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 Atheist shut the f**k up and listen, please and thank you... (56)

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Atheist shut the f**k up and listen, please and thank you...

When push comes to shove there is no debating whether or not people believe in a god, or not. People believe in all kinds of things, fairies, unicorns, santa claus, jesus christ, god, buddha, bhakta, fucking jiminy cricket, whatever. 

This desire to know, to feel, to see what has not been already known or sought is the inevitable value that curiousity brings to the table. So long as there is mystery, the human will flock and want to understand it. Are there not mysteries day in and day out since the beginning of OUR species? 

Can human beings ever truly know, feel, see ALL that which it seeks? Hell no, absolutely fucking not.

Some people believe that science or people can ultimately have every mystery, every "unknown" in science books one day, or discussed about at a local TED conference. This is ridiculous to believe that; this is human ego at its finest. 

This does NOT mean people should not desire these "truths" or "unknowns", and strive to learn and understand; intelligence, knowledge gained. 

The curiousity, the desire, the passion to want to believe in something that isn't right in front of our face, or taught to us in science books, or shown to us on the discovery channel, whatever, will never seize to exist; the drive will never go away, just like the desire for a human to survive, survial of the fittest, will never go away. 

Atheist I call out to you. Please do stop with your bickering and insults to those who believe, acting as bullies in the name of science. I do not care what you or anybody else believes in, and I accept what you believe in; people will believe in what they want, regardless. 

Atheists, when will you stop? When will you realize we (the "we" as in believers and non believers) should bind together, to come together science and religion/spirituality hand in hand, trying to figure this shit out together. Versus, "you're a fucking idiot for believing in X, Y, Z." This gets humanity no where. Obviously "religious people" have given itself a bad name from the extreme people; wars, anger, murder, ect. All in the name of their god? That makes all people who believe look insane for believing in the first place. There is good to believing in X, Y, Z god, it's not all ran by fucking power hungry people who brought wars because of different beliefs and systems. Religion and spirituality can be and is a good thing for people, its healthy, it's natural. Let it be. 


Accept that these beliefs will never go away as I've accepted there will always be people who will choose to not believe. Until then, progress will be hard to come by. 

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7 points

Mmm... the hypocrisy is strong with this one...

Seriously? You expect people to treat your beliefs with respect when you address them with "Shut the fuck up and listen"? No, it ain't happening sunshine.

In Westernised countries, religion is dying. Non-westernised countries will westernise soon. Then, religion will start to die in those countries too. Religion will be dead in 1000 years, just like alchemy and witchcraft.

Of course, your whole rant is based on the false premise that religion can actually contribute anything meaningful to the world. Scientists and theists can go hand in hand. Science and religion do not go hand in hand; for science is the antithesis of religion

And before certain users (I know who I'm expecting) start, the type of religion being referenced here is obvious. Organised monotheism like Christianity and Islam.

These religions find truth via faith. Faith has never been proven to discover any truths. Besides anecdotal claims, it is quite safe to say that faith never will discover any truths.

Science on the other hand, has been proven to discover innumerable truths. Your rant would not be possible without science.

As a result, faith (thus religion) is a hindrance to science, and while believers in both can work symbiotically, the two systems cannot work symbiotically.

I'm afraid then that your rant is ill founded. The quicker the world secularises, the quicker we as a race will make progress.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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I don't expect people to respect anything I've said with this post...

Which religion was I referencing? Which religion did I pin point? Monotheism? Dude, I named hinduism, buddhism, what the fuck are you talking about, is christianity the only religion you like to make fun of? lol cmon Chuck, try again...

My rant is possible because I am alive and can type and have a brain that is conscious, not because science has told me other wise. The better phrase would be "your rant would not be possible with society"...I agree with that.

I disagree completely, religion and science can work together, they're full of extremist people who call each other sides ignorant and foolish. The people are the problem not the fundamental beliefs as systems. Are you stating people will never see eye to eye? Perhaps there is truth in that, yet I still beg to differ. Humans are adaptable, moldable, most is possible.

Again, please excuse my words of "shut the fuck up and listen", are you sensitive to vulgar words? I'm sensitive to people calling my beliefs ignorant and foolish, fucking please...

Now my front is the whole site, amen and amen.

ChuckHades(3197) Disputed
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I don't expect people to respect anything I've said with this post...

I quote:

Atheist I call out to you. Please do stop with your bickering and insults to those who believe, acting as bullies in the name of science. I do not care what you or anybody else believes in, and I accept what you believe in; people will believe in what they want, regardless.

That to me, sounds like an appeal for respect.

Which religion was I referencing? Which religion did I pin point? Monotheism? Dude, I named hinduism, buddhism, what the fuck are you talking about, is christianity the only religion you like to make fun of? lol cmon Chuck, try again...

