Atheism VS God
Atheism and Evilution is too dumb for me to put a lot of effort into debunking, so I've chosen this video which makes fools of atheists and evilootionists pretty much the same way I do it when I am discussing their beliefs. God created us to know Him, and we can know Him through Jesus Christ who died for us, paid our price, so we can be forgiven and have eternal life, being justified through faith in His blood, and be with Him in His resurrection. You can't win against God, and in this video several individuals who are "educated" or worldly, much like many of the fools here who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell, are shown in the stupid simplicity of their silly beliefs which make no sense. I know this may sound insulting to atheists, but the Bible plainly calls them fools in Psalm 14 because they are fools, and if I say less than the truth about them I would be apathetic and uncaring. So here we go........don't be surprised if I don't reply to your posts if you do not show you have watched the video. Anybody cussing, spelling God's name with a lower case "g", using "Hell" as a cuss word......and any dirty stinking pervert talk will result in immediate banning the moment I see it.
I have seen the video, I saw it when it came out, and I have seen it a couple times since. I have, in detail, given detailed responses to many layers of the video. And then I decided to be a little sassy, I'm sorry if you were offended, but it's interesting to me that the post of mine that you choose to respond to is not one that addresses the video.
Ray Comfort's 'thesis' from the movie, as evidenced by the first quote of this movie, is that evolution requires faith. And yet... that's just false. We have mountains of evidence, and Ray comfort hasn't studied it.
His videos involve him interviewing people on the street, meaning he can edit out any people or context that he wants.
He argues that because something happened millions of years ago, we can't see it, and therefor a) it can't be true and b) his explanation must be correct.
He talks a lot about kinds. If you look up Ring Species, you will find that his entire argument falls apart.
Ray Comfort is a good speaker. He's charismatic, and he knows how to control the conversation with passerby on the street. But that doesn't make any of his points correct, logical, or intelligent.
Which of his points are incorrect, illogical, or unintelligent? can you actually quote things from the video instead of fabricating lying accusations? If this is all you are going to do here, you are going to get banned. I'm trying to be patient with you and I expect you to wear that patience out quickly...but I really hope you will surprise me and discuss the video factually by quoting from it. If you are only going to make accusations without reference and accurate quotes, I'm going to reluctantly ban you.
The people in the video are forced to admit that their beliefs are matters of faith, and blind faith at that. To assume that Mr. Comfort has not studied evolutionary and atheistic teachings is just plain ignorant. That stuff has been force fed to pretty much everybody in America from pre-school at age 4 all the way into adulthood and is continually promoted and pushed on television, in music, and all sorts of media including the internet.
You are trying to distract and not discuss the facts of the movie. The professors in the movie, who are much more educated than you, and apparently much more honest, admit openly that their belief in evolution and atheism is faith in things they have never seen.
The subject of discussion here is faith. If you believe reptiles turned into birds, it's based on faith in things that you believe happened millions or billions of years ago but you can't observe it because you were not there so you are believing based on your faith.
Comfort is not interviewing "passersby on the street" in this movie. He is interviewing college professors, two of them in their own offices. If you continue to lie and misrepresent things, I'm going to do you just like Crock and some other disrupters who hate to admit that they believe things without evidence.
As for me, I believe Jesus Christ is divine and the Bible is His holy word based on evidence, facts, indisputable. Historical facts, eyewitness accounts, written testimonials and countless miracles and answered prayers in my own life, in the lives of many people I know personally, and thousands if not millions throughout history.
These facts were investigated by an atheistic trial lawyer by the name of Sir Lionell Luckhoo; the title "Sir" given after he was twice knighted by the Queen of England. He is listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as "The worlds most successful trial lawyer". He is quoted as saying "I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer, appearing in many parts of the world...I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt." He researched and studied the evidence much more than me before I believed it, he was harder to convince than me but he is a believer like me now.
I simply realized I was a sinner who deserved to die and be separated from God in Hell forever and I believed on Jesus in His resurrection because nothing else in the world makes any sense other than God loves us so much that He died in our place and paid our price so He can wipe our record clean by His own blood and we can be forgiven in His resurrection. I know my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven. If you don't know what I don't know, then you don't know and you need to know before you wake up in Hell and it's too late.
