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Atheists and agnostics.. do you believe The Truth exists?
The Truth Is
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Yet if you do make prayers, they do exist in Truth and are thus known to Truth. So your prayers, answered or not, are "heard" by The Truth". Yet at the same time, belief in The Truth doesn't imply that you believe in prayer at all. You don't believe in prayer, but you do believe The Truth, yet I am sure that if you ask The Truth to answer your questions at least some of these questions eventually become answered. It is written that God gives The Holy Spirit to those who ask, and The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of Truth. It is not said in vain, if The Truth is what you love above all else, God will lead you and chasten you as a father chastens a son. Side: The Truth Is
The Truth is The Truth. It is what it is. I see that you presume to know whether or not The Truth is self aware or conscious however, and have opinions based on that. It looks to me like you are grappling with superstitions. I don't know what to tell you. I'm talking about The Truth. Understanding of The Truth is not the same as The Truth in Actuality. Side: The Truth Is
The Truth. Which by the way is what "God" is. Yes, The Truth is God. Thats what the concept of God means, so abandoning it or being uncertain of its existence isn't useful, it's superstitious. Believing that The Truth exists does not imply religious affiliation, nor does it imply that you believe what people say about it. Side: The Truth Is
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I think you are trying to make a metaphor out of God, which is actually encouraging. It implies that you aren't quite crazy enough to believe there is literally an omnipotent sky fairy watching your every move as if it is somehow important, but it also implies that you aren't quite sane enough to drop the idea completely. Truth does not need to be God in order to be truth. God is a completely unnecessary component to the analysis and definition of truth, and Occam's Razor stipulates there is therefore no need to include him in either. Side: The Truth Is
That is what God means, and if you aren't able to get that through studying scripture, in no uncertain terms is this made clear by highly venerated theologians such as Augustine. Calling God anything other than The Truth is clearly superstition, and an error so catastrophic as to equate God with anything else is bound to lead to a perverse understanding of the divine and writings about the divine. So no, I don't think it is beneficial to redefine God to satisfy aversion. I do know that even God deniers can see how arguing against truth is foolish and self defeating. Yet, this is what God means. Side: The Truth Is
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The scripture is a created thing, but God is not a created thing. Of course he is. Don't be ridiculous. God was created by man. The animals don't worship God. Man worships God, because God was man's idea. Scripture testifies of God. Then it committed perjury when it claimed he created Adam and Eve and put them in a garden called Eden. If scripture testifies of God then you must agree with the scripture when it claims God wants to kill homosexuals, fortune tellers, impertinent children and non-believers? The Truth is God. No, the truth is you are mentally ill. Side: The Truth Is
Man did not create The Truth, The Truth has always been. Whether or not animals worship it, The Truth exists. I do not deny The Truth. The Truth is my God. If you are going to dispute whether I am talking about The Truth when I say God, I would say you are arguing from a position of ignorance. That is what the word means, and besides having thousands of years worth of theology to back me up, the dictionary even confirms what I am saying. If you are disputing the authority of the dictionary when it comes to the defining of terms, what source is there that we have in common? The Truth is God. If you acknowledge The Truth, you acknowledge my God whether or not you personally acknowledge The Truth as being God. And if you acknowledge The Truth, but refuse to accept it as God, you have fulfilled the scripture which states... "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." Side: The Truth Is
Nothing could exist unless it exists in Truth, so God is clearly omnipotent, that is, the source of all influence, and thus the creator of all things. The Truth is the highest good, and all good things come from The Truth. God is clearly omnibenevolent, the source of all good. So yes, I believe The Truth meets this criteria. Side: The Truth Is
"Nothing could exist unless it exists in Truth, so God is clearly omnipotent, that is, the source of all influence, and thus the creator of all things." Could you explain this reasoning more clearly? I don't see how the it follows that God is clearly omnipotent if nothing could exists unless it exists in truth. "The Truth is the highest good, and all good things come from The Truth. God is clearly omnibenevolent, the source of all good." Why do you say that the truth is the highest good? Can this "Truth" hear people's prayers? Side: The Truth Is
If something exists, it means that it is true that something exists. If there is truth, The Truth is in it. In fact, if a truth dies, The Truth doesn't die. The Truth is behind all influence, which is what "omnipotent" means, as anything that has existence does so by The Truth. The Truth is the highest good, because without truth there is no good, and without truth the world wouldn't exist. If there is any good at all, it comes from God. In The Truth us life. The end result of falsehood is death. If you turn your heart towards The Truth and ask for The Spirit of Truth, you will be get what you ask for. If you do not get what you ask for, it is because you ask amiss in order to satisfy your lusts. The Truth is greater than all these things of the temporal world, and only abiding in Truth is their any true satisfaction. There is nothing better to set your heart towards. The Way, The Truth, The Life. In this, there is a peace that surpasses all understanding. Side: The Truth Is
