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Debate Score:150
Arguments:111
Total Votes:165
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Atheism has many advantages over religion.

 

For starters:

No self immolation.

You don't have to pay a tithe.

You can get laid before marriage.

You can use God's name in vain all you want.

You don't have to get up early in the morning on Sunday, get dressed up and go to church.

When you come home drunk at night, you can go straight to bed without having said your prayers.

You don't have to fast or give anything up during a specific time of year or celebrate weird religious holidays.

If it feels good, do it.  You don't have to worry that you will burn in Hell for you moral indiscretions..., at least not until after it's too late.

You don't have to dress a certain way, wear your hair a certain way, cover your face, have a beard, wear a hat, wear a necklace, put a red dot on your forehead, or anything.

 

There are some draw backs, like Christmas.  Unless you don't mind being called a hypocrite and can rationalize it away.

 

In conclusion, atheism is a good deal with many benefits and few drawbacks.

True.

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Wait..., what? No!!!

Side Score: 78

I almost forgot, you don't have to go door to door to try and convert people to your religion. You can do it from the comfort of your home, on your computer, here on CD or anywhere else on the internet ;)

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FromWithin(8239) Disputed
1 point

The only people going door to door are Jehovah Witnesses. Christians usually do not go door to door. People can not convert others, only God can do that & it is up to the person to freely choose his faith. No one is forced to believe anything unless you live in Muslim nations.

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I was using the "generic" religion. I was not specifically calling out Christianity. ;)

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mrarnold40(5) Disputed
1 point

Christianity was forced on so many people. The entire point of the crusades was to take back the Holy Lands and kill/convert anyone occupying that land. Native Americans were forced to convert or die, African Americans were forced to convert.

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1 point

Although Christmas has strong pagan roots, so it doesn't really matter if you're not a Christian.

Side: True.
1 point

Also, you don't have to lie to yourself for the rest of your life. And your prospected afterlife is much better.

Side: True.
1 point

The only thing that religions do is to take your money and control your sex life, nothing else... just a cruel and pointless bullshit.

Side: True.
1 point

As an Atheist, I believe that life is easier as I am not confined to a set of beliefs or rules. I am free to do whatever I please, within reason, and not have to worry about 'sinning' or looked down upon by a God. I also don't have to visit a religious place of worship.

Side: True.
1 point

With Atheism you can do whatever you please and not worry about burning in hell. If you know me, then you'll understand how that could be appealing to me ;)

Also, Church isn't fun :(

Side: True.
1 point

Religion is also bad for the economy. All those books, shrines, and buildings. The fact that taxing churches would massively affect America's economy.

and the plus sides

· You don't have to worry about the afterlife.

· You can live a happy life as a woman

· Gay marriage

· No church

· Don't have to waste precious years of your life.

· Many more

Side: True.
4 points

It's funny to listen to people who think that living the any thing goes lifestyle actually brings true happiness. Tell me what happens after you start acting upon every immoral urge you have? Well, after you have created kids you refuse to support, and gotten addicted to drugs or alcohol or cigarettes, etc. and when you are in debt up to your ears, and when these immoral choices in life no longer excite, and when you get bored with everything after a time, it all comes crumbling down.

The worldly pleasures lure you in and then spits you out.

For me, family, love, faith in God are what truly brings happiness for the long run.

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Atheists stay married longer. (21% of Atheists have been divorced vs 29% for Christians) -Barna Research Group 1999. ;)

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ProLogos(2794) Disputed
2 points

That was a long time ago, those percentages could have changed by now.

Side: True.
MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
6 points

Tell me what happens after you start acting upon every immoral urge you have?

Can't tell you. Neither I nor any atheist I know behaves that way. Can't understand why anybody WOULD. We have empathy, laws, accepted norms of behavior, practical considerations etc. Open your eyes, atheists may not believe the same things as you, but most of us conduct our lives relatively similarly to you day in and day out. In fact, we are LESS likely to go to jail, so get off your high horse and realize that professed belief in God tells you nothing about a person's morality.

Side: True.
FromWithin(8239) Disputed
2 points

I was not trying to say all Atheists choose immoral choices in life. My point is that they have no moral road map to follow because they refuse to care what the Bible says about morals. Tell me where your moral code comes from? If you say it comes from your own beliefs, then no man alive has the same moral road map to follow does he? If there are no moral values lifted up from a majority faith in a nation, what is it that stops dead beats from sleeping around getting many women pregnant and then walking away from the children? Is your answer making moral laws to stop those immoral choices? No, you have no answer and it is your mentality from the Left that has created this anything goes culture we live in. Can you grasp what I am saying?