".I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt"
This was stated by a person who either lacked the resources to research the historical records of the time or just didn't. The truth is that there is NO historical record of Jesus. All writings about Jesus were written better than a generation after his (supposed) life was over. There were 42 historians that wrote of that time when Jesus was suppose to have lived and none mentioned this figure in history. The son of (The Creator) should not have gone unnoticed by the Jewish and Roman historians of the time especially given the Biblical accounts of his popularity and fame. There are no artifacts nor writings outside of religious cannons written to have a religious following. There were many religious writings that we know are mythical not factual. The Jesus story is no different.
first of all, i want your understanding of evolution. i want you to display all you know of evolution, and pretend you believe it. that way you won't be dismissed as another ignorant blatherer.
i do think it's unfair that creationists are almost immediately labelled as blind faith driven idiots, when that actually corresponds to most of humanity, if not all, on at least some topic or another.
their beliefs are matters of faith, and blind faith at that.
yes, the people in the video are acting on faith, but this is due to their ignorance, and not that of evolution. for some of them it would be difficult to label them rational. however even a large number of christians agree with evolution, as it's logic and premises are agreeable and traceable. however i can't blame them for mindlessly agreeing to evolution, as it produces results. products of the scientific method have uncovered principles and some (close enough) rules which govern our universe, and this knowledge has manifested itself through technology. something faith in other beliefs has not been able to provide. it's a little ignorant when people try and attack science and it's methodical process when they unwittingly sit on it's results.
That stuff has been force fed to pretty much everybody in America from pre-school at age 4
perhaps it is also hypocritical that children are indoctrinated by evolution at school (but this is by no means a let off for christians. i know of museums which give baseless conclusions that humans and dinosaurs lived together, that the earth is something like 6000 years old (mostly all drawn from the bible) i was also force fed christian religious crap as a child, i even grew up singing in a cathedral choir while i was under 10 for about 24 hours a week alongside school.), but schools teach what is commonly accepted as truth. children would be even further behind if their learning were disrupted by people quarreling over personal truths. you wouldn't approve if your sunday school were disrupted by a group of muslims that disagreed with what the children were being taught. at school, in science classes, kids learn science-based facts.
as for the interviewer, while much of the fault lies with the terrible representatives he interviews, he also dismisses everything regardless of whether or not it's proof, although i don't believe he was trying to remove them as facts, but identify that 'believers' of science do not fully recognise the significance and relevance of the explanations and information they are given, and hence, act on faith, which i could agree that for some, perhaps even many, is true. however fossil records are factual and link species, but you can't use their age to debase their significance.
as for a good and very much observable example of evolution, we could turn to bacteria, (some reproduce in as short a time as 20 minutes.) these buggers evolve so fast that we have trouble developing medicine to counter the different species which are produced over just years). in hospitals, there is also a threat of bacteria which have evolved to be immune to antibiotics through copying errors paired with natural selection.
If you believe reptiles turned into birds, it's based on faith in things that you believe happened millions or billions of years ago but you can't observe it because you were not there so you are believing based on your faith. as mentioned, there are fossils which can be viewed in museums, or you could simply google it and get streams of information supporting evolution. we give fossils the timestamps they have because of various dating methods which agree with each other. we say reptiles evolved into birds because we know evolution as fact from species around and near our time (although in most cases , naturally outside out lifespan) and we assume that life tens of millions of years ago transitioned under the same general process. we then attempt to confirm this when discover different fossils which show a general transition from some form to another, or here, from some reptiles into birds.
Atheism and Evilution is too dumb for me to put a lot of effort into debunking
Correction: you are too dumb to understand Atheism and Evilution to put a lot of effort into debunking
, so I've chosen this video which makes fools of atheists and evilootionists pretty much the same way I do it when I am discussing their beliefs.
You have never once discussed beliefs of Atheists and evolution. I assume the video attacks the same strawman arguments you attack.
I know this may sound insulting to atheists
We don't find it insulting because you are an idiot.
So here we go........don't be surprised if I don't reply to your posts if you do not show you have watched the video.
You have never actually responded to anyone's post.
God punishes man because men with no morals and that want nothing to do with them try to explain him away by trying to contradict if men like this exist they are a threat to anyone who has them it must be OK to steal,kill and destroy because atheist say there is no God meaning no morals atheist are the reason behind death and destruction in the earth today God destroyed the earth because such men began to fill it if you took clay and made little men out of it and those men said you don't exist and that they came from food colouring to excuse their bad morals. men like this seek only the good of themselves and their own will telling others that there is no god so sin ran rampant in the earth man was given simple free will, the will to do good and evil God told him not to do evil but due to his sinful passions and lust and God saw 8 who wanted to b good because they cared for each other and were not selfish and saw the good for nothings and saved the 8 worthy ones God gave you a choice to do good with a warning of what followed doing the contrary say he doesn’t exists just to be evil and in hell atheist will lift there eyes and say "WE SCREWED UP!!!! That is my take on it Thank-you.