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I’m delighted to see that you desire others to see the truth as your loving god sees it and as you will agree is based on the beautiful words of the splendid Bible ....... So why don’t you spread the word and maybe stone to death all the virgins in your country ......wait are there any left ? "But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die: because she hath wrought folly in Israel, to play the whore in her father's house: so shalt thou put evil away from among you." (Deuteronomy 22: 20-21) Tell your neighbors if any of their children are bastards the lord detests them ..... "A bitched shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the Lord." (Deuteronomy 23:2) If you’re married and your wife defends you in a quarrel please chop her hand off as god as the lord recommends...... "When men strive together one with another, and the wife of the one draweth near for to deliver her husband out of the hand of him that smiteth him, and putteth forth her hand, and taketh him by the secrets: Then thou shalt cut off her hand, thine eye shall not pity her." (Deuteronomy 25:11-12) Tell the local men that If any of them have crushed balls the lord doesn’t want to hang out with them ..... "He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the Lord."(Deuteronomy 23:1) Tell all the local handicap and afflicted locals the lord hates them .... "For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken. No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the Lord made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God." (Leviticus 21:18-21) Finally if your brothers wife dies you really gotta bang the fuck out of her as the lord recommends..... "Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother." (Mark 12:19) Isn’t gods truth wonderful? Side: There is no truth
I said the bible testified of The Truth, which I certainly believe, but that isn't what this topic is about. There are plenty of people who believe in the existence of The Truth who have never touched a bible. The topic here is not the bible. Do you believe The Truth exists? Side: The Truth Is
I said the bible testified of The Truth, which I certainly believe, Yes I’ve no doubt you do but I dispute that but that isn't what this topic is about. Fair enough then There are plenty of people who believe in the existence of The Truth who have never touched a bible. I’m sure there are The topic here is not the bible. Fine Do you believe The Truth exists? Define truth please ? Side: There is no truth
Right you are. The Truth is that eternal unchanging truth that by necessity be in all things that are true. As an example, it is true that a man is living. After that man dies, it is no longer true that the man is living. So this truth that the man lives is temporary. So while this truth dies, The Truth does not die, The Truth will always be. Do you understand what I mean when I say The Truth? Side: The Truth Is
If you believe truth, you certainly believe there is truth to the truth or that the truth exists, so I think the question has been answered. But for the sake of simplicity and clarity, and forgive the redundancy, as you may feel you have already answered this question.. You are saying that you believe truth, correct? Side: The Truth Is
That is exactly what I have already done No you haven’t , show me where you directly answered what I asked . My simpler question is a clarified question, It’s not as you still have not answered what you said as you put it not a different question. It is otherwise I wouldn’t be pointing it out So really, I have been waiting for you to answer the question so we can move Not true , you’ve avoided answering what you’ve stated by attempting to re -word the statement you cannot defend Here is what you actually said ......Do you believe "That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality" exists? Here is what I asked you too answer 7 times now ..... what do you mean “exists” when related to a fact ? Side: There is no truth
What does exist mean? To have actual being to be real. So how is a fact “ real “ ? All these words are synonyms, so this semantic dance is unnecessary. They’re not otherwise you wouldn’t have taken so many posts to try and re -state your position , I’m not doing a “semantic” dance I asked you to clarify what you meant I'm not asking you if you know truth. I'm asking you if you believe there is truth. So do you believe there is truth? Yes I believe there is truth Side: There is no truth
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If 9 11 was an inside job, that means it is no longer an inside job, and thus not eternal. You switched the subject and the predicate halfway through your sentence. 9/11 is no longer an inside job because it is no longer happening. The truth that 9/11 was an inside job is eternal. You talk endlessly about truth but the first thing you do when you read an inconvenient one is use a fallacy. Side: There is no truth
Exist means "to have objective reality or being." If a fact doesn't have objective reality or being, it is not a fact which is "A thing that is known or proven to be true". So in the very specific context of a fact that exists, that means "A true thing that has objective reality or being." However, when I am speaking about truth I am moreso talking about reality than fact, as reality is not contingent on knowing. Knowing requires a knower. Nor is reality contingent on being proven, which requires that someone is convinced. The definition you provided me says reality or fact. That said, I hope we can at least both agree that reality is a fact. So do you believe that truth exists? Side: The Truth Is
Your thoughts appear only to you, and are not being heard by anyone else whatsoever. There is one physical world here on earth, but billions of different internal worlds A fact is a reality that cannot be logically disputed or rejected . Truths are those things that are not simply acknowledged, but must be discovered, or created. If I say "God exists," and I possess strong reasoning for the affirmative of that statement, then God really does exist, that is a reality. However, if another individual possesses strong reasoning for the negative, and because of this reasoning they believe that God does not exist , that is a reality . I may persuade you god does not exist so what was once true for you is not so anymore and your new truth and reality is god does not exist . Truth for me may not be truth for you and vice versa and what societies hold as truths like morality is ever evolving and changing , take slavery for example previous generations believed black people were merely beasts this was accepted as a common truth , now it's seen as the total opposite. I have my truth you have yours as in I have my reality you have yours Side: There is no truth