All the broken homes, all the addicts, all the children with no fathers, etc. are a result of an amoral nation with no moral road map to follow. I personally know of one young man who got ten different girls pregnant and has abandoned every one of his kids. Tell me what it is in your Godless nation that would help prevent this from happening over and over again.

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Atheists are less likely to end up in jail. (Atheists comprise 15% of US population, however, only 1% of US Prison population are non-believers.) ;)

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ProLogos(2794) Disputed
2 points

Of course the percentage will be lower.... Fewer Atheists than believers =Fewer Atheists than believers that are in prison.

In no way does it indicate that Atheists are more or less prone to being imprisoned.

Side: True.
3 points

Greta job of not mentioning liberals for once!

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I like to spread the manure evenly ;)

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FromWithin(8239) Disputed
2 points

Sorry I messed up :) Let me remedy that oversight :) Liberals have that same attitude as Atheists who hate the very mention of moral values.

Ok, I feel better now.... thanks :)

Side: True.

Atheists live longer and happier, according to a 2009 poll conducted by Erasmus University Rotterdam. ;)

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ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

That's only because most atheist are smart. It's not because they're Atheist...

With the "evidence" you've given you should change the topic name to "High intelligence has many advantages over low intelligence."

Side: True.

Atheists have higher morality developmental growth. Famous American psychologist Lawrence Kohlberg writes that at moral development’s highest levels – moral judgments must be justified on rational moral grounds rather than by appeal to the order of nature or to religious authority or revelation. While Freud suggested that religion served to undermine moral responsibility while promoting fanaticism, he contended that people who behave morally only out of fear of a supernatural penalty, would be unlikely to respect and care for others from an altruistic perspective. ;)

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ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

You don't even understand what any of that means, you're just posting random stuff.

Side: True.
Atrag(5551) Clarified
2 points

I agree. Doing things that make you happy will never make you happy. Only living like FromWithin can make you happy. And I mean to say the 'true' type of happy. Not just the type of happy that FromWithin values to be false.

Side: True.
Saurbaby(5579) Clarified
2 points

But... it's so much fun!

Really though, I like how you are automatically assuming that anyone who isn't religious is either a dead-beat parent, a drug addict, an alcoholic, addicted to cigarettes, or broke beyond belief. How incredibly judgmental and NON-CHRISTIAN like of you.

I thought Christians were supposed to be nonjudgmental?

I know a lot of people who don't follow any Religion, and they're happy, successful people.

I also know a lot of Christians that are the most addicted people I know.

Go talk to some people that you wouldn't normally, and please educate yourself with real people.

Side: True.
FromWithin(8239) Clarified
1 point

Did I say non Christians would never be happy? NO! Did I say that Christians would never sin? NO! Why don't you try addressing the argument instead of making ludicrous remarks.

When I talk of dead beats, I could care less who or what they say they are, they are dead beats because of their selfish choices in life.

Atheists and Liberals deny that these selfish irresponsible choices in life are immoral. They hate the very word morals. In their insecure arrogant world, only they will indoctrinate the people with their politically correct moral laws. They want to control your minds & want no competition from God. To these control fanatics, it is immoral to become rich even though many of them are rich. To them you are immoral if you spank your children, or if you support gun rights, or if you are pro life or if you do not support Gay marriage, etc.

Every person in this world will have a different view of what is moral & what is not. This is why any intelligent nation understands, a higher power, a faith in something greater than man, is good for the people and the culture.

Obviously an evil religion would be disastrous for a nation. I'm not talking about such religions. I'm talking about this nation's Christian heritage and the wonderful values it has given to our land.

Without our Christian values, our freedoms & way of life will die as evident in our social distress. People such as yourself refuse to see what is happening in this nation. You keep thinking more money, more education will solve our issues. It is not a matter of money, it is a matter of self love & lack of moral values.

Side: True.
3 points

Religion is not bad. its people's perception of religion that has caused and created certain issues. Also, i personally believe that religion just isnt about following certain rules. Its a source of hope. believing in something is what gives meaning to life.

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I believe I'll have another beer ;)

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MuckaMcCaw(1968) Disputed
1 point

believing in something is what gives meaning to life.

