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If you intentionally give a child no hope, you are a cruel heartless bastard. Why would you have a kid just to teach them their is no purpose or meaning and that they may be dead in 20 years? It is mindless...
I, as an Atheist WOULD send my kids to church ... or at least not object to it. I would want them to make up their own minds! Unlike a Christian who would TAKE his kids to church to make certain they received proper indoctrination. I would tell them to listen and THINK, not take every word as ... um ... gospel!
Yeah, "Church leads to strong relationships you wouldn't get otherwise." Kind of like our Vice Prez who wont be in a room with another woman alone. It shows his fear of what might happen, his sick thoughts, it seems to me! His "relationship" to self control seems a bit shaky.
I have one "kid" that is a staunch Baptist, another that married and turned Catholic, two others that run closer to MY thoughts. All are "happy kids", if you can call 47 to nearly 60 "kids". I admit, one is not as happy because "Skydaddy" took away her husband of one year with cancer. Not very nice of him! Oh, and the other that skydaddy has blessed with cancer, (That's the Baptist, a "gift" from heaven for her "devotion", I guess.)
I made up my mind that skydaddy was a myth long ago because I could find NO evidence ... other than the written word of MAN ... still looking, still can't find anything that would give ME a "strong relationship" to church. Not even a weak one.
Kind of like our Vice Prez who wont be in a room with another woman alone
Sounds like a good way to prevent a false sexual harrassment suit to me. They seem prominant nowadays. It's good common sense. Why would he need to be one on one with a woman anyways?
I will totally agree with you on this, ..."IF YOU WILL AGREE THAT YOU DON"T KNOW ALL" ATHEISTS NOR ALL OF THEIR MOTIVES! YOU do what you are accusing ME of ("making an assumption and an emotional appeal"), with EVERY religious post you put out, very much including THIS one! Can we agree that this is the height of hypocrisy?? ;-)
Not really. I'm a troll. I do it on purpose to get to atheists, and I'm not a typical theist. I simply argue based on intellect with no desire to convert, and with no emotional attachment. I don't care if you are swayed or not. It's simply calculated assessments based on observation, logic, reason, and common sense.
children with no hope?? why can't they be happy? kids are gonna be happy whether there is god or not. isn't that obvious?? it is only when we become adults(teenage and later, once the brain is capable of thinking about issues such as this) that people actually start thinking about religion and god. in fact, kids who know that there's no skydaddy watching over them, would have an advantage of solely relying on themselves and their abilities, in turn, making them more successful since they believe they need to work, and for those moments when they actually feel bad and when people would generally pray or do things to get through, they would be doing things rationally to get them out of the situation, rather than just crying and whining.
we're all brought up with exposure to religion and god as kids, i don't disagree with that. none of the kids i know actually care about god and religion. they just care about whether they get to play enough, get enough candy and love from parents.
it is only when we become adults(teenage and later, once the brain is capable of thinking about issues such as this) that people actually start thinking about religion and god
I remember being a small child thinking about God.
oh so you were debating in your head about issues such as atheism? oh then it's just you mate, cuz all i knew was i had to pray and wish good things happen. if that's what you mean by thinking about god, sure, almost every single person would have. again, i think you didn't the context there, or just chose to ignore what it actually meant.
oh so you were debating in your head about issues such as atheism? oh then it's just you mate, cuz all i knew was i had to pray and wish good things happen
That just shows our differences and that you should listen to me rather than beating your head against a wall that leads you nowhere in the hierarchy of psychological needs.
sure mate, you could have the best logical mind out there, but not to forget, even great minds screw up, i'm here to change opinions, or at least make people to think the way i think for at least once. so it really doesn't matter to me whether you're einstein or tesla.
in fact, kids who know that there's no skydaddy watching over them, would have an advantage of solely relying on themselves and their abilities, in turn, making them more successful since they believe they need to work
1)I retired at age 38.
2)Then why is the secular left so convinced that the religious right and its rich religious capitalists are the scorge of the Earth?
wow, god gets you out of student loans..?????????how does praying have to relate with having student loans?? or should I just assume you don't get the context there?
No. God teaches to not be in debt to no man. Is it better to have a lucrative degree with student debt the rest of your life or work at a factory with no debt?
that is clearly not what we're talking about here, what i said was i wouldn't be crying god for help with everything in life, rather believe in myself and work to my abilities. well nobody asked you to not become successful enough to repay debt, and i've already mentioned about abilities here, the kind of person you are talking about is not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about the ideal kid, not fearing, not looking up to some imaginative being out of people's imagination centuries ago, solely knowing the world the way it is to him, and even if the man had a lot of debt to repay, praying god wouldn't change his bank balance.
Not really. It's basic psychology. Weak people suppress emotions and keep it inside. I fought in a war and had my legs blown off. YOU are tougher than me? Convince yourself.
of course, please keep in mind that i'm talking about an ideal case here, which i've already talked about, and i'd rather express my emotions to family than to someone i can't even see!! i'm not saying you have to use every tiny bit of emotion to your advantage, nevertheless, it should be aimed for..
dude xD family will be there. you can talk to parents, after them, your better half, your children, grandchildren. and for sure i'll be gone before my grand children do!!
wow, now you're making it a story.. nursing home, there will be friends, through similar stuff, they will be of great help. I will make friends eventually.
