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Shameful Not shameful.
Debate Score:88
Arguments:90
Total Votes:92
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Asking for money

A lot of people are polarized on the topic of begging, and whether or not it is just or shameful.

Asking for money is a voluntary exchange, just like any other purchase of a good or service, neither of those exchanges being seen as immoral.

Yet, the moment someone asks for money, and there is no tangible exchange, it's shuned. Why?

The giver and the reciever are both consentual, both parties gain something;

though the giver does gain something a little more cerebral, sentimental, or otherwise intangible; never the less an exchange as valid as any.

So from where is the shame coming?

Shameful

Side Score: 49
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Not shameful.

Side Score: 39
3 points

There's NO excuse in the USA to be begging for money IMO. There are jobs to be had even if not the most prestigious, and also social programs. I get SO sick of hearing about this crap with all the entitlements available. If people are living on the streets, it is due to their mental illnesses which cause them to choose that way of life. And if children are going to bed hungry in America it's because mommy or daddy is using their welfare money to buy drugs or other things rather than taking personal responsibility for their lives & those of their children.

Side: Shameful
2 points

Yes! That's why I only give homeless people food if I have some extra that I don't want.

They spend all day begging, when they could spend it looking for a job!

Side: Shameful
2 points

Exactly!! I had some crappy jobs but I never had to ask anyone for a handout... Well, maybe 'cept for Hubby but that doesn't count, LOL

Side: Shameful
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

You try and find a job with no place of residence, phone number, email address, education, or transportation in clothes you've worn for months straight.

Side: Not shameful.
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
-1 points

There's NO excuse in the USA to be begging for money IMO.

Yes, in your opinion. So you never think it's okay to get mail in rebates or tax breaks either? The principal is the same.

There are jobs to be had even if not the most prestigious,

Of which jobs the majority providing just enough income to make it possible to work to live to work to live....

and also social programs

Same principal as asking for money, really.

I get SO sick of hearing about this crap with all the entitlements available.

See a pattern here?

If people are living on the streets, it is due to their mental illnesses which cause them to choose that way of life.

First off, you classify all homeless people as mentally ill, which is a great way to make sure you put them beneath you! And didn't you just say that "There's NO excuse in the USA to be begging for money"? And now you're saying that they can't help it because they're mentally ill? So it's not their fault, but it is at the same time...............

And if children are going to bed hungry in America it's because mommy or daddy is using their welfare money to buy drugs

You've never been poor, have you? The last thing on your mind is drugs; its feeding your kids, and not being harassed. Sure, there are drug users whom become homeless because of their addiction, but they do not represent the homeless; no one does.

rather than taking personal responsibility for their lives & those of their children.

You're going to tell me that all it takes to get a job is a little bit of elbow grease and the endearing american spirit, aren't you? Oh so the homeless can just WISH up an education, clean clothes, a phone, place of residence, and a mode of transportation from their patriotic assholes? I'll be sure to keep that in mind the next time I intend to ever give a fuck about someone down and out.

Side: Not shameful.
RavenLily(733) Disputed
3 points

OMG, there are SO many flaws in your response I barely know where to begin... The most amusing thing you wrote is trying to compare receiving a rebate or tax break to begging, WTF?! LMAO!! Those monies received, unlike begging, are a value back for something you paid towards. And yes, even if you must work a job that only provides you enough money to work to live, that is still more productive than sitting on your @$$ for the same outcome living on welfare or begging. Social programs were originally meant to be a temporary help, not a generational way of life.

As for your very misguided conclusion that I've never been poor, you couldn't be MORE wrong, oh naive one. I'm not going to go into my personal life history but I can assure you I know MUCH better than you what it is to be truly poor and raised by irresponsible parents & suffering for their lack of meeting our needs. And I can also assure you that it is because of that very thing that I was motivated to not live like that when I could become more in control of my circumstances. And I did do that and it was through hard work, not hand outs that I now have everything and more that I could ever dream of attaining. So please spare your know-nothing lectures for someone who didn't live the nightmare I did and pull themselves out of it on their own.