You can't persuade me that my God doesn't exist as my God is literally The Truth. There are many realities, certainly, but The Ultimate Reality is necessary for these realities to exist. Augustine wrote in his book on true religion, and I agree "Everyone who knows he has doubts knows with certainty something that is true, namely that he has doubts. He is certain about a truth. Everyone who doubts whether there be such a thing as The Truth has at least a truth to set a limit to his doubt; and nothing can be true except truth be in it. Accordingly, no one ought to have doubts about the existence of The Truth, even if doubts arise from every possible quarter... ..Reasoning does not create truth, it discovers it. Before it is discovered, it abides in itself; and when it is discovered it renews us." The Truth exists, that is, God exists whether or not either of us believe so. God's existence is not contingent on our belief. The Truth is not contingent on our belief. Side: The Truth Is
You can't persuade me that my God doesn't exist as my God is literally The Truth. The truth for you yes for me no There are many realities, certainly, but The Ultimate Reality is necessary for these realities to exist. Ultimate reality ? Do explain Augustine wrote in his book on true religion, and I agree "Everyone who knows he has doubts knows with certainty something that is true, namely that he has doubts. He is certain about a truth. Everyone who doubts whether there be such a thing as The Truth has at least a truth to set a limit to his doubt; and nothing can be true except truth be in it. Accordingly, no one ought to have doubts about the existence of The Truth, even if doubts arise from every possible quarter... That makes little sense like so as I said earlier people used to believe blacks were inferior it was accepted as a truth so is it true ? ..Reasoning does not create truth, it discovers it. Before it is discovered, it abides in itself; and when it is discovered it renews us." The Truth exists, that is, God exists whether or not either of us believe so. God's existence is not contingent on our belief. The Truth is not contingent on our belief. Prove your god exists instead of printing off a load of Deepak Chopra style gobblygook Side: There is no truth
I don't need to prove my God, you already admitted to believing truth. There is no truth unless The Truth is in it. If you don't believe The Truth exists, your argument against it amounts to little more than rhetoric, because this is clearly a foolish position to take. If you are arguing against The Truth, you are effectively undermining your entire argument, because if there is no truth, your argument isn't true. Side: The Truth Is
If you die and your reality ceases to be, does reality cease to be? If everyone on the entire planet was wiped away, does reality cease to be? If all life in the universe ceased, would their still be reality? There is reality as you see, understand, or experience it, and then there is reality as it is. Do you believe that there is reality as it is? It looks to me that you already have opinions about reality as it is. Side: The Truth Is
If you die and your reality ceases to be, does reality cease to be? For me yes If everyone on the entire planet was wiped away, does reality cease to be? For them yes If all life in the universe ceased, would their still be reality? For me no There is reality as you see, understand, or experience it, and then there is reality as it is. What is reality as it is ? Do you believe that there is reality as it is? I believe reality as I perceive it It looks to me that you already have opinions about reality as it is. Don’t we all ? Side: There is no truth
Do you see how reality as you perceive it does not always line up with reality as it is? What is reality “as is “ ? Have you ever been mistaken or surprised? Have you ever been wrong? Yes I was surprised at a brilliant variation on a chess move , I once mistook a cat for a dog I’m still not sure if I was right or wrong Side: There is no truth
Reality as it is. That means reality minus you as a filter. The reason you were surprised by a brilliant chess move or mistook a cat for a dog has to do with the fact that there is a difference between reality as we see it and reality as it is. If you are ever wrong, which certainly you are if you are human, this is proof that there is a difference between truth and truth as we think it is. So when it comes to reality as it is, it would be a mistake for me to say anything other than it is what it is, but you can at least see it is there by seeing it as being different than what you perceive it to be. Side: The Truth Is
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Apparently, you don't know the meaning of Christianity and Judaism. Blessed ignorance, you never disappoint.😎😂 Apparently you failed your exams in Ghana so your “opinions “ on such matters are those of an ignoramus from a third world shit -hole and fairly typical really Side: There is no truth
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Truth in what, Truth in Lending? There is an Act just for that occasion: Side: The Truth Is
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If you drank a beer on Monday and there is actual, dated, footage, then it is a fact. If you drank a beer on Monday and there is no footage, then it may be true but it does not carry as much weight as a verifiable fact. Do you not agree that the actual, dated, footage makes it a more verifiable fact than if there weren't any footage? ;) Side: The Truth Is
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Facts are verifiable. For example, the Earth is round. That's false. The Earth is an oblate spheroid. It is fatter at the equator and hence is not fully spherical. Note also that spherical is the correct term when in 3D. Round is an adjective pertaining to 2D. Side: The Truth Is
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Round is not exclusive to 2D. Yes it is. Specialists might define round as only applying to two-dimensional objects https://english.stackexchange.com/ Consider me a specialist. You need only google the definition. I don't need to Google the definition. Round means circular, and circles exist in 2 dimensions. When you go around something what do you do? Do you traverse it in a circle or do you traverse it in a sphere? If King Arthur's round table had been a sphere I imagine it would have made meetings quite difficult. Side: The Truth Is
