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Atheism VS God
Atheism and Evilution is too dumb for me to put a lot of effort into debunking, so I've chosen this video which makes fools of atheists and evilootionists pretty much the same way I do it when I am discussing their beliefs. God created us to know Him, and we can know Him through Jesus Christ who died for us, paid our price, so we can be forgiven and have eternal life, being justified through faith in His blood, and be with Him in His resurrection. You can't win against God, and in this video several individuals who are "educated" or worldly, much like many of the fools here who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell, are shown in the stupid simplicity of their silly beliefs which make no sense. I know this may sound insulting to atheists, but the Bible plainly calls them fools in Psalm 14 because they are fools, and if I say less than the truth about them I would be apathetic and uncaring. So here we go........don't be surprised if I don't reply to your posts if you do not show you have watched the video. Anybody cussing, spelling God's name with a lower case "g", using "Hell" as a cuss word......and any dirty stinking pervert talk will result in immediate banning the moment I see it.
The Nye/Ham video is very long. The video which is the subject of this discussion is brief, fast moving, engaging and entertaining. I guess I'll ban that guy for posting too long of a video and distracting people with it. Here is the link.....http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/
Since you are new here, and I hope you will watch this video, I'm giving you a break and not immediately banning you for cussing. Please do not abuse the language in this forum. I repeat, cussing is ground for immediate banning from this discussion.
I was referring to YOUR video, which I actually in fact HAVE watched. I'm not new here, I've just been inactive for a long time. Alright, the video you showed doesn't present any scientific evidence its just "Oh, well you're complicated, so you couldn't of been an accident" which is not really being fair. Its not arguing using science, its just your religious belief (Which you have a right to) not scientific.
Watch again. The whole point is that to believe in evilootion requires blind faith. The professors and college students admitted to their "faith" in evilootion when they were confronted with direct questions.
Your comments sounded like you did not watch the video, and I still don't believe you watched it because you have not admitted that your comments were either blatant lies or they were proof that if you watched the video your brain was absent while your eyes were looking.
The whole point of the video was forcing believers, highly educated and esteemed, believers in evilootion are pinned down to separate scientific observation from believing in evilootion. Evilootion is not science, it's belief.
Well, clearly I think you are full of shit, and clearly you think I'm full of shit, so this debate no longer holds any purpose, sense we're not going to change each others minds. Draw?
I have seen the video, I saw it when it came out, and I have seen it a couple times since. I have, in detail, given detailed responses to many layers of the video. And then I decided to be a little sassy, I'm sorry if you were offended, but it's interesting to me that the post of mine that you choose to respond to is not one that addresses the video.
This guy got banned for using the word "Geesh", which is slang for Jesus, taking the Lord's name in vain. If he would have watched the video and offered constructive comments showing he watched it, I would have tolerated his stupid screenname.
Ray Comfort's 'thesis' from the movie, as evidenced by the first quote of this movie, is that evolution requires faith. And yet... that's just false. We have mountains of evidence, and Ray comfort hasn't studied it.
His videos involve him interviewing people on the street, meaning he can edit out any people or context that he wants.
He argues that because something happened millions of years ago, we can't see it, and therefor a) it can't be true and b) his explanation must be correct.
He talks a lot about kinds. If you look up Ring Species, you will find that his entire argument falls apart.
Ray Comfort is a good speaker. He's charismatic, and he knows how to control the conversation with passerby on the street. But that doesn't make any of his points correct, logical, or intelligent.
Which of his points are incorrect, illogical, or unintelligent? can you actually quote things from the video instead of fabricating lying accusations? If this is all you are going to do here, you are going to get banned. I'm trying to be patient with you and I expect you to wear that patience out quickly...but I really hope you will surprise me and discuss the video factually by quoting from it. If you are only going to make accusations without reference and accurate quotes, I'm going to reluctantly ban you.
The people in the video are forced to admit that their beliefs are matters of faith, and blind faith at that. To assume that Mr. Comfort has not studied evolutionary and atheistic teachings is just plain ignorant. That stuff has been force fed to pretty much everybody in America from pre-school at age 4 all the way into adulthood and is continually promoted and pushed on television, in music, and all sorts of media including the internet.
You are trying to distract and not discuss the facts of the movie. The professors in the movie, who are much more educated than you, and apparently much more honest, admit openly that their belief in evolution and atheism is faith in things they have never seen.
The subject of discussion here is faith. If you believe reptiles turned into birds, it's based on faith in things that you believe happened millions or billions of years ago but you can't observe it because you were not there so you are believing based on your faith.
Comfort is not interviewing "passersby on the street" in this movie. He is interviewing college professors, two of them in their own offices. If you continue to lie and misrepresent things, I'm going to do you just like Crock and some other disrupters who hate to admit that they believe things without evidence.
As for me, I believe Jesus Christ is divine and the Bible is His holy word based on evidence, facts, indisputable. Historical facts, eyewitness accounts, written testimonials and countless miracles and answered prayers in my own life, in the lives of many people I know personally, and thousands if not millions throughout history.
These facts were investigated by an atheistic trial lawyer by the name of Sir Lionell Luckhoo; the title "Sir" given after he was twice knighted by the Queen of England. He is listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as "The worlds most successful trial lawyer". He is quoted as saying "I have spent more than 42 years as a defense trial lawyer, appearing in many parts of the world...I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt." He researched and studied the evidence much more than me before I believed it, he was harder to convince than me but he is a believer like me now.
I simply realized I was a sinner who deserved to die and be separated from God in Hell forever and I believed on Jesus in His resurrection because nothing else in the world makes any sense other than God loves us so much that He died in our place and paid our price so He can wipe our record clean by His own blood and we can be forgiven in His resurrection. I know my sins are forgiven and I'm going to heaven. If you don't know what I don't know, then you don't know and you need to know before you wake up in Hell and it's too late.
".I say unequivocally the evidence for the resurrection of Jesus Christ is so overwhelming that it compels acceptance by proof which leaves absolutely no doubt"
This was stated by a person who either lacked the resources to research the historical records of the time or just didn't. The truth is that there is NO historical record of Jesus. All writings about Jesus were written better than a generation after his (supposed) life was over. There were 42 historians that wrote of that time when Jesus was suppose to have lived and none mentioned this figure in history. The son of (The Creator) should not have gone unnoticed by the Jewish and Roman historians of the time especially given the Biblical accounts of his popularity and fame. There are no artifacts nor writings outside of religious cannons written to have a religious following. There were many religious writings that we know are mythical not factual. The Jesus story is no different.
This stuff Bob is promoting is lies. They can be proven lies easily by anybody who looks for refutations of documented history. I simply don't get into these arguments any more because people like Bob will not listen to anything that contradicts their beliefs. I could show the ancient historians and their notes which clearly refer to Jesus Christ of the Bible and events told of in the Bible, but Bob would reject those things automatically with reasons that are not realistic.
Secular historians recorded little of Jesus Christ because, generally, they were not followers of Christ and worked for the religious or political rulers of the day. The Jews did not want to give honor in record to Christ because they rejected Him, they murdered Him on baseless charges. The Romans recorded little (but unmistakable) in their records because they had caved to the Jews to allow the murder of an innocent man.
Jesus chose His disciples, they recorded the events, they gave their lives and all they had to serve Him and tell of the things they had seen and heard, they gave their life's blood to protect the written record as they were inspired of God to do.
I simply tire of fools arguing and pretending like they are better, smarter, stronger than God.
I unbanned you so you can respond to some of my new comments if you want. I was going to unban Slapslop, but changed my mind due to his abusive language. At least you have enough decency to refrain from using expletives as you promote ungodliness.
Obviously you have learned to have a lazy brain to believe people who are lying to you. Do the research yourself. It's easy to find on the web. If you chose one sided disinformers such as the ones you are parroting, then you will talk like a parrot. If you examine the evidence which people are making you believe does not exist, then you will see for yourself.
The person who you quote is listed in the Guiness Book of World Records as the world's most successful trial lawyer. He investigated the facts of Jesus Christ as an unbeliever. He became a believer. You are buying into lies and you are paying with your life. The price you are paying is much too high...you'll never pay if off if you want to keep on trying.
