studied" religious texts real deeply too... Yeah, right. They studied them with the intention of disproving them... And if they were previously Christian, they likely became atheist because some other atheists pointed out flaws in the Bible, even though their original beliefs may be what was flawed and the atheistic interpretation of those beliefs may be flawed, as well.

What it comes down to, is nobody knows shit and everybody wants everyone to have the same opinion as them. Who is the better guesser? That is pointless. People often have an idea of God which makes them either believe or disbelieve in the entire concept of God. It's silly to even debate it. It's like arguing about where a tornado came from as you're staring at it. Who cares? Just get out of the way! The same could be said about life. We're alive... That should be enough to provoke us to unify and make this life to the best of our ability... But no! Instead we try and convince people that they need to believe in Jesus as the one true son of God, or else they will go to hell... Or in the case of Muslim extremists, they feel the need to kill in the name of God. None of that makes sense. A leader is supposed to serve the people. Really, it is the leader who is the servant and the people who are the leaders, so why would it be any different with God? Jesus addressed this, but it seems that most people ignore it: Matthew 23:11-12 But he who is greatest among you shall be your servant. And whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted.

1 point

Why would you change? Why?

Its kind of personal. I don't exactly want to talk about it

1 point

You make a debate about something you dont want to talk about?

What changed? .

1 point

It is better to be known by our actions, not our faith. Be a good person and you will be thought of as a good person. Do you still like the idea of God though?

2 points

Haha, I got downvoted for being supportive to a former Christian. I didn't even tell him he was right for leaving. This is why you lose people Christians.

I'm really happy you are questioning your religion, it means you put truth above your prior religion. Nothing should ever go above the truth in your perception of reality, not any belief religious or not.

1 point

From here on out the world will never look the same, you are on a journey of truth now and it's scary at first I know trust me but I promise in the end you will be okay.

I even to this day dislike the word Atheist and dislike labels in general, truth be told everyone is an Atheist and and agnostic at the same time.

To be an Atheist just means you do not believe in a theistic God, or Gods of man, as for everone one being agnostic well think about it no one on earth truly knows for sure if there is a creator, everyone is agnostic even if they don't believe it themselves.

Ask yourself how America has been doing since the Liberal anti God, anti morals movement has been growing in this nation. If you are honest with yourself, you would see the swollen welfare roles, the broken families, the children with no parents at home, the gangs, the 18 trillion in debt, etc. and would surmise we are heading in the WRONG direction. The Christian faith and the values derived from it is what built America & made it the greatest nation on Earth. There is no question about it. Hard work, pride in oneself, trying to live by the moral values instilled by the majority of Christian parents in this nation are what made us great.

This new age separation of Church and state lie have done nothing but promote the self love culture we see every day. Are you yet one more person who actually thinks man can have moral values without faith in God? I have a bridge to sell you. Men can't even agree on the most basic of moral values & with our anything goes media pushing the self love anti God movement, our nation is dead.

Don't let the world's lies deceive you please. You will see the truth in the end but I would hate that you ruined your life coming to that conclusion.

daver(1771) Disputed
1 point

1. You shall have no other gods before Me.

2. You shall not make idols.

3. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.

4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

5. Honor your father and your mother.

6. You shall not murder.

7. You shall not commit adultery.

8. You shall not steal.

9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

10. You shall not covet.

Most of these are present in all major religions.

Why is that?

IMHO the reason is that they are rules man created in order to live peacefully in groups. These rules have become collectively labeled Morals. Morals have been adopted by religions in order to bolster adherence.

While You are 100% correct that our nation was founded on Christian morals, you may be wrong in saying this:

"Are you yet one more person who actually thinks man can have moral values without faith in God?"

FromWithin(8242) Disputed
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When I said "man" I was doing so in the sense of MANKIND"! Of course a man can have personal morals without a faith in God. Mankind as a whole can not because no man thinks alike. Do you want Government forcing their moral ideals on you when you do not agree with their morals? One example being Government forcing a private Christian owned business to cater things that go against their faith. That is an example of a Government's sense of morals being forced on us all. Government should not be telling parents it is wrong to spank their children, etc. etc. Maybe you missed it, Government is the most corrupt bunch of hypocrites alive. Who wants them talking to us about moral values? Obviously Government can enforce laws such as with criminal activity. I'm speaking to moral values.

I repeat mankind can not agree on whose morals to draft into our nation's conscience, so when Liberal Democrats fixates on separating any mention of God or morals from our public lives, you have the amoral nation I speak of. You are watching as one by one our nation's core moral values are being silenced.

Remember 40 years ago when living together without marriage was considered immoral? Remember when teen pregnancy was considered shameful? Today many teens flaunt it as being cool. Remember when one night stands were considered immoral and it was considered reprehensible when the father deserted his child? Remember when divorce for no good reason was considered immoral? I could go on and on but if you have an honest bone in your body, you will admit that when our nation's Christian heritage is censored one bit at a time, our nation's culture gets worse & worse with more & more broken families. There is no longer that little voice in our head, speaking to our conscience. Nothing urging Americans to be a better responsible people who care for others more than their own personal irresponsible desires.

Whenever you wish to go over verses or talk about your relationship with God let me know. I will help.

1 point

You are just one step from ignoring the nonsense as a pro... :D