Side: Shameful

Shame on you because you are so lazy that you can't make your own money.

Side: Shameful
Malachi(77) Disputed
1 point

This is the perfect example of ignorance in today's society. What if it was a waitress who was raped, and had to drop out of high school to take care of her baby because she lived in an abusive family? Is she lazy because she's trying to preserve the life of an extremely dependent being? And even though that was an extreme example, there are many cases where people are forced to beg for money because the job they have now barely gets them by. To judge someone only because they make less money than others is why so many people who need assistance are denied it. Not all people who live in poverty use drugs, by alcohol, or participate in other negative activities.

Side: Not shameful.
Intangible(4934) Disputed
1 point

No one said she had to do all that. That was her choice after the rape .

Side: Shameful
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

If money is given to me it is mine. Therefore I would make my own money.

Side: Not shameful.
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

You did no work for it. Therefore you did not make any money .

Side: Shameful
1 point

It does not value the giver. I have never meant who pays bills because people ask him for money (with no possibility of returning it).

Side: Shameful
Akulakhan(2985) Disputed
1 point

And that makes it shameful how? And how many people do you know whom would be in that situation in the first place?

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

Amanda Palmer puts it best:

TEDtalks Amanda Palmer
Side: Not shameful.

Depends on the person who's asking.

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

Giving is a good thing. From a religious point of view, we are often told that giving is the pure love of Christ, as is serving. There is nothing shameful about asking for money, so long as you are actively looking for ways to get yourself out of the situation that you are in that is having you ask for money.

Side: Not shameful.

Beggars give us the opportunity to help improve our cherishing of other's and decrease cherishing of ourselves and our sense of self importance.

Side: Not shameful.
GuitarGuy(6096) Disputed
1 point

So... you're basically saying that homeless people are a good thing because they make us less selfish?

Side: Shameful
1 point

It does not have to be considered a shameful behavior since beggars are threatening their faces enough. They know that asking for money makes many people frown, but they have no choice but to do it in order to survive. Opening a purse or not totally depends on our mind, so asking for money itself does not have to be regarded shameful.

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

I see nothing wrong with it, if you want something, just ask. That shouldn't be considered shameful.

If anything, there's more shame in wanting and asking then wanting and not asking at all.

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

Some of greatest people was born in poor people . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

Hey Ak????han! When are ya going to change that profile picture? You were funnier as the pussy.

Side: Not shameful.

Not necessarily, it depends on the situation. Shame like many things is also in the eye of the beholder as well.

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

It depends on the person. My mom had three kids to raise, held down a full-time job...yes she was on welfare a few times, but never stayed on it. My stepfather has always hated me and wanted me out as soon as i came back from basic training. Long story short i'm 21 my own place that i got before i met my husband, and yes i've needed foodstamps. I've never been lazy, never will be. It's real easy to talk when you haven't had to worry about your next meal. I've worked since i was 14, so to those of you that lack empathy shut your frickin mouth.

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

Well for whats it worth you have my respect you have absolutely nothing to explain to anyone , and I find it somewhat cowardly for people to brand this shameful....

Side: Not shameful.
1 point

In the modern western world there is no reason for people to be homeless jobless and forced to beg for money but society has let these people down, they shouldn't feel shame they are the forgotten, the ignored. The people who should feel shame are the ones that do nothing to help (be it giving money, food, assistance or whatever) your the problem in this society.

Walk a mile in someone's shoes, live a week in their life before condemning or judging.

Side: Not shameful.

Some people cannot help but ask for money. If I were homeless, maybe I would have to ask for money.

Side: Not shameful.
0 points

It's only slightly more shameful then begging for food, meaning it's still not very shameful.

Side: Not shameful.
Intangible(4934) Disputed
2 points

It's only slightly more shameful then begging for food, meaning it's still not very shameful.

So it's STILL shameful.

Side: Shameful
HarryPits(301) Clarified
1 point

Not necessarily, no.

Side: Shameful