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 Atheists if you died and talked to the Christian God what would you say? (41)

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Atheists if you died and talked to the Christian God what would you say?

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3 points

I presumably wouldn't have to say a word. If he is omniscient and my maker, he knows me better than I know myself. He would know exactly why I behaved how I did, exactly why I cannot believe in him, and exactly how I would respond to any punishment he could give me. I would simply accept his judgement silently.

Hitler(2364) Disputed
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But what if his judgement leaves you at the hands of a not-so-omniscient creature that has been toasted for an oh-so very long time and is angry at the universe for his affliction.

What if this horny creature takes his anger out on you...

Would you truly be able to remain silent or would your screams echo the spirit world?...

Only time will tell.

If that is how it is, it is inevitable. I'm pretty sure he would be disappointed by my screams though. They aren't very original or entertaining...

Are you really the maniacal psychopath described in the old testament or did humans just make up all that crazy stuff about you?

Hitler(2364) Disputed
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Oh no, Little Misfit, I am indeed the Narcissist that I was made out to be... Muahahahahahaha I shall now leave you to a madder psychopath than even myself, and oh boy is your soul going to burn...

Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Yeah... You have no clue either, just like AveSatanas. If you're gonna have a subjective reason not to believe in something, but then reject any subjective reasons that God exists, obviously you are a hypocrite.

2 points

First and foremost, if you want to debate me lose the attitude. I'm here for civil debate not petty fights.

Second, I don't see how what you said has anything to do with this debate or my comment. Regardless I'll address it anyway. If I'm understanding you correctly you're saying if I believe something for subjective reasons then I must accept everything that has subjective reasons otherwise I'm a hypocrite. I find it hard to believe that you really think that. If I tell you I have subjective reasons for believing in the tooth fairy are you a hypocrite for rejecting those reasons? Of course not. Not all reasons are equal, regardless of whether or not they are subjective.

My beliefs are based on whatever has the most compelling and credible evidence, and so far I find that both the logical and physical evidence for the existence of a god is severely lacking. So, the default position is to not believe in a god until compelling logical arguments and/or evidence are presented.

"I just don't like it when people claim that God is cruel, when there's a reason behind all He does."

Then god needs to explain his reasons because "mysterious ways" is not an acceptable answer when it comes to the horrible things done by the god described in the Bible. I have yet to hear a good explanation for his actions. If you think you have some good ones here is my list of things actions I find inexcusable. Feel free to take a crack at it.

When reading the Old Testament it very clear to me that people are just using god as an excuse to get away with committing atrocities and controlling people. I don't believe for a second that a benevolent god would actually sanction things like slavery, sexism, genocide, child abuse, and all the other horrific things attributed to him in the Old Testament. I have no doubt that those things are purely the works of corrupt men.

zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
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What you just said made no sense...

Yeah... You have no clue either, just like AveSatanas.

Actually Lilmisfit is one of the most well educated people when it comes to the bible I have come across on here, he has debated Christians on their interpretation of the bible, and has been more substantiated. He used to be a Christian I think, and/or mormon.

If you're gonna have a subjective reason not to believe in something, but then reject any subjective reasons that God exists, obviously you are a hypocrite.

Well first of all, I don't know what the hell you mean by subjective in this instance... it seems like a rather strange term to use here. subjective means mind-dependent when determining the reality of things, beauty is subjective, because what is beautiful depends on how you feel about various things. What is good music is subjective, because what sounds good, depends on your conscious experience of it. His reasoning, isn't so much "subjective" as what exists or doesn't exist doesn't depend on our mind. If a god exists, then said god will exist regardless of whether or not we believe in it, as truth is not a democracy. So his reasoning isn't... "subjective". Reasoning is our abilities to reason, to create reasons for this and that, for believing this and that, for thinking this and that, for doing this and that. I suppose that may seem subjective, but the coherency, and logical justification for reasoning is very much objective. His reasoning is probably that he has no reason to believe in god. The fact of the matter is, reasoning isn't really all that subjective because reasoning can be more or less substantiated. Not only is the term "subjective" here being used in a misleading way, but your sentence here makes no sense, and can be used against you... If reasoning for belief in god is subjective, like what tastes good is subjective, then by that logic, he can TOTALLY reject "subjective reasons" for why god is believable, while accepting "subjective reasons" for why god isn't believable. Also I can use this incoherent, word play against you...

observe:

Client444, If you're gonna have a subjective reason to believe in something, but then reject any subjective reasons that God isn't believable, obviously you are a hypocrite.