You are showing yourself to be a sucker for the modernistic "myther" movement, people twisting and distorting history. Even the recent college textbooks on History and Western Civ did not go that far as to say Jesus Christ was a myth. The college class teachings I saw less than one year ago NEVER implied Jesus Christ was not Jesus Christ around whose lifetime our calendar is based, and those college textbooks firmly supported that He was the same Jesus that the Bible is written about. Of course those secular books implied that He was only a sinner like you and me, and the Christian Church is the Catholic Church established by Constantine around 300...........
Back to the video, please. If you want to be ignorant and belief big mouth liars as easily as you seem to be doing, then go ahead. I guess I'm a bit guilty of going sidetrack here also...watch the video and comment on the video please, and try to frame your comments in a way that shows you actually watched the video.
I'll ban you if you don't watch and comment on the video. I didn'' make this debate to entertain fools who are "myther"s
first of all, i want your understanding of evolution. i want you to display all you know of evolution, and pretend you believe it. that way you won't be dismissed as another ignorant blatherer.
i do think it's unfair that creationists are almost immediately labelled as blind faith driven idiots, when that actually corresponds to most of humanity, if not all, on at least some topic or another.
their beliefs are matters of faith, and blind faith at that.
yes, the people in the video are acting on faith, but this is due to their ignorance, and not that of evolution. for some of them it would be difficult to label them rational. however even a large number of christians agree with evolution, as it's logic and premises are agreeable and traceable. however i can't blame them for mindlessly agreeing to evolution, as it produces results. products of the scientific method have uncovered principles and some (close enough) rules which govern our universe, and this knowledge has manifested itself through technology. something faith in other beliefs has not been able to provide. it's a little ignorant when people try and attack science and it's methodical process when they unwittingly sit on it's results.
That stuff has been force fed to pretty much everybody in America from pre-school at age 4
perhaps it is also hypocritical that children are indoctrinated by evolution at school (but this is by no means a let off for christians. i know of museums which give baseless conclusions that humans and dinosaurs lived together, that the earth is something like 6000 years old (mostly all drawn from the bible) i was also force fed christian religious crap as a child, i even grew up singing in a cathedral choir while i was under 10 for about 24 hours a week alongside school.), but schools teach what is commonly accepted as truth. children would be even further behind if their learning were disrupted by people quarreling over personal truths. you wouldn't approve if your sunday school were disrupted by a group of muslims that disagreed with what the children were being taught. at school, in science classes, kids learn science-based facts.
as for the interviewer, while much of the fault lies with the terrible representatives he interviews, he also dismisses everything regardless of whether or not it's proof, although i don't believe he was trying to remove them as facts, but identify that 'believers' of science do not fully recognise the significance and relevance of the explanations and information they are given, and hence, act on faith, which i could agree that for some, perhaps even many, is true. however fossil records are factual and link species, but you can't use their age to debase their significance.
as for a good and very much observable example of evolution, we could turn to bacteria, (some reproduce in as short a time as 20 minutes.) these buggers evolve so fast that we have trouble developing medicine to counter the different species which are produced over just years). in hospitals, there is also a threat of bacteria which have evolved to be immune to antibiotics through copying errors paired with natural selection.
If you believe reptiles turned into birds, it's based on faith in things that you believe happened millions or billions of years ago but you can't observe it because you were not there so you are believing based on your faith. as mentioned, there are fossils which can be viewed in museums, or you could simply google it and get streams of information supporting evolution. we give fossils the timestamps they have because of various dating methods which agree with each other. we say reptiles evolved into birds because we know evolution as fact from species around and near our time (although in most cases , naturally outside out lifespan) and we assume that life tens of millions of years ago transitioned under the same general process. we then attempt to confirm this when discover different fossils which show a general transition from some form to another, or here, from some reptiles into birds.
The people in the video are college professors, atheistic, and you are saying they are ignorant?
Watch the video. The atheistic highly respected college professors in the video themselves tell me all they know of evilootion, which amounts to believing it happened.
Listen you little turtle, evilootion has been pumped down my throat for fifty years. Even as a little child I never really believed it. I had enough sense to know that for some reason, some teachers and people on tv and in magazines wanted me to believe things happened but nobody really saw those things happen. It's nothing new.
Watch the video and frame your comments in a way that shows you watched the video. I think it's obvious by your comments that you did not watch the video and are flat out lying when you pretend that you watched it .
Do you understand I'm calling you a liar for showing by your comments that you did not watch the video? Anybody reading this can watch the video and compare it to your comments and see that you are a liar.
yes, i watched the video, which is why i have arguments strongly related to it.
The people in the video are college professors, atheistic, and you are saying they are ignorant?
they specialise in an area of knowledge at college, this does not mean that they are better versed in evolution. the fact that they are basing their trust in evolution on faith is proof alone of their ignorance.
you little turtle
oh dear, belittling me? literally too? was that an attempt at irony or an attempt to level ego's?
Even as a little child I never really believed it. I had enough sense to know that for some reason, some teachers and people on tv and in magazines wanted me to believe things happened but nobody really saw those things happen. It's nothing new.
Watch
you can chase tails and break any argument to it's foundations to find it's can usually just be truth built on truth but eventually built on the unknown, i see this as true for any logical argument, it breaks down at some point, and sometimes at a point where it would still be sensible to explore.
Watch the video and frame your comments in a way that shows you watched the video. I think it's obvious by your comments that you did not watch the video and are flat out lying when you pretend that you watched it
clearly you've read only your own argument. i did actually watch the video, which is extremely apparent in my post
Anybody reading this can watch the video and compare it to your comments and see that you are a liar.
you're actually insane. time to change my profile pic i think
They dodged simple and direct questions repeatedly, trying to deny that evolution is based on faith and not evidence. You are doing the same thing, trying to dodge the questions put forth in the video. When the questions in the video are put to you the same way, if you are honest you will answer the same way.
Calling atheistic scientists who are highly reputable college professors like those in the video "ignorant" does not help your argument. They are professors of biology and anthropology who use their "education" to support their beliefs. You are the only person being ignorant here., and dodging the questions put forth in the video.
You call yourself "turtle", and I think the name is belittling yourself. I am a man. You belittle yourself by calling yourself a turtle, so I'll call you a little turtle. If you want to be a stupid turtle, go ahead.
At least you are admitting your beliefs are built on the unknown...so you are admitting you don't know why you believe what you believe and have no solid basis for believing it. That's a start..
I stand on truth. Jesus Chris the truth. We all deserve to die now as sinners, none of us deserves anything good, and if you end up in Hell it is because you deserve it for breaking God's law.
I can accept that you watched the video, but you are doing your best to twist things and avoid
admitting the evilootion is based on blind faith. . You are trying to fool yourself into believing you are justified to live when you are in reality condemned to die. This argument is based on truth. You are trying to deny the truth in preference for the lies of evilootion which teaches your existence justifies you to live. You need to wake up before you wake up in Hell. The pleasure of sin is not worth the price you are paying in your eternal dying, separated from God forever. God will satisfy you if you will believe Him and trust Him. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
trying to deny that evolution is based on faith and not evidence
no, their belief was based on faith due to their ignorance, but evolution itself is based on evidence.
Calling atheistic scientists who are highly reputable college professors like those in the video "ignorant" does not help your argument. They are professors of biology and anthropology who use their "education"
atheists are about as faith-based as theists, but this is independent of evolution. a reputable college professor can have a PHD in neuroscience, but still be ignorant on evolution, which is evident in that they were unable to answer simple questions in the video.
You call yourself "turtle", and I think the name is belittling yourself. I am a man. You belittle yourself by calling yourself a turtle
no, you're looking for something personal to chip away at, a name. common bullying tactic.
At least you are admitting your beliefs are built on the unknown
all is built on the poorly defined and unknown. but on what little has been properly defined, evolution stands strong, even if people are ignorant of why. an aeroplane can fly even if the people within it are clueless as to how it flies.
so you are admitting you don't know why you believe what you believe and have no solid basis for believing it
no, i submitted my belief on the nature of ideas and reasoning, that doesn't shake my faith in logic and reason, which has got me thus far happily without confliction. the fact that others do not know how evolution is backed up is irrelevant.
I stand on truth. Jesus Chris the truth.
from my perspective you stand on nothing but the meaningless words of others, but i doubt you see yourself the same way. i'm fairly sure you see me the same way i see you though.