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Couroc got banned because he does not want to discuss the topic and only wants to discourage people from watching the video. Don't be afraid, watch the video...what harm can an intellectual discussion of beliefs be when it is filmed? Atheists hate this kind of stuff because they prefer to avoid discussing their beliefs.
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Cooroc was running his mouth. He was showing his ignorance and doing nothing but trying to disrupt. Notice how he insulted Comfort and lied about what the video portrays. Crock said the video only interviews average man on the streets, when in fact the video focuses on highly respected and accomplished Ph.D professors first, and most of the rest is interviewing their students. Crock or Coorac or whatever his name is has trouble discussing things civilly. He is well known, as several others, for being dirty minded and foul mouthed and I do not want him here playing the role of CLOWN MONKEY, and please tell him I called him that.
You are going to get banned here if you defend Crock any further.
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Why don't you watch the video and find out? They are atheistic professors of biology and anthropology. I think they have enough qualifications to discuss atheism.
If that is the only argument you have to support your beliefs, saying you have to have a Ph.D. in atheism to discuss it, then atheism is too intellectual for you, isn't it? You better go get a Ph.D. in atheism so that your beliefs can't be exposed as foolish, right?
You posted the video of Nye/Ham...does Nye have a Ph.D in atheism, and if not, is that his excuse for acting so childish and using insult as his main point in arguing?
Yes, they are all pretty much the same. Bill Nye is no different in beliefs or education than the three college professors in the video which is the subject of this debate. The Nye/Ham debate was ok....too long for me. Nye looked like the typical "intellectual" atheist, childishly ignoring facts and clinging to evolutionary beliefs while insulting those who do not accept his beliefs.
Bill Nye is a celebrity. His popularity does not make him more educated than the college professors in the video which is the subject of this forum.
Watch the video. the one with evolutionVSgod is the correct link. I'm not good and posting links and videos.
I want to keep the discussion focused on the video. I'll be happy to discuss the Biblical world view with you in private messages if you like....send me a message for that, but here, please watch the video and offer comments related to it. Thank you.
After Watching the video I wondered why people would be so confused about the facts involved in the theory of evolution. Even though it is a complex theory the basics are simple.
evolutionary facts- a) We know that the earth's crust is layered the newest part is what we live on today
b) From examining the earth's crust we see that over time layers contain a historical record as we go through the layers. (this is why we find ancient civilizations, fossils, oil, ect.)
c) We can estimate the age of many of the layers using radioactive decay since it has a reasonably stable rate of breakdown. (this is true science since it is observable and repeatable)
What is scientifically provable and observable is that life forms in the older layers of the earth's crust are simple and become more complex as the earth aged. This is always the case no exception.
d) This means that We don't have to see the "Kind" that came before what exists now to know FACTUALLY that something existed that yielded that "Kind".
e) By knowing that currently life forms are changing over the course of many generations which we can observe with bacteria for example in our life span.
All of this provable and repeatable evidence together equals the theory of evolution. Now let's compare that to creationism where NOTHING is provable or repeatable. NOT SCIENCE
The atheistic professors who are interviewed in the video, being accomplished scientists with PhD's in anthropology and biology, schooled in evilootion, surely could write volumes far above your experience in learning. That is not the question of the video, it simply points out that belief in evilootion if faith.
Those people tried to sidetrack with the kind of rabbit trails you listed here, but they were brought back to the question at hand repeatedly until they answered it directly instead of throwing up smokescreens like you are doing in order to avoid answering the questions of belief.
This is the last time I am going to try to get you to talk about the video, what they are actually saying in the video. You are ignoring the video and only displaying your beliefs in evilootion. You are doing all you can to ignore the questions in the video which would force yo to admit that believing in evilootion is believing in things you have never seen and never can see.
The people that I saw in the movie were students, not people with PhD's, where did you get that info from?? Now the truth is that he probably interviewed others but they had good answers to his rhetoric and they were excluded from his very one sided view.
