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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:50
Arguments:57
Total Votes:54
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Atheists have nothing to die for.

 

Religious people are just doing time here on Earth until it's time to go party in Heaven.

But God doesn't seem like a partying kind of guy,

so...

True.

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Wait..., what? No!!!

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Atheists have everything to live for because this is it. If they don't party now, they're never gonna party. That's why atheists throw the best parties ;)

Side: True.
debaterking(3) Disputed
1 point

but living to have fun is different to living and dying for something bro

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

As you get older you become less and less idealistic ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Dude this is stupid because people just die you don' have to have something to die for. Atheists won't go to heaven because they don!t believe but that's it.

Side: True.
Jace(5187) Clarified
2 points

Neither will the theists since heaven does not exist, but whatever.

Side: True.
1 point

That's really sad that you would say that heaven is not real because I know it is and I have proof. I can't make you believe in him but I can teach you the truth.

Side: True.
Jace(5187) Disputed
2 points

You do not know; you believe. If you had proof you would have presented it by now. If you could make me believe you would have done so already. You cannot teach me the truth because your delusions are not truth. Keep spewing your drivel if you feel so compelled, but spare me your sympathy.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

I feel sorry for you ;)

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Jace(5187) Clarified
1 point

P.S. CD 101: If you are responding to a pre-existing post rather than making an original post, select one of the blue hyperlinks (support, dispute, clarify) on the comment you are responding to. This will notify the debater you are intending to respond to, otherwise there is a high chance people will not know you responded and will never reply.

Side: True.
dreamer101(17) Clarified
1 point

How can you say that you are going to teach someone the truth when it's only a theory. Because at the end of the day, every idea about life and where we come from of where we go is just a theory. The creation theory, the big bang theory, the evolution theory, the Buddhist theory. They are all theories with their amount of "evidence" to each. I think that's the problem with humanity, we talk about facts when it's just opinions.

Side: True.
Noxter(92) Disputed
1 point

You have as much proof for heaven as I have for lepricons, exactly none :D

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Okay then I will make you believe. If you were going to tell a story about a Jesus coming down to save the world how you tell it? Would you have thought of a baby born of a virgin lying in a manger. Or would it be like a lion?

Side: True.
Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

I doubt it. You cannot even grasp basic forum navigation after it has been described to you. Fail idiot/troll is fail.

I would not tell such a story as anything but pure fiction, so really either option would be valid. This line of abstracted, hypothetical inquiry also in no way constitutes proof. You also have not rebutted my other point on this debate, so I take it as conceded until such time as you do.

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Which makes it all the more poignant when we don't enjoy/make the best of the brief life we have.

Side: True.
1 point

You are so blind, the scandal of grace. So to you the idea of Jesus is way too good to be true. The fact that the God of "gods" would come down to save us as a human is all too good to be true. I was adopted from Haiti when I was nine and now I am 15. I spent 9 years not knowing who Jesus is, I was taught to worship the devil. See Haiti is labeled one of the most dangerous countries. I starved and should've died. But I survived and I never knew why until I came here to American and I found out why. The unthinkable story of Jesus, the story that no human mind could ever make up. And you know it, just a much as I do.

Side: True.
1 point

atheists have nothing to die for because they ahem nothing to look forward to after this life.they do not have a purpose in life if they choose to believe that there is no god. all they know is this life

Side: True.
0 points

You are right, we have nothing to die for, as for death s the end of life. Therefor, we have everything to live for. We live because life is our treasure. We live because this is it, as a difference to religious people that live, to then die and "Live forever." So in that case, they live to die. We live because we only get one chance at life.

And by we I mean atheist!

Side: True.
debaterking(3) Disputed
1 point

so therefore you agree with the statement that you (atheists) have nothing to die for

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

On the contrary, for most theists, dying for something has little meaning.

"Dying for something" carries very little weight if it's done under the assumption that this life is merely a small starting point with an immeasurably better eternal existence following it.

Compare:

"For [person/cause], I would risk a permanent end to my existence."

vs

"For [person/cause], I would risk starting my permanent luxury vacation sooner than originally intended."

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Starchild123(832) Clarified
1 point

Actually, firm believers have a lot to life for. We live our lives in the way Jesus wants us to. We have to overcome sin and temptation. We live for Jesus, and if we fail to live for him we may face eternal damnation.

Side: True.
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
1 point

I never said anything regarding something to live for.

Side: True.
3 points

i think too many people are strangely considering god as the only thing there is to die for, which considering the lifestyles of people today is dishonest and inconsistent. there are infinite things you can find to do, experience, love, enjoy and die for, regardless of whether you are an atheist or a theist, therefore this question is somewhat flawed in that it doesnt really have much of an answer... even from a non-relativist point of view

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1 point

And God says when his child comes home He throws the biggest parties ever. God party's the right way. This is not drinking and drunk and stuff like that. Christians party they just party the appropriate way.