This argument is based on truth
why? because you say so? because you're supposed friend of a friend back dozens of generations says so? to me you're a child that's just recieved a blank cheque and now you run around telling people whatever the hell you like, then hide when attacked under the roof of your collective god. your religion is manipulative of people's inherent feelings and responses to the point where it's offensive.
The truth is that you are dying. That is the truth, not because I say so, but because it is the truth. The truth is the truth is I say so or not, and if I agree with it or not.
A dying person needs to be saved. Now, you may think that you have to die and cannot be saved. So if you choose to believe that, you will not know the truth of the matter which is that God loves you and can save you and give you eternal life.
Believe whatever you want to believe, keep on saying death is part of life and you accept it, and see if you can keep yourself out of Hell....enjoy yourself while you can if that's the way you want to go out in ignorance of the truth.
that would be nice, but i doubt that would ever happen during my lifetime ;). i've come to terms with my death at present, who knows what will happen to me later, i may break down and become a sobbing wreck some day, but for now, i've accepted i will die. so at least for now, i have enough integrity so that i won't pawn my life off on the hope of some random ideology supporting post-humorous activity (there's more than just one religion btw!).
Believe whatever you want to believe
if you behaved as if you believed this on CD, i'm sure people here would have much less of a problem with you.
you want to go out in ignorance of the truth.
as a third party, it is sobering to watch you preach your religious ideals against the often identical promises, truths and threats of other equally arrogant people trying to represent other domineering religions. i'd be embarrassed to wear your shoes
the "evidences" of evilootion make you believe it really happened even though you never really saw it happening.
You don't understand, I am forgiven, I know this as a fact, I know how and I know why. I know who made it possible. I don't do the things I used to do any more because even though it often felt good and was fun at times, I know it was wrong and being wrong is evil. The truth is, the only reason you are rejecting Jesus Christ as your Savior if because you love being evil even if it is taking you to Hell, you don't even dare if it does take you to Hell, do you? You really don't care, do you? You will just go on sinning against God, won't you?
Go on and believe in evilootion if you want to. It's a joke, an April Fools joke and you can be the fool if you want to.
You are banned for using "hell" as a cuss word in my debate. I should have known better than to allow you to post any comments after I noticed you were posting in my debate.
They are college professors who teach evolution to lesser minds such as yours. They are PhD scientists who believe in evilootion, the same as you believe in it. The only real difference between them and you is that they, after repeated insistences that they answer direct questions directly, admitted that they believe in evilootion when they never actually saw it happen. It's really very simple. Anybody who says they saw evolution, which would be one kind of animal changed into a different kind of animal, is lying...they never saw it and never will. If they say they saw fossils which looked like animals who lived in shallow water, and they believe those animals changed into different kinds of animals which now live in the sea, they are being honest in stating their belief.
You are not being honest. Apparently, the professors had better parents than you did since they know how to be honest and you do not.
I'm responding to you, weeble boy. Watch the video. The video is the opening of the discussion here. If you don't want to watch it and discuss it, you are going to be banned.
Anybody cussing, spelling God's name with a lower case "g", using "Hell" as a cuss word......and any dirty stinking pervert talk will result in immediate banning the moment I see it.
Why do I get the feeling you won't hold yourself to your own standards.
This is the correct link. Watch the video if you want to join the discussion here. If you are only going to act like the brat you usually portray and disrupt discussion, you will be banned.
God punishes man because men with no morals and that want nothing to do with them try to explain him away by trying to contradict if men like this exist they are a threat to anyone who has them it must be OK to steal,kill and destroy because atheist say there is no God meaning no morals atheist are the reason behind death and destruction in the earth today God destroyed the earth because such men began to fill it if you took clay and made little men out of it and those men said you don't exist and that they came from food colouring to excuse their bad morals. men like this seek only the good of themselves and their own will telling others that there is no god so sin ran rampant in the earth man was given simple free will, the will to do good and evil God told him not to do evil but due to his sinful passions and lust and God saw 8 who wanted to b good because they cared for each other and were not selfish and saw the good for nothings and saved the 8 worthy ones God gave you a choice to do good with a warning of what followed doing the contrary say he doesn’t exists just to be evil and in hell atheist will lift there eyes and say "WE SCREWED UP!!!! That is my take on it Thank-you.
Couroc got banned because he does not want to discuss the topic and only wants to discourage people from watching the video. Don't be afraid, watch the video...what harm can an intellectual discussion of beliefs be when it is filmed? Atheists hate this kind of stuff because they prefer to avoid discussing their beliefs.
Cooroc was running his mouth. He was showing his ignorance and doing nothing but trying to disrupt. Notice how he insulted Comfort and lied about what the video portrays. Crock said the video only interviews average man on the streets, when in fact the video focuses on highly respected and accomplished Ph.D professors first, and most of the rest is interviewing their students. Crock or Coorac or whatever his name is has trouble discussing things civilly. He is well known, as several others, for being dirty minded and foul mouthed and I do not want him here playing the role of CLOWN MONKEY, and please tell him I called him that.
You are going to get banned here if you defend Crock any further.
Last chance if you want to read in or participate in this thread. Watch the video and show in your comments that you watched it, of I will in civil fashion ban your rude self.
The video interviews at least TWO Ph.D college professors and some college students. Bums are not being picked on. These are intellectual elites of atheism....being made fools of because they hate to admit they are believing blindly in things they have never seen.
Why don't you watch the video and find out? They are atheistic professors of biology and anthropology. I think they have enough qualifications to discuss atheism.
If that is the only argument you have to support your beliefs, saying you have to have a Ph.D. in atheism to discuss it, then atheism is too intellectual for you, isn't it? You better go get a Ph.D. in atheism so that your beliefs can't be exposed as foolish, right?
You posted the video of Nye/Ham...does Nye have a Ph.D in atheism, and if not, is that his excuse for acting so childish and using insult as his main point in arguing?
Yes, they are all pretty much the same. Bill Nye is no different in beliefs or education than the three college professors in the video which is the subject of this debate. The Nye/Ham debate was ok....too long for me. Nye looked like the typical "intellectual" atheist, childishly ignoring facts and clinging to evolutionary beliefs while insulting those who do not accept his beliefs.
That, is where you are wrong. "While insulting those who didn't accept his beliefs" THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT YOU ARE DOING!!! GO ON, BAN ME. IT ONLY SHOWS YOUR COWARDICE.
The above link is the subject video for this forum. The Nye/Ham debate is much too long...it was inserted uninvited by a person who was banned for refusing to discuss the subject video here.
The same points of the subject video are made in the Nye/Ham debate, but the Nye/Ham debate is much too long. There really is no need to discuss all the details as Nye and Ham did. I think that kind of debate is for the most part a waste of time because people who believe in evilootion will not listen to reason when reason shows that they are going by blind faith because they feel like it, and they are determined to not listen to reason. Debating is useless if you can't get an atheist so see that they are dying in a faith believing they are exempt from Hell.
And Nye was typically atheistic, insulting people who don't believe the things he says and ignoring rebukes to assertions he makes when easily documented facts prove him wrong.
I'll tell you what, just for you, if you want to discuss the Nye/Ham debate, I will discuss it with you. Watch that video and/or the subject video, and well discuss it. There is one guy here, smilingbib, who keeps wanting to write his own book on evilootion in this forum rather than discussing the comments and questions of the subject video. He is on the verge of being banned. I'm getting very little discussion of the video here because most of the people here prefer to avoid the main points of the video, and the concessions of highly accomplished and respected evilootionary university professors admitting that evilootion requires faith, and it is blind faith, to believe animals changed into different kind of animals until one or some of them turned into you and me.
Thanks for your comments.
Watch the video. Notice that the main subjects being interviewed are Ph.D. College professors and associate professors, one is the head of biology and anthropology at USC (you can correct me on that after you watch the video if I am wrong there, but I'm nor far off if I'm wrong...I didn't take detailed notes, it's a pretty simple video...but I made sure to notice that the three main subjects being interviewed are indeed PhD college professors at esteemed and nationally recognized colleges who strongly uphold evilootionary beliefs.)
