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Atheists: Please pick my thinking apart on this

God: A socially developed personality complex that manifests as a seemingly distinct being within the mind of a human.

 

Theist: One who worships one or more gods

 

Worship: Trust as infallible

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God

I'm fine with pretty much any definition of "god" depending on the context of the discussion, so I don't disagree with yours. I think even religious people would accept your definition as long as they didn't get hung up on the crude phrasing. To pick apart your thinking, I'd need to know when you would offer this definition.

Theist

A theist simply acknowledges the existence of one or more gods. If worship were required of a theist, the atheist population would skyrocket.

Worship

Again, this sort of depends on context, i.e. what you're trying to elicit from whom, but I think the dictionary definition should always be more than serviceable: to feel an adoring reverence or regard for (any person or thing).

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Welcome to CreateDebate!

To pick apart your thinking, I'd need to know when you would offer this definition.

It supposed to be a realistic description of god. Made by an unorthodox atheist, that calls into question "lack of belief in god" as a rational justification for identifying as atheist.

A theist simply acknowledges the existence of one or more gods.

I understand that this is the common understanding among most people. I have a minority opinion. I think we can recognize gods for what they are, not worship them and justify atheism by lack of worship of gods rather than lack of belief in gods.

If worship were required of a theist, the atheist population would skyrocket.

According to your idea of what worship is this may be true. Can you, without aplying an ad-populum fallacy argue that my understanding of worship is somehow less correct than yours?

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Thank you kindly.

Can you, without aplying an ad-populum fallacy argue that my understanding of worship is somehow less correct than yours?

Not by itself, no, but as it relates to atheism, I believe so. To say that it's possible to be an atheist if one recognizes the existence of gods but doesn't trust them as infallible, means that it's possible to be an atheist that recognizes the existence of gods and trust them as only slightly less than infallible.

Imagine someone said, "I believe in, love, and revere the Christian God, but ever since (insert tragedy), I no longer trust him as infallible." Could you actually say that that person is an atheist?

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God: A socially developed personality complex that manifests as a seemingly distinct being within the mind of a human.

This could be one definition of god among many, though I am not entirely certain what you mean by it.

Theist: One who worships one or more gods

I would contend that worship is unnecessary, though belief is.

Worship: Trust as infallible

That would depend upon the theist and the particular god(s) they believe in. Not all iterations of god construe the entity as infallible.

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A socially developed personality complex that manifests as a seemingly distinct being within the mind of a human.

The problem I have with this definition is that it is only thought based and would eliminate an actual God from existing. I personally feel that the definition is accurate, but there is no way to confirm that God only manifests in the mind.

I go with google definitions...

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Worship: Trust as infallible

This definition seems odd to me. "In church, I worship God". "I worship God on a daily basis". Worship is often an activity of reverence or prayer.

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Without any research; the definition of Worship: Trust as infallible, does not feel accurate.