But is it healthy, either personally or for society, to believe in unproven concepts just for the sake of believing. There are plenty of demonstrable phenomena in the world to hinge one's values and understandings on. And since these are things we can actually work with and manipulate, wouldn't they make more sense.

Side: True.
2 points

While there is a lot of things spattered about in the Christian religion here and there that I find stupid (such as the people who seem to believe the earth is 2000 years old, and other such bollocks) I find the idea of No God to be entirely depressing. When a loved one dies, we want to believe they are somewhere better. Most of us do anyway, and most of us also want to believe that there is something more in store for ourselves. Not to mention, all of this existence stuff, can't be entirely meaningless. None of us will know for sure who is right or wrong, until we're dead. If the atheists are right we still won't know, because we will zap out of existence and nothing will have mattered.

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Just because there might NOT be a God does NOT mean that there is no life after death. There may still be a life after death even in the absence of a God. ;)

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ProLogos(2794) Disputed
1 point

That doesn't make any sense.

Side: True.
Noxter(92) Disputed
1 point

All together there were about 100 000 000 000 of people who lived on Earth, however no one, not a single one ever made it back from the lala-land. So it is quite logical to say that there is no after life ....

Side: True.

OK..., just amuse me for a second...., if you died, and you realized that there is "life after death" and you could "fly" to any place in the universe in a matter of seconds...., would you spend one nano second trying to come back here? Just asking ;)

Side: True.
2 points

You just made my point so very clearly.... thank you!

My entire argument was about what happens to a nation when the moral values derived from their majority faith is separated & censored from our public.

I told you that man could never agree on what is moral or immoral and as always you told us how man is fully capable of living moral lives without any notions of moral values coming from a nation's Christian heritage.

You just stated "What EXACTLY is immoral about living together before marriage". This is a perfect example of what happens when a nation's moral values, derived from their majority faith, is over ridden by man's notions of moral values. Fifty years ago the moral values lifted up by society considered living together as being immoral because of all the harm done to the children.

With man's ideas of morality, that conflicted with how he wanted to selfishly live his life. He wanted no guilt nor shame from lifestyles of changing live in partners year after year. No shame of walking out on the children when the live in partner wanted to try someone new.

This is man's sense of morals. Whatever feels good, DO IT! Man wants no guilt placed on his head over his personal choices in life. You just made my point of how living together is not immoral in your mind. It is immoral in another's mind so who sets the moral road map for a nation? GET IT? Man will never agree on what is moral & immoral so here we are in this self love culture. We are sliding down that slippery slope of debauchery and people like you rationalize it away.

What's so sad is that you must get it, or you truly are missing a few arrows in that quiver. You just refuse to admit the simple truth as our nation's culture falls apart. You have been so conditioned by the Liberal media to fear our Christian heritage in this nation. Go ahead, bring up the dark ages one more pathetic time to try and scare people from the true Christian faith that teaches us all to love one another and care for one another including our children.

Soon a married family with children being raised by their actual mother and father will be the rare exception.

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FromWithin(8239) Clarified
2 points

Please before you tell me how you are not talking about children when you live with someone, what do you think happens with people living together? Quite often they get pregnant & have children! With no commitment to each other.

Side: True.
1 point

Oh your view on religion is borderline idiotic. The fact that you summed all religions into one category is ridiculous from the get go. Where to start..... 1. self immolation is practiced by so few religions it is practically non existent. The Tibetans are the only people who continually practice this so i'm not sure how you coupled this whole idea with religion in general. 2. Tithing is not a requirement "Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion" and many people in fact don't tithe. 3. Getting laid before marriage. I doubt many people follow this in whatever religion they practice, unless of course they practice there faith in a very very strong way, which today is not the case. 4. Gods name in vain? What kind of argument is this? This is just plain stupid. 5. Getting up on sunday and get dressed up? Again, invalid argument since you decided to sum religion into one group. All religions don't worship on sundays, nor get dressed up, nor go early. 6. Get home drunk and don't pray.... how many people do you think actually pray when they get home after a night of drinking? I can probably say not too many. 7. Not every religion fasts nor will you burn in hell for moral indiscretion as you call them.

Your argument is so opinionated that it deflates it. You say religion is bad because it forces you to do this and believe that, however, atheism itself forces you not to believe something. To not believe that there is a higher power than us is crazy to me (believe what you want) but this world didn't formulate out of thin air.

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