I find it interesting that when I discuss logical facts about the basis of the video you get all defensive (a sign that you are not confident with your info). The video is nothing more than Ray brow beating young people with half truths and not giving them ample time to prepare an intelligent response. This is your idea of a debate??? You would be better served to watch him and Bill Nye debate the subject. That is a debate not an attack as the video dispays.
If you can't make a lizard turn into a bird, you can only believe it happened even though you never can see it happen. Your "theory" of evilootion is only a belief. You believe it because you want to believe that God cannot rule against you and you escape all punishment in death. You want to believe you can't be condemned to Hell, maybe you actually do believe that but there is still something inside you that tells you that you are wrong and that is why you fight so hard trying to make yourself believe in things that you cannot show to be true. Show me a lizard, today, and make it change into a bird and then you have evidence of evillootion...you will never have evidence of evillottion because it never happened and never will.
Who claimed a lizard turned into a bird?? You should study evolution to get an understanding of what it actually is. lizards don't turn into birds. They may have common ancestors but that is it. I believe in evolution because it is factual, provable with repeatable results. All of the things that religion is not. Religion is relying on the word of some "Bronze age" men about all that is in the world. Many aspects are factually incorrect and contradictory. Nothing is provable or repeatable. That is why it is called faith. As for your theological claim of avoidance, that makes no sense because how can not believing in something excuse you from punishment. If I don't believe in cops can I just break the law with no consequence??? that is what you are stating. It borders on crazy just so you are aware.
Bob, this long exercise in futility is so simply answered that it's a joke. At the end of your discourse, you say "provable and repeatable evidence together equals a theory". The problem with that statement is that there is no provable and repeatable evidence of one kind of animal turning into another kind. The "theory" of evolution is a belief in things happening which were never observed happening, and cannot be shown happening, and cannot be repeated because they were never seen in the first place. It's called "OBSERVATION". The "theory" of evolution cannot be observed, so in reality it is nothing more than a hypothesis, a guess which the guesser goes out trying to prove his guess to be right.
You say "Factually" that something existed which yielded a "Kind", but you have never seen this happen, you can only believe it happened. That is not SCIENCE. SCIENCE IS OBSERVATION. Appied Science is using the knowledge of what is observed to manipulate objects in nature which are observable.
Look at the sky, Bib. The heavens declare the glory of God, Bob. The firmament shows His handiwork. The invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen....you don't have an excuse for rejecting God's offer of forgiveness, reconciliation, pardon, atonement for your soul through His own blood as the Son of God, Bob. You are only fooling yourself. He is risen from the dead and will judge the living and the dead. If you wont' receive Him as your Savior, you will be forced to appear before Him as your Judge, and you will be cast away into the Lake of Fire to fry like an eternal sausage. He paid the price in dying for you, Bob. If you think it's nothing what He did for you, then He will think it's nothing to leave you burning in Hell, dying, forever.
So what observation do you reject my friend, is it the observation that sedimentary rock exists (factually it does) or that fossils of life forms that lived in the past are found in these layers of sedimentary rock (these are factually observable) That is why it is a science and not a guess because we do observe these things.
When I look in the sky I see million of other solar systems just like ours and know that it would be arrogant to think that with millions of other solar systems that we are the only planet with life on it.
Science is observing God's creation. Science is observation via our physical senses...Evolution is not science, it's a hypothesis which can never be observed. Observing fossils and/or strata in the ground is only observing fossils and/or strata, and it is science. When you start believing the lizards turned into birds, then you are believing something which is not science. You can't show it happening, you just have to believe it happened. I don't believe it, never did even though I tried to as it was crammed down my throat pretty much as far back as I can remember, in schools, in magazines, and on TV. It always seemed cold and empty to believe in it, so I never stopped believing it is possible to know God. God makes it possible for us to know Him personally. God loves you, Bob, even if you try to make Him go away by saying He is not there.
Evolution is not a hypothesis.
It is a Theory. Which BEGAN as a hypotheis. But then passed test after test and observation after observation until it was promoted to being a full-blown Theory. As in the Theory of Relativity.
Also know, as I have explained before, ad nauseum, that the word "theory" when used in science is VERY different from when you use it in everyday conversation. Where it means little. As in "I have a theory why Obama is a socialist."
Because when we use the word like that, what we really mean is "I have an idea" or an "opinion."
NOT the same thing as in science.
God loves nobody since he does not exist.
Lizards did not turn into birds. We have thousands of transitionalk fossils which will explain this to you. Do I really need to list them again?