You really have not violated any rule I uphold in my debates, so I'm not going to ban you if you will watch the subject video of the forum here and make comments focused on the video showing you actually watched it. It's evolutionVSgod, the link is given in many of the posts here.
I'm not insulting you if you say there is no God and I say you are a fool...I'm only telling you the truth. The Bible says in Psalm 14:1 that a fool says there is no God. In other places it says things like, "professing themselves to be wise, they became fools".
Fools are going to call me names, I expect that. It really does not bother me. They hated Jesus, killed Him for telling them the truth because He directly pointed out their sins. It's no surprise that people hate me the same as they hated Jesus. People generally don't want to hear the truth, they want to hear lies such as "death is ok because it's part of life and it recycles nutrients to make new life, so in your death you live forever" like my goofy faced dopeheaded smiling biology professor taught, trying to make death into something beautiful and good.
Atheists love death. They won't admit it, but they do...because they believe it relieves them of the sufferings under the curse of death. For an atheist, the curse will never be lifted, and they will wake up in Hell if they finalize their death insisting God is not there to give them mercy, after He mercifully gave them time to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell.
As long as you are not using profanity, and you either focus on the video or on direct communication with me, I won't ban you. I don't know why it bothers anybody if they get banned...maybe it's because being banned from a discussion is too similar from being banned from Heaven and unable to enjoy the lively talk....being separated from God in Hell is being banned from life...and that's where you are heading if you don't get saved....but go on and watch the video, please.
bold'Anybody cussing, spelling God's name with a lower case "g", using "Hell" as a cuss word......and any dirty stinking pervert talk will result in immediate banning the moment I see it.'bold
Yet you can't even spell Evolution properly.Or even Cuaroc's username. I think I got that wrong. Ooops. But anyway,
Evilootion is spelled Evolution....and Cuaroc's name is spelled "Crock". Evilootion and Coorock are both crocks for of stinking bologna. I spelled them right. They stink. I smelled them, and I spelled them. Call it the way it smells.
Now watch the video and discuss it or please at least stop whining about all your girly irritations.
You are one foul mouth pervert, aren't you? I won't be reading your stuff any more. You are on your way to Hell, God loves you, and I hope you prove me wrong because I think you are going to find yourself unable to get out of eternal dying in the fire of Hell the same as you are dying now.
Bill Nye is a celebrity. His popularity does not make him more educated than the college professors in the video which is the subject of this forum.
http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/.......this is the subject of the forum. They Nye/Ham debate is much too long, though I do recommend the video for excellently challenging atheistic and evolutionary beliefs.
Watch the video. the one with evolutionVSgod is the correct link. I'm not good and posting links and videos.
I want to keep the discussion focused on the video. I'll be happy to discuss the Biblical world view with you in private messages if you like....send me a message for that, but here, please watch the video and offer comments related to it. Thank you.
After Watching the video I wondered why people would be so confused about the facts involved in the theory of evolution. Even though it is a complex theory the basics are simple.
evolutionary facts- a) We know that the earth's crust is layered the newest part is what we live on today
b) From examining the earth's crust we see that over time layers contain a historical record as we go through the layers. (this is why we find ancient civilizations, fossils, oil, ect.)
c) We can estimate the age of many of the layers using radioactive decay since it has a reasonably stable rate of breakdown. (this is true science since it is observable and repeatable)
What is scientifically provable and observable is that life forms in the older layers of the earth's crust are simple and become more complex as the earth aged. This is always the case no exception.
d) This means that We don't have to see the "Kind" that came before what exists now to know FACTUALLY that something existed that yielded that "Kind".
e) By knowing that currently life forms are changing over the course of many generations which we can observe with bacteria for example in our life span.
All of this provable and repeatable evidence together equals the theory of evolution. Now let's compare that to creationism where NOTHING is provable or repeatable. NOT SCIENCE
The atheistic professors who are interviewed in the video, being accomplished scientists with PhD's in anthropology and biology, schooled in evilootion, surely could write volumes far above your experience in learning. That is not the question of the video, it simply points out that belief in evilootion if faith.
Those people tried to sidetrack with the kind of rabbit trails you listed here, but they were brought back to the question at hand repeatedly until they answered it directly instead of throwing up smokescreens like you are doing in order to avoid answering the questions of belief.
This is the last time I am going to try to get you to talk about the video, what they are actually saying in the video. You are ignoring the video and only displaying your beliefs in evilootion. You are doing all you can to ignore the questions in the video which would force yo to admit that believing in evilootion is believing in things you have never seen and never can see.
The people that I saw in the movie were students, not people with PhD's, where did you get that info from?? Now the truth is that he probably interviewed others but they had good answers to his rhetoric and they were excluded from his very one sided view.
I find it interesting that when I discuss logical facts about the basis of the video you get all defensive (a sign that you are not confident with your info). The video is nothing more than Ray brow beating young people with half truths and not giving them ample time to prepare an intelligent response. This is your idea of a debate??? You would be better served to watch him and Bill Nye debate the subject. That is a debate not an attack as the video dispays.
Bob, are you sure you watched the video? Do I have to name the three professors of biology and their PhD's for you? Their names and titles are clearly displayed, Bob. Is this how you learned about the Bible? picked out some little parts and then say you know it all?
All the interviewer did was to insist that the professors and students interviewed give him direct and honest answers to his questions. They tried to doge the questions, Bob. You are also trying to dodge the questions. You can't even see the names and PhD's of the Professors and Associate Professors clearly shown in the video....you are so busy trying to dodge the simple questions, so busy trying to ignore the fact that highly educated and esteemed college professors who know much more about evolution with their Biology and Anthropology degrees and their clearly stated belief in evolution........that you can't see the simple point of the video, that the educational leaders and students are pinned down to answer simple questions and admit evolution is based on faith.......blind faith in things that supposedly happened millions or billions of years ago, took millions or billions of years to transpire, but were not seen and cannot be shown, cannot be repeated. It's not science, Bob. Evolution is a belief.
If you can't make a lizard turn into a bird, you can only believe it happened even though you never can see it happen. Your "theory" of evilootion is only a belief. You believe it because you want to believe that God cannot rule against you and you escape all punishment in death. You want to believe you can't be condemned to Hell, maybe you actually do believe that but there is still something inside you that tells you that you are wrong and that is why you fight so hard trying to make yourself believe in things that you cannot show to be true. Show me a lizard, today, and make it change into a bird and then you have evidence of evillootion...you will never have evidence of evillottion because it never happened and never will.
Who claimed a lizard turned into a bird?? You should study evolution to get an understanding of what it actually is. lizards don't turn into birds. They may have common ancestors but that is it. I believe in evolution because it is factual, provable with repeatable results. All of the things that religion is not. Religion is relying on the word of some "Bronze age" men about all that is in the world. Many aspects are factually incorrect and contradictory. Nothing is provable or repeatable. That is why it is called faith. As for your theological claim of avoidance, that makes no sense because how can not believing in something excuse you from punishment. If I don't believe in cops can I just break the law with no consequence??? that is what you are stating. It borders on crazy just so you are aware.
You don't want God to be there for the same reason a criminal does not want a policeman to be there. You want to avoid punishment, and like a criminal hides from the police you are hiding from God. Some criminals will seek out the police and turn themselves in hoping for a lighter punishment than they would get if they were apprehended as fugitives. You are avoiding God like a fugitive, you need to turn yourself in and seek His mercy.
You're being a fool. God wants you to come into reason with Him, admit your guilt, agree with Him regarding His right to punish sin, believe He took the punishment of sin on Himself as Jesus Christ so He can consider your punishment complete and you can be justified to live forever by His resurrection.
And yes, Bob, Evolution is a belief which turns amoeba into earthworms, earthworms into frogs, frogs into lizards and mammals and birds, and monkeys into men. It's a fairy tale, make believe fairy tale.
Hello my friend, I would just like to clarify something with you if I could. From your perspective on evolution. Why as we examine the earth's crust do we find different layers of sedimentary stone?? How are these distinct layers formed?? Why do we find fossils in these layers??? Now for the tough part of this why with no exception do we find only fossils of simple life forms in the oldest layers every where in the world. In the layers above more complex aquatic fossils are found yet world wide with no exception not a single land dwelling animal. In the layers above that there are fossils of land reptiles added to the fossils found. After that things change a bit in the layers above some of the previously found fossils are not found but similar animal fossils are found. These start to vary by geographic location. This continues to be consistently found and recorded up to present times. With no exception no fossils of humans are found in any of the lower layers only at the very top layers. Yet there are primate fossils found on the earth before humans existed. If you can explain this in a six day event I would love to hear it..