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Jace(5187) Disputed
1 point

Oh, please. Not all atheists have drunk parties, and not all theists (Christians if you want to be egocentric) have sober parties.

Side: True.
1 point

God actually said when his child (Jesus) comes back judgment will be cast upon all who lived and live. All of God's creation will face him for a final judgment of eternal life of eternal torment. All Christians don't party appropriately either.

Side: True.
Niffer(58) Clarified
1 point

I agree but when you accept Jesus he forgives you for everything you are going to do. He knows your future and He forgives you for it. He knows your past and He forgives you for that too. So all he wants is your heart. Doing good things is not going to get you to heaven. All you have to do is A, B, C

A. Admit to Jesus that you are a sinner

B. Believe in your heart that Jesus is the son of God and He came down to save all of us.

C. Confess your faith in Jesus and live you life for Him forever more.

Jesus says if you confess Me before man than I will confess you before the Father(God).

Side: True.

Atheists have everything to die for because they think they won't have another chance so they might as well do it right the first time. With religion though, you can believe in reincarnation.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Jace(5187) Clarified
1 point

Reincarnation... or an afterlife. Either way.

Side: True.
1 point

As if a delusional belief in an unsubstantiated omnipotence were the only thing worth dying for...

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

You don't have Jesus if you get drunk at parties all the time. And Christianity is not a religion.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
J-Roc77(70) Clarified
2 points

Is it a cult?

Really though if it isn't a religion they should pay those taxes they have been dodging, that would be the moral thing to do.

Side: True.
Jace(5187) Clarified
1 point

That would be the legal thing to do...

Side: True.
Jace(5187) Disputed
2 points

You don't have Jesus if you get drunk at parties all the time.

You cannot prove your claim anymore than any other self-identifying Christian could prove their interpretation. The only objectively based criteria for determining who is a Christian is self-identification, and by that standard there are plenty of Christians who get drunk.

You also failed to address that, contrary to your implications, not all atheists get drunk. Looks like your bright-line of moral superiority is as delusional and unfounded as your theistic beliefs themselves.

And Christianity is not a religion.

Christianity

Side: True.
Niffer(58) Clarified
0 points

You could not be more wrong. I never said all atheist get drunk. And you are right Christianity is not a religion, it's a way of living. My concupiscence for Jesus is strong. I strongly long for him and his love and mercy and grace. You failed to address the fact that no has ever proved that God is not real and no one has ever proved that atheist is right. So if you can't prove anything about it then you have no right to speak.

Side: True.

God created wine... out of water... He must have really liked wine ;)

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joecavalry(40000) Clarified
1 point

Why didn't he turn the water into Apple/Orange juice or milk? Those are nutritious drinks. But He chose wine instead. There must be a reason He picked wine ;)

Side: True.
1 point

The reason God made water into wine is because back then,the thing that people drink was wine. And Jesus never said drinking was wrong. He said that getting drunk is wrong.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

Did you not notice all the empty wine bottles during The Last Supper? ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

So doesn't mean anyone was drunk. And if you don't believe then, why do you know so much? And you can drink as much wine as you want just don't get drunk and make it the center of your life. When you have a problem just don't to turn to drinking wine. Some people drink and do drugs when their lives are getting overwhelming but Jesus says that's not going to help. Instead you give Jesus all of your burdens and he'll carry them for you. The things in this world will not be to your satisfaction for long. You should always turn to him.

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1 point

A disbelief in a deity does not constitute a lack of purpose in life. Atheists find meaning in many activities such as art, academia, sports, relationships, ext. They just don't find it logical or convincing that a deity or God could have predestined them, is all powerful, all mighty, omnipresent, omnipotent, and both a loving, jealous, wrathful God. They find God to be too closely aligned with a flawed human nature as present in the Old testaments. He if full of unbearable contradictions such as him loving all equally where he dams all those who are non believers to hell. What a true act of compassion from a loving father is it not! Aside from the egregious belief that we should all life our lives by divine book or our religion, Atheists express the right for free thought and an open perspective for debate, permitting them to become worldly individuals aware of diversity of though and belief. When an Atheists dies searching vigilantly for a divine entity they are not to be punished for their inquisitive natures. Their disbelief in the proof of a God does not mean they are not open to the idea. Atheists have just as much to die for as a fundamentalist christian. They have human connections to the world and the multitude of its fascinating properties, human relationships: love, betrayal, forgiveness, redemption, aesthetic beauty of: nature, animals, art, interaction with the world through senses, the aroma of a fresh pizza, feeling of a cool breeze on a sunny day, fresh feeling of a cool dip in a lake, technology: improved human capacity to live, Biology, the drive to reproduce, grow strong and powerful, Advancement: creativity, ingenuity, will to power, new authority and wisdom,Uniqueness: we are all different in some way, there is no identical human, our capabilities we know little of and we are all special in the way we interpret and go through life, we all lead different lives, all our journeys head in different directions, Atheists like all others would like to stick around to see what wonders lie ahead.!

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