Your link doesn't really support your argument, and considering that the guy was using the word in everyday language, it should be interpreted that way, not in a strict mathematical way. "I don't need to Google the definition. Round means circular, and circles exist in 2 dimensions. When you go around something what do you do? Do you traverse it in a circle or do you traverse it in a sphere? If King Arthur's round table had been a sphere I imagine it would have made meetings quite difficult." The context of the usage of the word matters, none of that proves the word round is exclusive to 2D objects. Words can have multiple meanings. Side: There is no truth
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You cannot say anything is true without verifiable evidence solidifying that truth. So, as far as your example goes, it is possible that you did not drink a beer on Monday. That is called a theory. If the bar was empty and the only person in the bar was you, without any staff, then there's no way to verify your theory. So, it would not be a truth. In that way, truth and fact are one in the same. Side: The Truth Is
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It is what it is. The Supreme Being It is God. And surely there is nothing more worthy to be called God than The Truth. And even if I stood alone, I would declare without a shred of doubt that The Truth is my God, the one true God, and there is nothing else worthy of such veneration. But I do not stand alone, this is what monotheism means. The Truth is God. Side: The Truth Is
What proof do you need for what? I quoted Augustine for you, I've got quite a bit of his works, and on multiple occasions he directly identifies God as "The Truth". Besides that there is scripture, there is plenty there. Besides that there is the dictionary. Besides that there are many writings outside of the christian tradition even. Islamac source, Hindu sources... But of course nothing is actually proof if you have it in your mind to reject this. But you at least have one witness. The Truth is my God. Even if you don't recognize The Truth as being God, do you believe The Truth? Side: The Truth Is
What proof do you need for what? A god proof would do it I quoted Augustine for you, I've got quite a bit of his works, and on multiple occasions he directly identifies God as "The Truth". I can quote Hitchens or Dawkins , so what ? Besides that there is scripture, there is plenty there. Yes indeed there's also a talking serpent and a talking ass in the bible , your point is ? Besides that there is the dictionary. Yes which defines the word truth and? Besides that there are many writings outside of the christian tradition even. Islamac source, Hindu sources... But I dont believe any of that bullshit , so tell me do you also believe in all the Hindu gods as well and Allah ? But of course nothing is actually proof if you have it in your mind to reject this. Yes I have a skill for rejecting nonsense But you at least have one witness. The Truth is my God. Even if you don't recognize The Truth as being God, do you believe The Truth? Sure I recognise my truth Side: There is no truth
Your truth will die with you, but if there is any truth at all to your truth, it is because The Truth is in it. The Truth is eternal. Your truth will pass away. If you don't acknowledge the truth that is greater than your truth, it sounds to me as if what you are doing is indistinguishable from taking yourself as god. Side: The Truth Is
Your truth will die with you, but if there is any truth at all to your truth, it is because The Truth is in it. The Truth is eternal. Your truth will pass away. If you don't acknowledge the truth that is greater than your truth, it sounds to me as if what you are doing is indistinguishable from taking yourself as god. You’re making no sense at all you base your truths on nonsense but at least you seem happpy in your delusion Side: There is no truth
It is nonsense to you because you can't make sense of it. What is nonsense to you is not nonsense to me. You do after all say I have my truth, and you have your truth. If you deny The Truth, which is greater than your personal truth or my personal truth, it stands to reason that you lack good sense. But of course, you wouldn't be so foolish as to deny truth greater than your truth? You are of course, a man of reason who doesn't hold the truth in arbitrariness, right? Side: The Truth Is
If I said, "The sky is blue", a blind person could say, "that makes no sense" If I said, "the number 5 comes after 4" a mathematical fool might say, "that makes no sense." You saying I make no sense is not an argument. You are only saying that you can't make sense of what I am saying. So what exactly are you having trouble comprehending? What do you find confusing about what I just said? Side: The Truth Is
As Lewis taught us in a classic series of articles, few analytic philosophers have ever denied that on the standard Kripkean modal semantics If sensory experience is veridical, we must posit that intuitively , it seems obvious that it is a consequence of proper functionalism that is uniquely puzzling for direct reference theorists that incredulous stare is the only response we can give to the thesis as given Side: There is no truth
That certainly appears to be nonsense to me, but I know that things are not always how they seem. Your lack of education is hardly my fault There is a difference between saying "that is nonsense" and saying "that looks like nonsense to me". There is a difference between saying you’re an idiot than saying you look like an idiot Side: There is no truth
Well, you are asking for proof of the existence of The Truth which in itself is evidence that you believe in truth. If you actually believe in truth, you by necessity believe in The Truth, because if The Truth doesn't exist, there can be no truth. So really it looks to me like you are having a hard time admitting that you actually do believe The Truth exists. Side: The Truth Is
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There are a lot of claims/beliefs about the God that are not true. To say The Truth is God doesn’t provide any actual truth value for any subsequent claim about God, as those are merely “your truths”. You can say a true thing, such as “the moon revolves around the sun”. You could then add “that is true, thus it is god”, but this only adds confusion to the subject, and detracts from the truth of things. Side: There is no truth