I seriously can't help that!!! I've seen stuff, that's how i'm confident. knowing in and out of your stuff is essential. many people have doubted me before, i still stand tall.
I seriously can't help that!!! I've seen stuff, that's how i'm confident. knowing in and out of your stuff is essential. many people have doubted me before, i still stand tall. this has gone way off- topic and doesn't even sound like a debate anymore, let's call it a day, will see you in another debate.
people believing in god or not, will have debts. and expecting to pay debts is common sense, i knew that before you mentioned about god mentioning about it. and so does any person with basic common sense.
I never took out a loan. I have 2 houses, 2 cars, a truck, a motorcycle, a boat, 2 ski dos, and 3 Golden retrievers. Why? I applied Biblical principles. Anything else?
lol i can tell all my assets and i haven't used the bible at all. and same here, not a single loan yet in my life. anyway, it was nice knowing you and what you've been through, it certainly adds up to insights to my life.
It's not easy to pay them off. I have a friend that spent $500 on a credit card and tried to keep up with it and bills. He kept paying and paying. Now the balance is $2,500 based on interest and penalties.
that's not my fault!!! i can't be held responsible for his abilities!! i'm pretty sure i'm quite calculative, i won't get into situations like that. not being cocky here, just my life till now speaking for itself.
And I made it clear that, that is way easier said than done of which you laughed, so either you are stupid or naive, possibly due to youth. Ask your parents or anyone with age on them about debt. No experienced adult thinks debt is funny. It destroys millions of lives.
wow!! now it's somehow my mistake of being young!!! it does destroy, i never said no. but i seriously believe it can be avoided. and btw, my parents have been my biggest mentors about finance! so technically, i have asked them. and i laughed for the way you put it, not because of what it is!! why? can't i have a laugh? for the way you expressed it, even though it wasn't intended humor, in my head, i imagined it to be funny, cuz i for sure am not listening, so i can imagine any voice any situation.. and humor is different for everyone my friend. Hope that sets things straight.
they would be doing things rationally to get them out of the situation, rather than just crying and whining
Yes, this was demonstrated when the secular left had a complete and epic meltdown when Donald Trump won, and the right went on without crying when Obama won.
It's like teaching about a magical nothing that manifested reality from its magical nothingness. Ofcourse that's a myth you tell children if you want them to have night terrors.
Or you could just read them the Bible. Either way. Personally, I wouldn't tell them that I know how the universe came into existence because I dont know. I would them though that the answer would certainly be more complex than "x did it".
There's the choice to openly decide that in 10-50 years you will cease to exist, life has no meaning or purpose, and to believe the same thing for your family and friends. That's not a very intellectual choice.
You don't know that it's false. You are making an emotional appeal rather than an intellectual appeal. If some supreme aliens came and could make your body immortal, you'd happily except it as fact. Deductive reasoning is your friend.
Nope. Instead, a God which would send someone to hell just because their parents did not teach them about a specific religion is who commits the child abuse.
What a refreshingly intelligent young girl. Accepting that there's no life after death may not be pretty (although personally I'm glad that there's no evidence for an omnipotent being who monitors your entire life 24-7 and who will never allow you to be truly alone) but it's far more intellectually honest than bringing a deity into the equation simply because you selfishly think that your life must have some special meaning to it.
What exactly your message means I have no idea, but I must say that I find it rather sad that you can't seem to find any meaning of your own in life and that you have to believe in a sky daddy in order to think that life is worth living. Not surprising, of course, but still sad.
Another ridiculously biased debate with biased answers. It's obvious you want to further your agenda but you may as well be less obvious about it.
I was raised as an atheist and to be honest, it was hardly ever something we talked about. It didn't bother me that there was most likely no afterlife; I accepted that happily, and was more concerned with getting as much out of my life before I died, since I couldn't guarantee I was going to be reincarnated, go to live in the clouds etc.
When my grandparents and people I knew died, I didn't need to be consoled with a story about how they were going to heaven. I accepted they were gone and was sad for a time, but it didn't depress me.
On the other hand, I know people who were raised in very religious households and were threatened with hell for their misbehaviour, or told their dead friends and relatives were going to hell. As someone who converted to Christianity in my mid-teens but later fell away from the faith, I understand very well how that can instil a huge amount of terror in someone (and I was 16/17, imagine what that does to a child of six or seven).
I think it's bad for a child to raise them in anything dogmatic. You can raise them as a Christian, an atheist, hell you can raise them to be Democrat or a UKIP supporter. But what is far more damaging to a kid is stunting their emotional and logical intelligence by not allowing them to question things.
When I argued the case for God's existence, I would be shut down and insulted by my family. That's bad. But most atheist families don't do this, just as most religious families are perfectly happy for their child to make their own choices, and are there just to guide.
lmao there's no way that atheism is child abuse. if it is, then religion should be considered child abuse too which it isn't. ridiculous. not believing in god is in no way abusive
Atheism is not believing in any mythology...it doesn't even assume that you teach your kids that there's no god. How can a stance on religion be child abuse?
Simple answer: It can't.
Now...teaching your child that you don't believe in a god? Why, that's almost as abusive as taking away their hope for Santa Claus!