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Interesting But Mein Alien
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Atheists, Consider This

Before any of you start, I'm not religious in the slightest. Most of you here know that.

Darwin explained the how of evolution, but he did not explain the why. Do any of you not find it strange that life alters its own design to help it survive? Because I do. I find it very strange. Why should life want to survive? Surely that implies some kind of purpose? 

Put aside personal bias and think about it. A completely neutral universe. One which is indifferent to whether there is life or not. Of all the instincts life could be imbued with, why would it be the instinct to survive?

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I think this question is a very good one, I think this article might just expand on your question and may give answers. (https://phys.org/news/2008-12-life.html)

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BurritoLunch(6607) Clarified
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The only 'why' answer I can only come up with is, "It could, and it did."

Sounds like the anthropic principle. It's a valid argument but I'm not buying into it.

Life COULD have had the survival instinct to SURVIVE, and it did.

It would be a lot easier to explain if life had begun somewhere else and evolved traits like survival instinct and basic reproduction somewhere else first. I suspect that evolution works exponentially. That is, the more evolved an organism is, the faster it experiences evolutionary change. So not only is the conundrum of how life survived absent any instinct for survival a problem, but so is how it developed these changes so quickly given that life has been here for almost as long as the planet itself has.

My guess would be Mars. It's older than Earth, and there are signs that it was once a very different planet, and quite possibly home to early forms of life. In fact, when I was very young I remember watching the news one day and NASA announced they had found fossilised Martian bacteria in a rock which landed on Earth. I think the rock's origin was disputed by others, but as far as I'm aware there has never been a definitive answer on it one way or the other.

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Keal192NXQ2(70) Clarified
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Agreed.

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SexNoodle(37) Banned
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The answer to this is actually quite elementary. A survival instinct is extremely helpful to survival, and not having one is directly detrimental to survival, therefore lifeforms with a survival instinct tend to survive (and therefore exist) more than the ones without. Hence, it is a given that most life in the universe probably develops a survival instinct or dies out. Due to the extreme obviousness of this, one could also safely assume that you are retarded in all likelihood.

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BurritoLunch(6607) Clarified
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The answer to this is actually quite elementary. A survival instinct is extremely helpful to survival, and not having one is directly detrimental to survival, therefore lifeforms with a survival instinct tend to survive (and therefore exist) more than the ones without.

Lol. You stupid, stupid boy. If life was ever at a stage where it did not have a survival instinct then it obviously could not have survived long enough to evolve that survival instinct, so you are using textbook circular reasoning.

You want us to believe life survived for any length of time without the survival instinct necessary to make it survive? 😆

We are talking about the very first microbe here. How did a suicidal microbe survive the searing temperatures of the early Earth without enough sentience to even know it wanted to survive?

As per usual, you're being an idiot, so you're getting banned.

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Life does not alter its form to help it survive. Genetic mutations are random. Relatively advantageous mutations are selected in, mutations that are not overly disadvantageous might persist or go away, and relatively disadvantageous mutations are selected out. The process isn't purposive.

Life is not necessarily imbued with an instinct to survive. There are lives which terminate themselves, suicide being the most obvious. That most life has an instinct to survive is just a consequence of life without that instinct being rapidly selected out of the gene pool.

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Life does not alter its form to help it survive.

Yes it does though. Sorry about that.

Genetic mutations are random.

But the ones which are retained aren't random. The ones which are retained are the ones which help life survive. Hence, life alters its form to help it survive.

There, that was easy. Once we'd thrown away your red herring about random mutations.

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