This is what God means, it is the identity of God. It is even The Name of God. See, God isn't a truth, God is The Truth. What do you think Supreme Being means? So after we have that firmly established, any claims about God from that point on must be intrinsic to what that means. For example, God is eternal. The Truth always was, always is, always will be, and cannot die. God created all things. Something that exists can only exist in truth, it must truly exist. If therebis any truth, Then The Truth must be in it. Etc. The point of religion is not to come to a perfect understanding of God. That is impossible. The point of religion is relationship with God. You will have more effectice relationship with God if you recognize God as being The Truth. Recognizing who God is, it is clearly better to have a good relationship with The Truth than a bad one. The Truth is God. Not a truth, The Truth. That is the focus of good religion. Bad religion has the focus on created things. These are idols before God. Before people get to true religion they have to find it through creation. Even after finding it, we practice true religion in creation. But the focus is The Truth, which is The Uncreared Creator of all things. Side: The Truth Is
God is The Truth. You don’t seem to understand that this is not the same as saying “The Truth is God”. What do you think Supreme Being means? More than “The Truth”. any claims about God from that point on must be intrinsic to what that means. It does not follow that one can claim that The Truth is God to thereby transform all of ones statements about God into truth. Side: There is no truth
The Truth is God. That is exactly what I mean. I'm not saying all statements about God are transformed into truth. I agree with you, that is silly. People say an awful lot of things about God that are not true. But whatever is true has God in it, because God is The Truth, and there are no true things unless there is Truth. Supreme Being means "greatest absolute existence". It is the same as saying "The Ultimate reality" or "The Supreme Reality". And I know this because this is what Christian theology teaches, but believing that The Truth is God does not imply you believe Christianity. How xan you, after all, believe in something that you understand to be false? Well, I am being honest when I say that we as human beings do not always understand things correctly. Admitting sin is to admit that we aren't always right. I know I am always wrong, but I know God is always right, because God by definition is right. I confess my sins, and point to God. The Truth is God, so understand that disbelief in the existence of God or even doubt in the existence of God is superstition. If you believe in existence at all, you believe The Truth exists. Side: The Truth Is
Science is knowledge. Truth is greater than knowledge. That said, those who love truth tend to love knowledge as well. What you know of about The Truth and Truth itself are different things. Even scientific discoveries are revelations, and just because someone else has knowledge and wrote about it doesn't mean that you know as well. Did you perform experiments and follow the scientific method? If not, what you have faith in is not science, you are simply believing what you read. That said, the scientific method came out of love of Truth, that is, love of God. The idea that God is incompatible with science comes from a superstitious conception of God, one that has been refuted over and over again since the earliest days of theological thought. To say that The Truth doesn't exist is an invalid position. To doubt whether The Truth exists is also an invalid position because if you have doubts to begin with that means you believe in Truth. So what I'm really getting at is that people question God because CV they don't know any better. As it has been rightly written by theologians, the root of all heresy is the inability to distinguish between that which is created and the Uncreated. The Good news is that God is The Truth, The Truth is what sets you free and is the only savior. So believe. The burden is light. Side: The Truth Is
Science is knowledge. Truth is greater than knowledge. God is greater than The Truth. The Truth is typically considered an aspect of God, not the sum total. To say that God is the truth may be coherent, but to say that The Truth is God adds no clarity. what you have faith in is not science, you are simply believing what you read. We have institutions and societal norms which make a belief in the revelations of scientific journals more reasonable than a belief in so called devine revelations. While the scientist has internal and external incentives to present the products of experiments honestly, the cult leader has as much basis for his information as any other huckster or supposed prophet throughout history. The idea that God is incompatible with science comes from a superstitious conception of God Much of religion is superstition. Much of what people believe about god is incompatible with what we have learned from science. The Good news is that God is The Truth It’s irrelevant news. Most atheists will say they are lovers of The Truth and explain logically why it lead them away from Christianity (for example) Side: There is no truth
An atheist who claims to love The Truth is ignorant to the fact that The Truth is God. No type of reasoning can refute God. All of your issues with God can be rooted in understanding God as something other than what God is. The Truth. You aren't actually arguing against God, you are arguing against your own superstitions about God The Truth is God. So if you take God as being anything else, you are only refuting gods that were already refuted by monotheists long ago. In other words, I'm right along their with you. Of course, I accept the Christian faith because I understand it better. You don't accept it because you don't understand it. But believing in God doesn't imply that you also believe in Christianity, because how could you when you don't recognize its witness? Denying God is foolishness though, and if you can see how denying The Truth is foolishness, it should be plain as day why denying God is as well. Your idea about God isn't The Truth, God is The Truth and The Truth is God. You believe in The Truth, you believe in God. If you refuse to acknowledge The Truth as God, it in no way makes God any less the authority over your life. Side: The Truth Is