Your credibility--which is pure shite as of now--would be much much improved if you understood even a little of what you zealously deny.
This is the correct link. Watch the video please. If you will not watch it and will only sit there like a little brat and try to disrupt, you will be banned.
This video gives the format of discussion here. Several highly intelligent and generally friendly atheists are interviewed and questioned about there belief in evilootion. They look like fools, and it's very easy to make them look like fools......all of them from the most highly educated to the most moronic...they look like fools if you can get them to answer honestly about their beliefs.
THIS IS THE CORRECT LINK
WATCH THE MOVIE IF YOU CAN STOMACH ATHEISTS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EDUCATED AND GOOD PEOPLE BEING MADE FOOLS OF BY THEIR INABILITY TO OFFER LOGICAL ANSWERS FOR THEIR BELIEFS REGARDING EVOLTUION AND GOD.
VERY ENTERTAINING, but atheists may find it frustrating because their beliefs are simplified and exposed as ridiculous, while the atheists get frustrated wanting to add more and more things to believe in order to support their basic belief of having the right to exist free from Hell.
Ray Comfort videos are the worst. He challenges people off the street. Why can't he go against the intellectuals leading the Atheist movement? Because he knows he is wrong.
First, he doesn't know what the word "kind" means. He literally has never defined it. He then goes on to get people to discuss a word that has no meaning. The word "kind" that Darwin used is now the word species. And, we actually have observed a species of lizards evolve into 2 different species of lizards. So, he is actually wrong about needing faith.
beliefs are simplified
Everyone hates when their beliefs are simplified because it is usually not their actual belief. For instance, to simplify your belief, you believe in an all powerful sky wizard.
All the atheists are the same. In the video, a college professor is interviewed and I don't think she would appreciate being compared to an uneducated street person. They are all the same, believing things they want to believe which in reality are childishly simple but fools spend a lifetime in education trying to show their foolish beliefs prove they are intelligent...or vice versa, they are trying to prove that their intelligence makes their beliefs into reality. When they are questioned directly about their beliefs and pinned down to give specific and direct answers to simple questions, they look and sound like fools and that is why atheists hate this kind of discussion and exposure of the insanity of their beliefs.
Sure, they are the worst because of their simplicity. The beliefs of atheists are simplified and shown to be foolish...childishly simple and foolish. It is very frustrating to atheists, who basically can only reply by saying "Billions and quadrillions of years and kazillions of universes and planets make evilootion true." Watch the video or get banned. Last warning.
For what ever reason I could not get to the video but I love a good religious debate. Evolution is pretty easy to prove and as for atheism that is the default position. All individuals are born atheist. Religion is a learned trait that is why you are the same religious belief as your peer group. Many atheists like myself started out with a religious up bringing. Researching the subject we discovered that the material we were taught about religion was false and convoluted. Once you realize that you were taught a lie it is a short trip to total lack of faith, hence atheism. There is nothing at all dumb about that. If you are a Christian it is only because you have never really studied the Bible and the truth it contains. If you care to have a serious debate about the truth in the Bible I would enjoy the challenge.
Some of the links are working, some are not...when I posted them, I thought they worked....I'll try again for you......most of the people here are talking like they wathed it when it's obvious by the things they are saying that they did not watch it. Most of the people here are being childish and rude. I'm trying to keep the discussion focused on the video......http://www.evolutionvsgod.
I appreciate your good manners in expressing yourself here. Eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ after He rose from the dead gave their lives to tell the good news, they put it in writing, and people gave their lives to protect those writings. It's too bad you have been persuaded to believe they were liars. Death has been conquered and I am fully persuaded beyond any doubt that my sins have been paid for by God Himself, by His own blood, in Jesus Christ and I am forgiven and will be with Him forever as He is, resurrected, for ever and ever. If you really believe you don't need to be forgiven, and you really believe Jesus did not die in your place, then you will die in your own place and never escape your dying and you will wake up in Hell. I'm not trying to be harsh or unkind, I'm only telling you the truth in hope that you will see you cannot justify your life or your living in any moment of your time. God will be your justifier if you will believe in your heart that He raised Jesus from the dead so you can be forgiven of your sins which He died for.
This is the gospel message. Your challenge is against God and I can't help you with it if you won't believe the good news of God, the gospel of Jesus Christ. Please don't hold it against me that I agree with the Bible in Psalm 14 regarding your beliefs.