I am sorry if this seems a tad... mean, but I could not resist... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQCU36pkH7c

1 point

That is not how you show the love of Christ by calling names. .

Why did you impregnate Mary with yourself? That's just messed up man...

2 points

"You're an asshole "

Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

Hahaha, yeah... You have no clue what you're talking about.

AveSatanas(4425) Disputed
2 points

Provided it is THE Yaweh of Christianity this being would have flooded the world, caused sin, demanded sacrifice, condoned rape, condoned slavery, condoned witch hunting, created an unjust system of petty crime for infinite punishment, did nothing during the holocaust, 911, ect in the name of so called free will, and created a universe that appears in every way shape and form to be the product of natural processes when investigated down to the deepest level while also providing zero evidence for his existence yet demanding our unwavering devotion to him. In otherwords: an asshole.

1 point

Prove him wrong, Client. .

2 points

Atheists won't be saying anything .. God is not on trial .. they are . . . at this point, their decision has been made ... and now so will Gods . . . See Revelation 20 .. Man's Last Day in God's Court .. Part 1 of 3 .. Biblia.com .. gty.org .. Recorded Nov 20 1994 .. http://www.gty.org/MediaPlayer/sermons/66-77 .. full context http://dadmansabode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=740#p740 .. enjoy

Hitler(2364) Disputed
1 point

Inferno, I really hope you fix your typing style one day. It's worse than westernslave's.

zephyr20x6(2386) Disputed
1 point

Atheists won't be saying anything .. God is not on trial .. they are . . .

Having something to say to the Christian god is not the same as putting the god on trial. Why wouldn't god allow the person to ask "which god are you?", what would the god have against a question like that?

at this point, their decision has been made ... and now so will Gods

What decision

further more let's say it is the literal, old testament, interpretation of the biblical god. Whom flooded the world, inflicts infinite pain for infinite time as a repercussion for finite wrongs, whom could prevent evil but chose not to. I'd have a lot of questions for this god, and yes, it would be alluding to the immorality of god's actions, however if such a god is truly just, then said god should be able to justify himself easily to me. To explain to me why there is evil in the world.

1 point

Yo dude, can we skip the chit-chat and let me go str8 2 hell?

I am ok either way because god loves everybody. I don't see him sending people to hell just because they had good reason's to not believe in him. I mean did you know what happened to the Jews after going though hell at Germany most of the Jews did't believe in god after that.

Hitler(2364) Disputed
1 point

God loves no-one. He doesn't have a physical brain, nor the hormones required for such an emotional response.

Client444(61) Disputed
1 point

I'm gonna step into the den of the troll here. You've no idea what you're talking about. Obviously, God has a physical brain(in the form of Jesus). However, God's other two components(The Father and The Holy Spirt) are beyond my comprehension and I am unable to say what they look like. However, I do know that God does love every single one of us.

Which interpretation of the christian god are you? Also, why the fuck would you ever give us religion? What was the point of it all?

It's funny, because honestly, it is not like religion (or christianity) has ever done much good for humanity, regardless of whether or not a god exists, and yet we have so many issues from religion's existence.

Christian do big time projects. Ever heard of Operation Blessing? Or CBN? They do tons of nice things for other people. They do much good for humanity. What about Christian Charities?

I'd be like "Whoa. You haven't talked to any Christians in forever, and you pick me? Geez."

"Also, dafuq, man! WHY YOU BE HATING ON DA GAYS LIKE DAT"

QuestionMan(603) Disputed
1 point

"Also, dafuq, man! WHY YOU BE HATING ON DA GAYS LIKE DAT"

God wants everyone to be saved

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If he wants everyone to be saved, why create sin in the first place? If being gay is bad, why would he create gay people at all if he wanted no one to be bad?