Not to be contradictory but you did not learn evolution if you think that things followed the progression you have outlined. Here is an example of how it works. A monkey has a genetic mutation that causes the brain to grow bigger and hence that monkey is smarter. The smarter monkey lives longer and reproduces more because he is smarter. The off spring of that monkey carry the genetic code which makes that monkey smarter. Then another mutation a few generations later makes the smart monkeys stronger and they are healthier. All of the offspring have genes that make them smarter and stronger so much different after say 1000 generations that they are genetically not monkeys anymore but Chimps. This is one step evolution is a science based on the knowledge that genetic mutations are common. Mutations that are successful can further mutate of many generations to not have enough of the same characteristic to be classified with it's previous ancestors. Hence the change of "kinds" as Ray calls it. Yes it is witnessed in the fossil record of the earth. It's not just a made up thing.
all of this is nothing but smokescreens trying to hide the fact that you are believing things and expecting me to believe the same as you. If a fossil is a fossil, it's a fossil. If you can make it grow wings and turn into a monkey, I'd like to see it. You insist it happened but you never saw it. I think you're nuts.
You can't "witness" something that takes millions of years to happen, and millions of generations. Seeing a fossil of a lizard, and comparing it to a fossil of a bird, is witnessing nothing but a fossil of a lizard and a bird. If you speculate to say one change into another, it's nothing but faith, belief. That is the point of the video, and I'm tired of listening to you say you have evidence evolution when all you have is a pile of rocks/
I should study evolution? You don't think it was crammed down my throat during all my years in public schools, all the magazines I enjoyed, all the TV I watched? I always have enjoyed studying all kinds of science, even if they were trying to make me believe evolution for some odd reason. Studying it and believing it are two different things. You believe it. I have studied it more than enough. I really do enjoy scientific discovery, even if I do have to plod through a lot of evolutionary belief junk to pick out the scientific data.
True faith is based on true facts, and causes action according to the faith. People who believe in the lies of evolution believe that their actions are ok as long as they didn't get caught and haven't had to pay for it...even if they know that what they did is wrong, they think they get off the hook in death so it's ok....the problem is convincing themselves that Payday is not coming, and death gets them off the hook.
Evolution takes a group of chemicals and turns them onto a living cell which joins other cells to become a fish or amphibian, which then turns itself into lizards while some of them turn themselves into your uncle who was a monkey and now you are the wisest of the monkeys. It's dumb stuff, it's a joke. You act like it's a big mystery which is hard to understand when it's silly...you have to believe in things happening which have never been observed, and cannot be shown to be happening. Species adapting to their environments and developing varying traits is only adaptation. They remain whatever they are, fish, birds, lizards, whatever. Science observes these facts, evolution believes the silly ideas of animals turning into different animals.
God answers prayer. I have seen many prayers answers, many miracles, many lives changed forever. Many people became believers like myself when they saw simple prayers of believers answered by God in a fashion which made them fearful to deny it was God who caused the answer to materialize.
You probably will never see prayer answered because you are denying God and He won't show Himself to you if you wont' believe He is there. Real faith is based on evidence, facts. Knowing God is based on facts. You deny these facts so you cannot know God. You don't want to know God because you are proud, and in your pride you are going to be cast down. You will be cast down against your will if you will not willfully seek God's mercy before you finally and forever incur His wrath.
Jesus Christ is God, He is risen from the dead, and His Word is ordered by Him for us to know Him. Jesus was seen alive by one, then by two, then by many witnesses. He ate with them, He walked with them, He talked with them. He was seen alive by over five hundred at one time. There is no body to show of Christ because He took it to Heaven after He came out of the grave in spite of the Roman Soldiers who were posted to keep the Roman seal on the grave intact. Secular historians gave Him little notice because they always rejected Him and their political ties demanded that they try to make Him uninfluential. In spite of the whole world being against Jesus, His followers obeyed Him and spread the good news of His resurrection throughout the world at the cost of their own lives blood.
The Romans could not quench the fire of those who knew their sins were paid for by the blood of Christ though they tried to monopolize Christianity under Constantine under the guise of "Papacy". Jesus said He would build His church and the gates of Hell would not prevail against it and I am a member of His church which He bought with His blood.
Bob, you don't know what you are talking about other than you know that you reject God's offer of pardon through the blood He gave on the cross in your place, you refuse to believe He is risen from the dead and He is God. That's all you really know...your own choice.
Bob, this long exercise in futility is so simply answered that it's a joke. At the end of your discourse, you say "provable and repeatable evidence together equals a theory". The problem with that statement is that there is no provable and repeatable evidence of one kind of animal turning into another kind. The "theory" of evolution is a belief in things happening which were never observed happening, and cannot be shown happening, and cannot be repeated because they were never seen in the first place. It's called "OBSERVATION". The "theory" of evolution cannot be observed, so in reality it is nothing more than a hypothesis, a guess which the guesser goes out trying to prove his guess to be right.
You say "Factually" that something existed which yielded a "Kind", but you have never seen this happen, you can only believe it happened. That is not SCIENCE. SCIENCE IS OBSERVATION. Appied Science is using the knowledge of what is observed to manipulate objects in nature which are observable.
Look at the sky, Bib. The heavens declare the glory of God, Bob. The firmament shows His handiwork. The invisible things of God from the creation of the world are clearly seen....you don't have an excuse for rejecting God's offer of forgiveness, reconciliation, pardon, atonement for your soul through His own blood as the Son of God, Bob. You are only fooling yourself. He is risen from the dead and will judge the living and the dead. If you wont' receive Him as your Savior, you will be forced to appear before Him as your Judge, and you will be cast away into the Lake of Fire to fry like an eternal sausage. He paid the price in dying for you, Bob. If you think it's nothing what He did for you, then He will think it's nothing to leave you burning in Hell, dying, forever.
So what observation do you reject my friend, is it the observation that sedimentary rock exists (factually it does) or that fossils of life forms that lived in the past are found in these layers of sedimentary rock (these are factually observable) That is why it is a science and not a guess because we do observe these things.
When I look in the sky I see million of other solar systems just like ours and know that it would be arrogant to think that with millions of other solar systems that we are the only planet with life on it.
observing fossils is not observing reptiles turning into birds. You have never observed it, you only believe it happened because you want to believe it happened.
To say it is arrogant to believe that we are the only planet with life is an insult, and an pretense of having a moral superiority. We are all the same, Bib, we all deserve to die and burn in Hell. Did you see that the three main subjects interviewed in the video are Ph.D college professors, and associate professors? Schooled in evolution all of their lives. You are again avoiding ansering the questions being asked in the video. You say you have observed evolution, but as in the video, when directly asked to show it you cannot.
You are a firm believer in being justified to live by the fact that you exist. Can you admit this? Can you admit that you actually believe anything? Can you admit that you believe life came from non-life? Or do you believe living things always existed and you were seeded here from some other planet? Does this belief really make you humble and not arrogant? It seems to me that you are arrogant, asserting you are more rational and intelligent than those who do not believe the same things you do about life or existence or whatever you call yourself.
This is what's funny to me...people like you refuse to be pinned down to admit that you believe in anything.
Observing fossils in layers of rocks does not equal observing fish turning into reptiles or any such thing. If you want to believe your ancestors were some kind of monkey or ape, go ahead and believe that. I think it's silly.
How come you don't respond when I show you are obviously wrong? Why did you not acknowledge that the subject video here was centered around three Ph.D's from esteemed and recognized universities such as USC? Professors who are experts in their fields of sciences supporting evilootion. Why, Bib?
And why did you not acknowledge that your Bible knowledge is terribly lacking after you insisted that nowhere in the Bible does it say that unbelievers will end up in Hell?...after I showed from the Bible where it clearly states unbelievers will be in the lake of fire? You didn't notice that, Bob?