You referenced the following:

fairies, unicorns, santa claus, jesus christ, god, buddha, bhakta, fucking jiminy cricket, whatever.

Jesus Christ and God are the most prominent, and thus are the ones I chose to pinpoint. It's not worth my time repudiating fairies and unicorns.

However, if you wish for me to make fun of every religion, I shall.

My rant is possible because I am alive and can type and have a brain that is conscious, not because science has told me other wise. The better phrase would be "your rant would not be possible with society"...I agree with that.

Don't be coy, you know what I meant. Your computer is a product of science, the means of communication for your rant.

I disagree completely, religion and science can work together, they're full of extremist people who call each other sides ignorant and foolish.

There is no such thing as an extremist scientist. Definition of extremism from Wikipedia:

Extremism is any ideology or political act far outside the perceived political center of a society; or otherwise claimed to violate common moral standards. In democratic societies, individuals or groups that advocate the replacement of democracy with an authoritarian regime are usually considered to be extremists, in authoritarian societies the opposite typically applies.

Science is neither an ideology nor a political stance, and thus cannot have its practitioners labelled as extremists.

he people are the problem not the fundamental beliefs as systems. Are you stating people will never see eye to eye? Perhaps there is truth in that, yet I still beg to differ. Humans are adaptable, moldable, most is possible.

No, I'm stating that religion and science do not work together. Never will a religion provide us with an answer that science cannot give us. The religious work fine with scientists, but their beliefs do not.

Again, please excuse my words of "shut the fuck up and listen", are you sensitive to vulgar words? I'm sensitive to people calling my beliefs ignorant and foolish, fucking please...

You have one of the most bizarre personalities I have ever encountered.

It's like you're constantly on edge, on defense. Before anyone has responded to you, you're immediately using swear words (not that there's anything wrong with them) and sweeping diatribe against your opponents. Then, when you're questioned or brought up on it, you take this freakishly mellow position, and try and turn their noticing of your thinly veiled rage into some proof that they're the ones that are truly angry.

I don't know, perhaps someone with more psychological knowledge than myself can give me a proper term, but it's really weird.

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Everything I wanted to say and more, was said above. :)

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Uhhhh.... okaaayyyyy.... Damn! People have been going on some rants lately.... I think I'll post a rant of my own later. Everyone should do it! It'll be fun. ;)

PresChaffy(172) Disputed
2 points

Please be sensible, this is a serious debate. If you're not going to say something nice, it's best not to say something at all.

Hellno(17753) Disputed
2 points

Well, if that's the way you feel why don't you plagiarize it word for word and post it yourself? You know... like you did Akulakhan's debate... that way after I post something pointless on it, and I will, you can ban me. :)

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Do it Hellno, it's fucking awesome.

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No, Christianity and it's petty cohort religions must be removed! They strangle our progress into science and technology. They enforce their pathetic reules and morals onto each generation, bringing our children under their mind control.

America was founded on freedom and liberty, and we Americans must unite against the tyranny of religion. As Karl Marx said "religion is the opium of the people" it subdues them under the addictive illusion that doing good deeds gets you a place in some magical domain in the sky.

If we are to succeed in spearheading progress in this world, then we as a nation must unite and take arms to bring down the dictatorship that relgion has over our state.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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Once again, I generalize with your statements.

Your using the "bad" or "horrible" things that people do in the name of their god or religion and say all religion strangles this or that and must be removed.

What about the good religion does for mankind? Have you missed that? Have you encountered nothing but crazy extreme religious people?

Jungelson(3959) Disputed
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Hmmm, the renaissance, and...? Like saying "Wait, what's wrong with you all? Hitler was good. Sure, he caused the deaths of 60,000,000+ people, but oh well! He created motor ways, and Beatles!" No religion is Bad, it does about 99.34571984% bad things. When was the last headline news you saw on RT or BBC that was showing something Good a religious act did?! A long time if you ask me. All I see is Terrorism, Pedophiles, Lies e.t.c.

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Umm.. Screw you? No, I don't want to believe in your fucking religions for Christs sake they've only caused war and destruction, hypocrisy and pain. Through out man kind there have been religious disputes ending in, over time, hundreds of millions of deaths. "Yay, our crops failed, lets sacrifice a few thousand people." "Hey, I don't like your beliefs, i'll fly some planes in to your buildings!" "Don't follow my religion? I'll invade your country and prolong the war for decades to come!" All for religion. And, for what?! Just so a bunch of old biddies can have something to comfort them whilst they're waiting to die. You're anti sex, you're anti gay, you're anti other religions, you're anti humanity for fucks sake.