All of your issues with God can be rooted in understanding God as something other than what God is. I don’t have issues with God. I have issues with your characterization of God, which brings precisely no clarity to the matter whatsoever. Your issue is that you think you are arguing against an atheist. Of course, I accept the Christian faith because I understand it better. You don't accept it because you don't understand it. This is not an argument. I reject Christianity because I am a lover of Truth. The truths to be found in the Bible can be functional for some, but I don’t need them, or rather, I don’t need them from that source, which relies very little of facts. If you refuse to acknowledge The Truth as God By insisting on this inverted sentence structure, you merely demonstrate your lack of understanding of Logic, God, and Truth. Side: There is no truth
Sinc eyou acknowledge that you believe The Truth exists and you love it, you believe in God. Whether or not you acknowledge that this is God. The God I believe in is The Truth, and that is not something that is debatable. Rejecting Christianity is not the same thing as rejecting God. There are, after all, many religions that believe all sorts of things and make all sorts of claims about God. This is not a debate about Christianity. Since you say you Believe that The Truth exists, you are clearly confused and on the wrong side of the debate. The Truth is God though Thats what supreme being means. Thats what ultimate reality means. Now if you believe it, you should be happy to know that this would greatly expand your understanding of the subject Side: The Truth Is
Context is everything. The Truth is the God that I believe in. That is not debatable. But rest assured, this is what the word God with a capital G means. Even if you were to literally ignore all theological writings by church fathers and saints that expressly state this, you would still have the most well respected English dictionaries to confirm. Supreme being, supreme reality, ultimate reality... The Truth. You arguing that God is anything other than The Truth is like arguing that the word "tree" refers to the big fiery ball in the sky that appears during the day. So since you of course recognize The Truth, as it has of course been writen on the hearts of all, but deny this as God, in you is the scripture fulfilled that states.. "Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things." In the words of SAINT Augustine.. "If there is something more excellent than the truth, then that is God; if not, then truth itself is God." "Where I found truth, there found I my God, who is the truth itself" Or if you want to fast forward a thousand years, even the protestants recognize... Herman Bavinck wrote “God is the truth in its absolute fullness. He, therefore, is the primary, the original truth, the source of all truth, the truth in all truth. He is the ground of the truth – of the true being " Side: The Truth Is
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so tell me who verifies my truth as opposed to your truth Good question, but they're still called perceptions or world views. If you're a Christian, your perception is verified by the Bible. If you're an atheist, your perception is verified by estimates and theories. There's the perception that God exists, and the perception that He doesn't. There's no personal truth anywhere in there. Side: The Truth Is
What is in accordance with fact or reality is that we are all wrong and don't see things as they truly are. To admit this is to admit sin. God is That Which Truly Is. The Truth is eternal always existing A truth in contrast is contingent in relative things like circumstance and and perceptions. A truth was not always true and will not always be true, but is only true for a season. If there is a truth though, it could only be so if The Truth was somewhere in it. Killing a truth doesn't kill The Truth. Side: The Truth Is
I don't know or care about Deepak Chopra, but if he is saying what I am saying, how does that make what I'm saying any less true? You say my words are gibberish like someone who only knows English might call Korean gibberish. It isn't that what I'm saying is gibberish to you, it is that you either don't understand or refuse to understand. It's very simple What you know to be The Truth is not the same thing as what The Truth is in actuality. If you can't see that, there are children with more insight than you, and you should be ashamed of your haughtiness. But I think more highly of you than that, and I believe that you are capable of believing The Truth with sincerity. Side: The Truth Is
Because of the relation between the discipline of practical reason and the things in themselves, Hume tells us that the noumena exclude the possibility of the phenomena. Our inductive judgements constitute a body of demonstrated doctrine, and none of this body must be known a posteriori. Because of our necessary ignorance of the conditions, time abstracts from all content of a posteriori knowledge, and the transcendental aesthetic depends on, therefore, pure logic brings its own solution Side: There is no truth
I am the truth , that I exist is testament to the veracity of my words I knew it, the truth totally sucks. For a long time now I have suspected that there is no purpose or meaning to the truth, that entropy will always win in the end and that everything is nihilistically shitty. If you are the truth itself, then that proves I was right. Side: The Truth Is
No, I see the difference between a fact and a truth is that a fact must be known or proven, while truth doesn't have this requirement. You can't say something is a fact without proof, but something can be truth without people knowing it. So you should really be saying "you cannot say anything is FACT" instead of true. So to make that very clear, the difference between truth and fact is that a fact is intrinsically tied to knowledge while truth is not. Something can be true without being a fact, but a fact must also be true. So that is actually the subtle difference between a fact and a truth, I see this after checking a dictionary. Side: The Truth Is
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No, I see the difference between a fact and a truth is that a fact must be known or proven, while truth doesn't have this requirement. Facts don't have that requirement either. Facts are facts, regardless of whether you can prove them or not. The objective world exists regardless of human interpretation. Side: There is no truth
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You have it backwards, the existence of fact relies on the existence of truth. A proven or known thing can be true, yes. But something can also be true if it is in accordance with reality. Reality doesn't have to be science in order to be reality or true. There are many things we don't know, but us having not discovered these things does not mean that this unknown realities are any less true. Side: The Truth Is