Now Bob, Let's keep the discussion focused on anserwing questions like in the video. Can you show me one example of one kind of animal changing into another kind of animal, such as evilootiionary belief insists actually happened? You can't show me because you never saw it happen and it's not happening now. You believe, blindly, that it happened. You have a lot more faith than me......I could never believe such things happened. Of course all of the simplistic explanations of evilootion you put forth were taught to me from the time I was a little child, pretty much the same as everybody in the USA and Canada...then you put on this big show like you have special knowledge and understanding when all you have is your decision to believe that amoebas turned into monkeys which turned into men. If you want to believe that stuff, go ahead. The professors in the video believe the same way as you, Bob. Since you love using their science as proof of your beliefs, I think you should sign up for some of their classes and polish up your points. You might want to get into alleles and junk DNA and things like that as supports of your belief that monkeys or apes turned into people......and put together a good explanation of the events which caused life to emerge out of non-living material, and then to start replicating itself.....even though there is NO explanation that in any way can be shown, and all you can do is believe it happened in spite of common sense telling you it's not possible. I learned all about that in biology class taught by a professor similar to those in the subject video, Bob. It's nothing new...it's a worn out joke and it's keeping you in the darkness of death...designed to usher you into Hell as a sinner turned evil against your Creator.
You aren't keeping up with modern science of evolution. In 2002 a lab made a living virus without nature just chemicals in a lab. So has mankind witnessed life from non living materials YES,
Now Ken uses the term kind, which has no scientific meaning. If we substitute species for kind then we have seen a change of kind. Now to be realistic it took 31,000 generations for there to be enough mutated change to become so different from the original organism that it was a different species. Bacteria reproduces fast enough that in our life time we can witness evolution happening. More complex life forms reproduce at a much slower rate and our lives are not long enough to witness those kinds of changes first hand. There is evolutionary evidence from the millions of years that life has existed on this planet in the layers of sedimentary rock. Things have fossilized in this rock and we study the fossils of the life forms that lived long ago. Evolution is the result of all of that data from around the world. It is consistent with repeatable results. Where ever in the world you go if you find sedimentary rock with fossils the same life will always be in the same age layer.
Really? why don't you show me this creation of life and we'll talk about it. I'm pretty sure I know what you are referring to, but please be specific, provide a link and a summary in your own words so I can show how silly you are being to say a living virus was made without nature, with only chemicals in a lab.
Bib, your just making things up as you go along here. Substituting the word species for kind does not change monkeys into people. The "species" you insist are different "kinds" of animals still remain as what they are...lizards remain lizards, birds remain birds, Darwin's finches remained as finches, they still are finches, and they will never be storks. Storks do not deliver babies, and amphibians do not morph into reptiles.
The bacteria you claim to witness evolving in your life time are only adapting to changing conditions in their environment, they never stop being bacteria except for when they die and then they become inert ingredients which may appear in your bread.
Evolution is the result of all that date from around the world? So you assemble a bunch of data and then you believe bacteria morphed into hydra which morphed into phrogs which morphed into monkeys which morphed into people. You are inserting your own belief in things you have never seen happen and will never see happen. You keep trying to redefine words to accommodate your beliefs. I don't buy it.
The part of evolution that you fail to recognize is that monkeys don't change into people. monkeys, birds, and lizards all have genetic mutations. This is going on today with most any species. If the mutation is dominant and successful that kind will now have that trait. These mutations alter the species in minor ways over several generations. Now the part that you have trouble with is that after tens of thousands of generations this species may become so different that it is no longer that same species. As with man a chromosome pair fused in a common ancestor with chimps. The offspring that had this mutation were primitive man. The ones that didn't became chimps. evolution just took a different direction with each species. We didn't morph form chimps we just had a common ancestor with chimps. It is that way for all "kinds" We may not have a complete fossil record to show all of the transition but there is enough to make an educated assumption. That is not blind faith. If God made everything then why do things evolve now, or as you say adapting to their environment? If God exists and is omniscient and created everything why didn't God just do it correctly (since God knows the outcome) and there would be no need for change. If God exists as it is written, For eternity God was content, what would have prompted God to create the universe? Then God creates mankind in his image. But God creates his own remorse knowing that he was creating something that he would be disappointed with. This is illogical from my small brain so why would something of much greater intellect and power fail in such a way as to be remorseful? Genesis 6:6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
why don't you go on and talk with dipshot? I'm not interested in this stuff, people like you and dipshot wont listen. Atheist like you think you are smarter and better than God and you are just being fools, a waste of my time to argue with.
We're going off track, but I'll humor you a little. You are trying to take the lead, and that's why I banned you. I requested conversation to focus on the video in which the lead is direct and focused on topic. You are trying to avoid that by doing what was not allowed in the video...refusing to listen and refusing to answer questions.
Most of your stuff I'm not reading, I've heard it all my life and finally realized it's all a big lie....and there is an agenda behind it. God was grieved that He made man because He loved man, and knew what He would have to do to save man from perishing in Hell. He knew before He created man that they would rebel and His justice would demand they be sent away from Him forever, removed from the life giver, punished for their sin. That's what Hell is for, Bib, punishment of sin. To save man from Hell, God Himself took on the form of a man to pay mans penalty in death, so that in His resurrection He honors justice to forgive those who believe on Him and receive Him as their Savior because of what He did for them, and because of who He is, and because of their need. You can know today that your sins are completely forgiven now and forever and that you have eternal life, unlike anything the Pope wants you to believe. You can know that you are going to heaven NOW, but you won't, will you Bib? You forgive yourself so you don't need God's forgiveness, right? You don't need His payment for your sins, right? Who's gonna pay, Bib? You are paying now, and it's never going to end because you can't undo your sins, Bib. You will carry them with you in your condemnation in Hell forever if you don't get saved from it before it's too late.
You are not being honest about modern science. If a virus is a living thing, which is may be since it reproduces itself, scientist (ungodly scientists who are ungodly like you) remain divided as to whether or not it is indeed a living organism or is merely a rogue piece of DNA which somehow became separated from living organisms and can only survive by being a parasite....simple a parasitic piece of DNA and not really a living thing.
Here is one of the easily found links describing the virus assembled which you are declaring is life emerging from non-living materials. You neglect two things: the construction of the virus was done through very high intelligence, intelligently designed by living beings, and because the designers are limited in intelligent, they still cannot prove they have created a life form which is anything more than an active strand of DNA. The thing they created is good for nothing but killing. It would eventually destroy itself by killing all host organisms. You are inserting beliefs to rule over reality. This is not proof that it is possible for life to emerge out of non-living things without a living person making it happen. To the contrary, this shows it is necessary for an intelligent designer to make something that even remotely resembles being alive.
I am well enough aware of modern science. I take it for what it is, and do not accept inserted beliefs as facts. You are trying to insert a belief in life emerging from non-living substances on it's own accord, an accord which it did not have before it lived and therefore could not have....life cannot by it's own accord live. It was created by the living God, and is sustained by God. To believe differently is blind faith. The reality of God is observed in His creation.
Another point you are ignoring is that the DNA molecules used to build this virus were not assembled by the scientists. Attempts to assemble DNA have failed, in spite of initially being declared successful. After declaring successful creation of a DNA molecule, scientists were forced to concede that all of the building blocks of DNA were not present in their concoction.
Believers in evolution ignore facts which discredit their beliefs, and claim there beliefs to be facts based on data which fails to substantiate their beliefs.
It's not me who is not keeping up with modern science. This is old stuff. I dismissed it as having no personal value for myself a long time ago. Genetic manipulations are going to increase in complexity, and there are so many danger signs it is a wonder that it is allowed at all other than that it will be used for evil purposes. The tiny bits of claims of benefits of genetic manipulation are completely contradicted by warning indicators, but onward through the fog our ungodly scientists go, not really caring about what is good but only caring about making a name for themselves showing new capabilities of applied science....if it is good or evil when applied really does not matter to them since they think they are the gods themselves who rule their own lives....a bunch of fools.
There is no assurance that a virus is a living thing, scientists are pretty well split on whether a virus is a life form. I think it is nothing but rogue DNA which broke off somewhere, probably from dying or dead animals or people. I do not think they are in themselves living organisms.
Building a virus by tinkering with DNA is a far cry from life emerging out of non-life. All of the assertions you make are easily debunked by objective science....but people like you want to believe anything other than that God rules over you. You could easily find the science against evilootion which discredits every claim you have made about it.