Now sunshine, if you want to go around telling people the things you believe, and that it's what you think, go ahead by all means. But don't come on to this website, tell the atheists to shut the fuck up, then expect them to convert to your messed up views. GROW UP AND STOP BELIEVING IN MAGIC.

There's nothing wrong with atheists accepting religion when religious beliefs don't harm anyone.

They also, on the other hand, have the moral high ground to get pissed off and militant when some religious extremist shoots a little girl in the head for wanting to go to school.

You're right to want them to accept your good side. What you seem to ignore in your statement is all the bad that comes from religion.

War comes from greed and belief. War has never been fought over science. Never once has someone declared war because a country favored quantum mechanics over their enemies that favored general relativity.

It's true that not all religious people are evil; this is obvious. Nobody, whether you follow science or believe in a religion, should ever make sweeping generalizations about any group of people. But just as atheists cannot simply make a generalization about you (that you are a foolish zealot), you cannot make a generalization about an atheist (that they are an immoral, jerkish sod).

If you want to bring people together, you cannot antagonize the people that are different from you simply because you are too ignorant to understand that not all of them are jerks, or better, that they are simply jerks for no good reason.

Since you do not understand this, your topic to bring people together failed with the title and went downhill with you making general presumptions about atheists.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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I did generalize atheists, as you generalized me calling me a foolish zealot and that I am ignorant. Ignorance seems to be atheists favorite word to use, again another generalization, whoops my bad. Like I said, the bickering continues..

chatturgha(1631) Disputed
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I didn't call you a foolish zealot. I was speaking hypothetically in terms of an atheist calling you such. I called you ignorant because you are ignorant; I was not making a generalization, I was calling you for what you are.

Also, I am not an atheist. Though I can't tell if you were calling me one or not.

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When push comes to shove there is no debating whether or not people believe in a god, or not. People believe in all kinds of things, fairies, unicorns, santa claus, jesus christ, god, buddha, bhakta, fucking jiminy cricket, whatever.

Believing in something doesn't make it true.

This desire to know, to feel, to see what has not been already known or sought is the inevitable value that curiousity brings to the table. So long as there is mystery, the human will flock and want to understand it. Are there not mysteries day in and day out since the beginning of OUR species?

Yes, and science attempts to explain natural phemonea rationally, rather than religion.

Can human beings ever truly know, feel, see ALL that which it seeks? Hell no, absolutely fucking not.

Theoritically, the human race will, eventually. If we survive long enough, that is.

Some people believe that science or people can ultimately have every mystery, every "unknown" in science books one day, or discussed about at a local TED conference. This is ridiculous to believe that; this is human ego at its finest.

Not really. Science is SO, so young and look at all the things it has explained already. Continual increase of knowledge and understanding will happen.

This does NOT mean people should not desire these "truths" or "unknowns", and strive to learn and understand; intelligence, knowledge gained.

Of course not.

The curiousity, the desire, the passion to want to believe in something that isn't right in front of our face, or taught to us in science books, or shown to us on the discovery channel, whatever, will never seize to exist; the drive will never go away, just like the desire for a human to survive, survial of the fittest, will never go away.

What? I'll admit, currently we know relatively little, but that does not make religion true.

Atheist I call out to you. Please do stop with your bickering and insults to those who believe, acting as bullies in the name of science. I do not care what you or anybody else believes in, and I accept what you believe in; people will believe in what they want, regardless.

Again, believing in something does not make it true. Why should I not try to sway opinions of religious people/s when there is no evidence to back religion up?

Atheists, when will you stop? When will you realize we (the "we" as in believers and non believers) should bind together, to come together science and religion/spirituality hand in hand, trying to figure this shit out together. Versus, "you're a fucking idiot for believing in X, Y, Z." This gets humanity no where. Obviously "religious people" have given itself a bad name from the extreme people; wars, anger, murder, ect. All in the name of their god? That makes all people who believe look insane for believing in the first place. There is good to believing in X, Y, Z god, it's not all ran by fucking power hungry people who brought wars because of different beliefs and systems. Religion and spirituality can be and is a good thing for people, its healthy, it's natural. Let it be.

Eh, science and religion are near polar opposites.

Accept that these beliefs will never go away as I've accepted there will always be people who will choose to not believe. Until then, progress will be hard to come by.

Actually, I'd imagine, as we progress and gain knowledge, religion and theism will decline, as we will begin to gain a more acute understanding.

Lynaldea(1231) Disputed
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Science is young? What did the mayans do, pull things out of their asses?

What did the Sumerians use?

This is laughable to say "science is young". The better phrase would be "modern science is young", not "science is young". Try again..

Here is my rebuttal.

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I laugh, I kid, I laugh...

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your right people do target Christians and they always make fun of them it funny how atheist dint believe in smithies that created and i do respect other religion