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So you are saying that the only true things are the things you know to be true? That's what it sounds like to me. So what is it? Able to be verified or is already verified? Either way, your awareness of something or lack thereof has no bearing on reality, and that should be obvious. You don't know what car I drive or whether I drive a car at all, but the truth doesn't become untruth simply because you don't know. To say, "I don't know" is not the same as saying "what I don't know is false". Side: The Truth Is
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already verified Truth is verified. It is correct because of evidence surrounding it. are the things you know to be true Until something is proven, it is a theory. Theories are less true than things that are because they've been proven multiple times usually. Side: There is no truth
Truth is verified. Truth is truth regardless of whether it is verified or not. Until something is proven, it is a theory. Please get it through your incredibly dense skull that the objective world does not put itself on hold while you search for proof of something within it. Side: The Truth Is
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A theory does not have to proven in order to be true. Then, how is it true? A theory that hasn't been proven is still called a theory. or even a fact How can something be truer than a fact? Also, yeah. What's your point? We can say it's true all we want, but we have to prove it before it actually is. Side: There is no truth
Then, how is it true? Whether you can prove something has no relationship to whether it is actually true or not, you dumb donkey. That's how it is true. A theory that hasn't been proven is still called a theory. What the living hell does that have to do with whether or not the theory is true? Proof is irrelevant in terms of whether or not a theory is true. I might not be able to prove Ted Bundy killed a bunch of women, but that doesn't necessarily mean he didn't kill a bunch of women. It's honestly like talking to a child. You're so stupid. Side: The Truth Is
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That's how it is true. But there has to be evidence showing that it's true, no? Otherwise, how can you call it true? If there are no facts supporting it, how can it be in accordance with fact? he didn't kill a bunch of women And it doesn't mean he did, either. You're so stupid. And yet here you are, insulting me rather than debating me. How are you any more adult than I? Side: There is no truth
But there has to be evidence showing that it's true, no? No, there does not have to be evidence showing that it is true. I really don't know what is so difficult to understand here. Are you mentally deficient in some capacity? Whether you have evidence or not has no relationship to whether something is true or not. I'm at a loss as to how it could possibly be simpler. Would a diagram help? Or perhaps if I wrote in Chinese, would that be easier for you to understand? Side: The Truth Is
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Truth according to oxford.. "That which is true or in accordance with fact or reality." Reality according to oxford.. "The state of things as they actually exist, as opposed to an idealistic or notional idea of them." Exist according to oxford.. "Have objective reality or being." Being according to oxford.. "Existence" Side: The Truth Is
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So, truth means, (according to Oxford) "That which is true or in accordance with fact or the state of things as they actually have objective reality or existence", correct? So, is truth not objective by that definition? It's in accordance with objective reality, accordance meaning "in a manner of conforming". Side: There is no truth
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Right, so that means that truth is not subjective. In other words, since truth isn't the way things are as we know them, that means that some things are and some things aren't, regardless of whether you believe so or not. However, for truth to be known, we require proof. Side: There is no truth
You got it. Knowledge is inherently subjective. So there is a difference between a known truth and an unknown truth, but an unknown truth isn't untrue simply because it is not known. The Truth itself is something that absolutely cannot be known, because it wouldn't be what it is if it was known. That said, we can at least know that it exists. Side: There is no truth
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If you were totally ignorant of the laws of mathematics, would that mean that these laws are not true? If no one knew these laws, would that mean they are not true? Truths are discovered, they don't pop into existence only when they are known. They existed beforehand. Knowledge is not truth. Side: The Truth Is
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mathematics Mathematics is a human concept, no? So, who's to say that some mega-genius couldn't just change those laws? They existed beforehand Okay, but I'm saying we can't know those specific truths until we discover them, making them unknowns in our eyes. Side: There is no truth
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It can't be a truth until it's known. That's retarded buddy. Truth is what is real, which means subtracting humanity leaves you with no universe. It is clear that you are dramatically misunderstanding the context of the classic philosophy you are plagiarising. It can't be considered a truth to us or by us until it is known and proven. That doesn't mean objective truth does not exist independently of humanity. Side: The Truth Is
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I would like to point out that proof has to do with whether or not someone changes their mind. Proof to one is not proof to all. If I present you all the evidences for something in the world, even evidence that convinces every other person except you... you can still arbitrarily declare, "Ha ha, but you have shown me no proof!" In other words, if someone stubbornly ignores all evidencd they can declare that there is no proof and not be lying, because something isn't proof to you unless you change your mind. That snippet you took had to do with accepting Christianity. What is the point in arguing for Christianity when the person you are talking with doesn't even accept the very first premise? If you don't believe in The Truth, if you don't believe in God, nothing else makes sense. The name of Jesus means, "God Saves" or "God is Salvation". How can you believe on that name if you don't believe God exists? Well, children can have faith in their parents before they know, as can students or disciples to their teacher. When we accept God as The Good Teacher, we don't presume to know what we are going to learn. Just as a scientist must have faith in the method before they can perform the experiments to know, so is faith often a prerequisite to knowledge. In a world where pride is glorified, it can be hard to humble oneself, but sincere humility comes from an awareness of ones own shortcomings. Side: The Truth Is