Bacteria changing are still bacteria. You are not witnessing evolution when bacteria mutate into different strands. When one of them turns into a fish, I'm sure we will hear about it on the news.....never.
I keep up with "modern science" enough. Evolution is not science, and it completely unnecessary for scientific study or practical application of science. The only thing you get out of evolution is pride, feeling you have the right to exist outside of Hell as a sinner and it's just plain foolish.
"Evolution" is not modern science. It is a philosophical hypothesis in which the believer feels justified to live by their own existence. It is a religious belief, nothing new. Ancient peoples believed they descended from fish, mermaid-like creatures who crawled out of the sea and evolved into people. It's nothing but religion masquerading as science. The verbiage of it's believers is full of religious jargon stating their beliefs, and then they deny it is a religious belief system.
You are trying to confuse definitions of words to cover up the fact that you cannot observe one animal changing into another animal...adaptation is not evolution. Science observes adaptation, religious beliefs claim cells turned into animals which turned into different kinds of animals.
There is nothing difficult to understand about this belief system. It's very simple. You believe that somewhere in the universe, here or there, life emerged out of non-living materials, and then changed into countless numbers of different animals over vast periods of time. It's how you convince yourself that God cannot rule over or against you, and death gets you out of your life so you won't be punished in death. That's all it is, people trying to convince themselves that Hell is not their destination, and you seem to be making a pretty good fool of yourself in it.
A lab did not make a living virus, and life has never been created in the lab. You have to stretch definitions, and ignore facts to believe what you just said. Look up the 2002 test and you will see it was only manipulations of things that were already living. The claims of "proteins" being made in lab were also false, and disclaimers were soon issued regarding those announcements because they were forced to admit that the molecules were not true proteins due to only having three of the necessary building blocks of proteins and the fourth one made the compound impossible to be a protein.
This is the same kind of stuff that phony scientists who believe in evolution announce as "proofs" when in fact they are nothing more than wishful thinking. They have done the same thing scores of times with big announcements of missing links which were proved to be hoaxes, but like the way you still boast of having created life, they still use the missing link hoaxes as if they were real.
All you are doing is grasping at straws trying to convince yourself that you don't have to fear God for your wrongdoing toward Him and others in life. You will give account of every moment of your time, every word, thought, and action, to God. If His forgiveness is not secured through His blood payment for you when he died in your place on the cross, you will not be seen as justified by Him in His resurrection and the One who would be your Savior is your Creator, and He will be your Judge if you will not admit His right banish sin forever in the Lake of Fire....and you will take your sin there and keep it because you insist it is nothing that He took your sin on Himself when He gave His life for YOU.
That's about it, Bob....There's nothing more I can say if you want to go on believing God can't take your life and throw it away from Him forever.
Science is observing God's creation. Science is observation via our physical senses...Evolution is not science, it's a hypothesis which can never be observed. Observing fossils and/or strata in the ground is only observing fossils and/or strata, and it is science. When you start believing the lizards turned into birds, then you are believing something which is not science. You can't show it happening, you just have to believe it happened. I don't believe it, never did even though I tried to as it was crammed down my throat pretty much as far back as I can remember, in schools, in magazines, and on TV. It always seemed cold and empty to believe in it, so I never stopped believing it is possible to know God. God makes it possible for us to know Him personally. God loves you, Bob, even if you try to make Him go away by saying He is not there.
It is a Theory. Which BEGAN as a hypotheis. But then passed test after test and observation after observation until it was promoted to being a full-blown Theory. As in the Theory of Relativity.
Also know, as I have explained before, ad nauseum, that the word "theory" when used in science is VERY different from when you use it in everyday conversation. Where it means little. As in "I have a theory why Obama is a socialist."
Because when we use the word like that, what we really mean is "I have an idea" or an "opinion."
NOT the same thing as in science.
God loves nobody since he does not exist.
Lizards did not turn into birds. We have thousands of transitionalk fossils which will explain this to you. Do I really need to list them again?
Your credibility--which is pure shite as of now--would be much much improved if you understood even a little of what you zealously deny.
Watch the video, reprobate. The Professors in the video very well may have been some of your esteemed teachers. If you do not show in your next post here that you have watched the video, you will be banned....you might be banned already, but here's the video anyways.
Uh huh, sure, twist the meanings of words to try to hide the fact that you believe things happened which nobody has ever seen and you can't show happening. I think this is why I never believed it even when it was crammed down my throat all my life as far back as I can remember....as a child I had enough common sense to know that if people have to change meanings of words to support their beliefs, they should not be trusted. I guess that's why I got saved, I always believed in objective truth, their had to be an ultimate standard of fairness and now I know His name is Jesus Christ my King and Savior, the KING of all Kings and LORD OF ALL.....including you even though you hate Him being your Lord...your Master...Your Creator...the only thing you are denying Him of is being your Savior and that's your choice....the worst choice you can make, but you are free to make it and I can't stop you, can I? Nope. I would if I could. Only God can save you, and you aren't going to believe it, are you? Dying, walking talking dead man, so smart and big mouthed and bad......atheists are fools, and Catholics are NOT Christians no matter what Webster or the Pope say.
This is the correct link. Watch the video please. If you will not watch it and will only sit there like a little brat and try to disrupt, you will be banned.
This video gives the format of discussion here. Several highly intelligent and generally friendly atheists are interviewed and questioned about there belief in evilootion. They look like fools, and it's very easy to make them look like fools......all of them from the most highly educated to the most moronic...they look like fools if you can get them to answer honestly about their beliefs.
WATCH THE MOVIE IF YOU CAN STOMACH ATHEISTS WHO ARE SUPPOSED TO BE EDUCATED AND GOOD PEOPLE BEING MADE FOOLS OF BY THEIR INABILITY TO OFFER LOGICAL ANSWERS FOR THEIR BELIEFS REGARDING EVOLTUION AND GOD.
VERY ENTERTAINING, but atheists may find it frustrating because their beliefs are simplified and exposed as ridiculous, while the atheists get frustrated wanting to add more and more things to believe in order to support their basic belief of having the right to exist free from Hell.
Ray Comfort videos are the worst. He challenges people off the street. Why can't he go against the intellectuals leading the Atheist movement? Because he knows he is wrong.
First, he doesn't know what the word "kind" means. He literally has never defined it. He then goes on to get people to discuss a word that has no meaning. The word "kind" that Darwin used is now the word species. And, we actually have observed a species of lizards evolve into 2 different species of lizards. So, he is actually wrong about needing faith.
beliefs are simplified
Everyone hates when their beliefs are simplified because it is usually not their actual belief. For instance, to simplify your belief, you believe in an all powerful sky wizard.
All the atheists are the same. In the video, a college professor is interviewed and I don't think she would appreciate being compared to an uneducated street person. They are all the same, believing things they want to believe which in reality are childishly simple but fools spend a lifetime in education trying to show their foolish beliefs prove they are intelligent...or vice versa, they are trying to prove that their intelligence makes their beliefs into reality. When they are questioned directly about their beliefs and pinned down to give specific and direct answers to simple questions, they look and sound like fools and that is why atheists hate this kind of discussion and exposure of the insanity of their beliefs.
Lizards remain lizards. Darwin's finches remained as finches. They always were and still are finches. The lizards are still lizards. Atheist and evilootionists believe the lizards became birds by blind faith and nothing more.
I asked you to discuss the video for the last time. It's getting to the point where I am going to ban you automatically from any of my debates in the future. Some people just won't learn.
The "ring species" never become different kinds of animals. They are simply adapting to their different environments. That is not evolution. That's adaptation. To believe it proves that one kind of animal turned into another king is a stretch of the imagination, belief, blind faith. You have never seen it happen yet you believe it did.
I believe the eyewitness reports of people who obeyed God, witnessed His actions, heard Him speak, saw Him die on the cross and watched Him as He invited Doubting Thomas to thrust his hand into the hole left by the spear in His side, and put his fingers in the nail prints in His hands. People preserved and passed on God's Word often at the cost of torture and death, and the Word has never been stopped, cannot be stopped, and will be fully revealed in Jesus Christ who will rule the world from Mt. Zion.