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proof to all Yes, you have the freedom to choose whether you believe something or not. That does not affect whether it's true or not. But, the truth has to be proven for it to be true. Truth needs fact to exist, and fact works as truth's proof of existence. If facts don't support the truth, how is it true? shown me no proof Yes, and I would be wrong. You can deny proof. No one's arguing against that. Side: There is no truth
The Truth must exist, otherwise there could be no facts. Facts do not support The Truth, it is the other way around. I am asserting that because you believe in facts, you by necessity also believe in The Truth. I am also asserting that The Truth is God, so if you accept The Truth as being existent, you also believe that God exists whether or not you acknowledge God as being God. Side: The Truth Is
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Actually, it's the other way around. ou cannot say anything is a fact without verifiable evidence solidifying that truth. Facts are subsets of truths. The step to take is that truth is relative. So, If I drank a beer on Monday, I may not be able to provide verifiable evidence so it is not your truth. However, Since I know I drank a beer on Monday, it is my truth. ;) Side: The Truth Is
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truth is relative No, it's not. There's objective truth, and then there's perceptions surrounding that truth. If you drank a beer on Monday, it may be true or it may be false. Without verifiable evidence solidifying it as fact, it is not true. There are no personal truths. Side: There is no truth
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If I drank a beer and you did not see it, then from my perspective it is a truth. But, since I am the only person who can verify it, it is a subjective truth. In other words, a subjective truth is a truth that can only be verified by exactly one person. A personal truth. From your perspective (since you did not see me drink a beer and thus cannot verify it) it is not a truth. Therefore, some truths are relative to the observer. A relative truth. Notice that the definition of truth does not state that a specific number of people need to verify it as so. Something that is verifiable by multiple people is considered a fact. But something that is verifiable by exactly one person is a relative/personal/subjective truth. Also note that just because you cannot verify the statement (I drank a beer) does not make the statement false. There are facts and there are falsehoods. Falsehoods are things that have been verified by multiple people to be false. Since you (and a multitude of people) cannot verify that I did not drink a beer, the statement cannot be labeled as a falsehood. We already established that the statement cannot be labeled as a fact. Therefore, the only option left is a relative/personal/subjective truth. ;) Side: There is no truth
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verified Then it isn't a verified truth. Subjective truths don't exist, and I think you aren't understanding that. It isn't true if I think conflicts with another truth, is it? a relative truth ...does not exist. A relative truth does not exist. specific number of people Google the definition of verify and check the first example it lists. "his conclusions have been verified by later experiments". So, you have to have more than one source or experiment for it to be verified. is a relative/personal/subjective truth No, it's an opinion or a theory. We have to prove theories. If you were the only source to verify your theory that you drank a beer on a Monday, then it may not be true. cannot verify the statement Right, if it's just your word, then it's neither true nor false. the only option Incorrect. There are three things: facts, falsehoods, and neither. Your statement, while not being verified as false by multiple people, cannot be verified as true by multiple people either. So, it is neither. In other words, it is a theory. Side: The Truth Is
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little hope Look, if one person is the only source, it can only be true if they're telling the truth. So, you'd have to trust them. However, that doesn't change the fact that there's what actually happened and everyone's perceptions of what actually happened. Side: There is no truth
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That's what I am trying to tell you! The discrepancy between what actually happened and everyone's perceptions of what actually happened is known as subjective truth ;) Look, if you are a conservative, you should be familiar with the concept of alternate facts ;) Side: There is no truth
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Subjective truths don't exist, and I think you aren't understanding that It’s you who does not comprehend whats being said , of course subjective truths exist , Hitler believed Jews were second class citizens this was subjectively true for him and the populace , what do you find hard to comprehend in this ? Side: There is no truth
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for him and the populace No, not all German citizens believed that Jews were second class citizens. But, most did, yes. Also, I will continue to tell you and whoever the other account is that they are not called subjective truths, they are called perceptions, world views, or opinions. Side: The Truth Is
You’re trolling now otherwise you need to do a bit of reasearch , let me help , a subjective truth is a truth based off of a person's perspective, feelings, or opinions. Everything we know is based off of our input - our senses, our perception. Thus, everything we know is subjective. All truths are subjective Side: There is no truth
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