These are eyewitness accounts. Evolution is a belief with no eyewitnesses, only a bunch of people inventing imaginations to make themselves feel like they have some kind of special knowledge which makes them exempt from Hell.
It is much more than blind faith. Blind faith is accepting that something is true with no evidence to come to that conclusion. In it's simplest form if we look at fossils of different ages there is a point where finches don't exist, a point where lizards don't exist, yet life exists. There are fish that have feet and lungs. It is not blind faith to believe that this fish is an ancestor to the lizard. That is a logical deduction, since anything older than that is a less complex organism. Known facts are that the earth is billions of years old not thousands. At one time there was no life on earth. The first life on earth was single celled life became more complex as time went on.
Religious faith requires that you don't use any evidence and just make up a story involving magic without evidence that magic exists or a magic entity. If God were a true thing it would be easy to prove and repeatable with what we "KNOW" of this God. God is good people are created in God's image hence people are good. Is that repeatable and provable?????? All of what is written about all of the God's that people have had through the ages is contradictory not provable or repeatable. That is why there are so many different religious beliefs.
Faith based on facts is evidence on which we take action. When you receive a check, you have faith that the check is as good as money and you take it to the bank in hope of getting the cash. When you get the cash in hand, that is the fruit of your faith. You believed it was good, you took it to the bank, and got the money. Faith is the evidence on which you take action. If your faith is in things you do not know to be true, it's blind faith. Taking the check to the bank is partially blind faith because it is possible that the world could fall into sudden war or calamity forcing the banks to close so you could not get the cash. The faith is relatively good faith, since you know the bank is most likely going to remain in operation, and you probably know the person who gave you the check is good for his word and you can take the check to the bank in good faith.
What you are trying to do in framing "religious" faith is to imply Jesus Christ is not God, is not risen from the dead, and was either a liar or a lunatic because he said He is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. He gave many infallible proofs as to who He is and what He did. My faith is based on facts. I do not practice any religion, I believe the truth and live in reality. We all deserve to die and burn in Hell, we are all under God's mercy as long as we are not in Hell, and we all can be saved from Hell. I know for a fact that I am forgiven of all my sins and I am going to be with Jesus forever the moment my time in this body of death is finalized.
You can know if you will believe the facts. If you say these facts presented by the Word of God are lies, you will never know the truth and forever be wandering in uncertainty until you wake up in Hell and then know it was real when you could have believed it when you were told about it before you found yourself unable to escape from it. If you want to go out and find out by experience, go ahead, Why should I feel sorry for you when you are making your own choice of rejecting God's offer of pardon through the blood of His Son which He gave as the payment for your sins so you can be relieved of the debt you owe God but can never pay except by serving eternity in Hell as a sinner, forever separated from God by your sin.
This is a waste of time, Bob. If you want to believe in evilootion, go ahead. If you want to believe that you do not owe God anything for your sins, go ahead. If you want to believe that you go unpunished in death, go ahead. You're not listening, and I'm wasting my time thinking you will listen.
If you believe lizards turned into birds, you are believing something you never observed, never has been and never will be observed.
You're problem is that you are looking for 'transitional' species between modern animals, which of course, don't exist. However, as time goes on, we can look at evidence and find that lizards and birds likely have a common ancestor. There are no creatures that are in-between monkeys and humans, but years ago, there was a species that resembled both. As time went on, gradual changes developed in a couple different directions, leading to what we see today. If you actually wished to learn in more detail (I just gave some pretty broad simplifications) there is a lot more information available to you.
ever has been and never will be observed.
We have never observed a 2 year old girl going to sleep and then waking up as an adult. Does that mean aging doesn't happen?
How many millions of years did it take for the two year old to become an adult, and was anybody there watching it happen? Were you a test tube baby with no parents, raised in a rubber room and fed through a pipeline in a place where nobody saw if you were alive or not? Where did you get your powers of reason? Don't tell me, you found them in a box of Cracker Jacks.
I'm not looking for transitional species which do not exist because I know they do not exist and it would be a waste of time looking for them. You believe they existed because you have faith in evolution...you never saw one animal turn into a different animal, but you believe it happened and that is blind faith.
You can't show me one example of what you believe happened. You just expect me to believe it because you believe it.
"Looking at evidence" is one thing, saying that lizards and birds "LIKELY"...your own word...."LIKELY" shows you are believing things. You are saying it's true because you think it's likely, and likely is only based on your opinion and not on any evidence you can provide. Fossils are only fossils. They are dead. Until you can show a real reptile turning into a real bird, live in front of me, you are asking me to believe things happened which you never saw happen and you can't show them happening.
All the details you offer as some kind of higher education or deeper knowledge have been shoved down everybody's throat for decades in public schools and on television. Quit pretending like you are some kind of god with special knowledge. The people in the video are much more educated and accomplished than you, much more respectful and courteous in their speech, and you could learn from them about being civil in discussion. Those professors really are nice and intriguing individuals and I can see why their students like them and follow their teachings. I don't know why anybody would follow your teachings.
Evolution is a very simplistic teaching and it has been around for thousands of years, long before Darwin. People believed their ancestors crawled out of the swamps or oceans, and worshipped their mermaid-type idols. It's nothing new. It's the same old idolizing of nature and creation as the god rather than believing in the Creator as God....and it offers the same old false hope of one's life being justified so that they can believe they are exempt from Hell. It's just another religion of lies from Hell designed to pull you down to Hell as a pawn of Satan who can only strike back against God by destroying fools like you who God loved so much that He died to save you and rose from the dead to justify you to be forgiven and have eternal life. The devil has a death grip on you through your sin, and you are believing some of his lies to keep you blind all the way until you wake up in Hell....and like a fool you think you have proof that you can't end up in Hell.
You again prove your ignorance and delusions and refusal to learn.
You again say, "I will not let the facts interfere with my opinion!"
LOL
So, are you really going to say that all of THIS is not real? Simply invented? And all those transitional fossils in all those museums are faked?
Talk about fantasy. You really need to get some education.
I dare anybody to read this exhaustive list of transitional fossils, and not be totally blown-away with how many there are. And with how thoroughly science has proved Evolution.
Sure, they are the worst because of their simplicity. The beliefs of atheists are simplified and shown to be foolish...childishly simple and foolish. It is very frustrating to atheists, who basically can only reply by saying "Billions and quadrillions of years and kazillions of universes and planets make evilootion true." Watch the video or get banned. Last warning.
For what ever reason I could not get to the video but I love a good religious debate. Evolution is pretty easy to prove and as for atheism that is the default position. All individuals are born atheist. Religion is a learned trait that is why you are the same religious belief as your peer group. Many atheists like myself started out with a religious up bringing. Researching the subject we discovered that the material we were taught about religion was false and convoluted. Once you realize that you were taught a lie it is a short trip to total lack of faith, hence atheism. There is nothing at all dumb about that. If you are a Christian it is only because you have never really studied the Bible and the truth it contains. If you care to have a serious debate about the truth in the Bible I would enjoy the challenge.
Some of the links are working, some are not...when I posted them, I thought they worked....I'll try again for you......most of the people here are talking like they wathed it when it's obvious by the things they are saying that they did not watch it. Most of the people here are being childish and rude. I'm trying to keep the discussion focused on the video......http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/
I appreciate your good manners in expressing yourself here. Eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ after He rose from the dead gave their lives to tell the good news, they put it in writing, and people gave their lives to protect those writings. It's too bad you have been persuaded to believe they were liars. Death has been conquered and I am fully persuaded beyond any doubt that my sins have been paid for by God Himself, by His own blood, in Jesus Christ and I am forgiven and will be with Him forever as He is, resurrected, for ever and ever. If you really believe you don't need to be forgiven, and you really believe Jesus did not die in your place, then you will die in your own place and never escape your dying and you will wake up in Hell. I'm not trying to be harsh or unkind, I'm only telling you the truth in hope that you will see you cannot justify your life or your living in any moment of your time. God will be your justifier if you will believe in your heart that He raised Jesus from the dead so you can be forgiven of your sins which He died for.
This is the gospel message. Your challenge is against God and I can't help you with it if you won't believe the good news of God, the gospel of Jesus Christ. Please don't hold it against me that I agree with the Bible in Psalm 14 regarding your beliefs.
