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True. Wait..., what? No!!!
Debate Score:73
Arguments:71
Total Votes:73
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Being an atheist is a lose-lose belief system.

If you are right, you do not get to say, "I told you so."

AND

If you are wrong, you will literally have to hear about it for all of eternity ;)

True.

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Wait..., what? No!!!

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2 points

I don't know how anyone can be so committed to atheism ;)

Side: True.
Grenache(6053) Clarified
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Their UnGod is bigger than your God? Or at least the same size.

Side: True.
1 point

I don't have a God. ;)

Side: True.
1 point

HAH well......I mean that could kind of be true, through I think some people would say Atheists won't have to hear about it since they'll be in Hell, or Purgatory....whichever they believe.

Side: True.
1 point

I'll be at the eternal party.

There are drinks, which don't harm you (for obvious reasons). And no hangovers, because spirits don't need to sleep.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
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As long as there is tea, it's all good and dandy to me! Oh and beer....and food.....and books....

Side: True.

THE BIBLE MADE A FULL FLEDGED DECLERATION.

1)ISHMAEL'S SEED WOULD DENY CHRIST. (STILL HAPPENING TODAY)

2)A RELIGIOUS BEAST SYSTEM WOULD ARISE AFTER CHRIST THAT BEHEADS CHRISTIANS AND PERSECUTES THEM IN MASS. (ISLAM MATCHES SAID SYSTEM TIT FOR TAT AS DESCRIBED IN REVELATION)

3)THE GOSPEL WOULD GO WORLDWIDE.

4)AFTER THE GOSPEL GOES WORLDWIDE, THE REBELLION AGAINST GOD WOULD BEGIN. (HAPPENING NOW)

https://www.facebook.com/The-Christ-Project-1890498114505768/

Side: True.

Oh, give me one galactic heat death, no eternal life, and a world of Prozak to go please.... that is obviously the smarter choice.... (sarcasm)

Side: True.
1 point

If your atheist consider. When you die you practically have the 50/50 religion or not and some covert right before death due to fear of hell. But what is the point of living a terrible life then just throwing all that atheist pride away at death? What is the issue with living a life for religion? Christianity at least has good morals already set up guidance which most laws and basic morals are already set upon the bible. So why be atheist? apathy?

Side: True.
3 points

I hate pascal's wager, but sure, let's have some fun with it.

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If I'm right, no one will ever know. If I'm wrong, those wanting to say "I told you so" would be in a different place so I wouldn't have to hear it.

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On a side note anytime it's asked in church why there's so much pain and suffering in this world the answer boils down to us having free will. If heaven is said to be a place with no more pain and suffering, it would stand to reason there's also no free will; which would be my idea of hell.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
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That's like saying getting high is hell because you don't feel fully in control... maybe being fully in control is hell.

Side: True.
sylynn(626) Disputed
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I don't see the comparison. Another way I see it is many churches today do not teach a literal heaven and hell but rather hell being simply eternal separation and as it says in Revelation, there will be a new earth and that would be where the believers go. As it stands there's no evidence to support any of that is real, or that god even exists, but even if one day that evidence was provided, the god of the Bible is a dick and highly immoral; nothing deserving of worship.

With regards to your link, you can save it. I was a Christian for 35 years and won't be back.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

then again, you might get to hear it for eternity...

https://www.facebook.com/The-Christ-Project-1890498114505768/

Side: True.
-Yuri-(284) Disputed
1 point

No there is a verse in revelations I do not recall it of the top of my head that has the effect of -after death we will be all knowing- aka having a better understanding. we will know there is not point to make any action to bring suffering.

of course if I have to sure I will go source this verse but Just because im short on time this is what i had.

Side: True.
Bradylee(28) Disputed
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Well I always thought of it more like being that once you get to heaven you don´t lose your freewill so much as you just don´t make the bad choices, you know? like I could still choose to do something bad but I don´t want to because I made it to heaven and look it the creator of the universe!

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sylynn(626) Disputed
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I must disagree. In order to say for certainty there is no more pain and no more suffering once you get to heaven, it must not be possible to make a decision that could cause either, otherwise it's misrepresentation.

Side: True.
1 point

Pascal's wager? Really? :)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
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Hey, it's based on math so... ;)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!

It's still better than the religions. I could create better fairytales on the same drugs, yet they're the ones people follow, and take as their opium.

Though it'd be better if we got to say that. But sadly, it won't happen.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
-Yuri-(284) Disputed
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You make no points here against the resolution.----------------------------------------------------

Side: True.
1 point

I'd recommend you read more carefully than that.

(Hint : IT'S LITERALLY THE FIRST FEW WORDS.)

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

"You do not get to say I told you so". That's the problem from my point of view. If there IS a "God" HE would have the power to drop in and "tell me so". I wouldn't have to rely on a un-authenticated book pushed by possibly delusional salespeople. With so many scams allowed to flutter through HIS world, how can one believe in much of anything WITHOUT confirmation!? I need PROOF! As Reagan said, "Trust but verify." Apparently, my "GOD GIVEN" curiosity is faulty .... OR ... there IS no "evidence" we can rely on. So, I consider LIFE a win / lose situation, "Cest' la vie"! (excuse my probably misspelled French.)

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2 points

Religion can't exist without the gullible.

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1 point

The argument for this is called Pascal's wager and the argument against this is that you end up assuming there is only two options. When in actual fact there's at least 4 (Atheism with afterlife, Atheism without afterlife, God with afterlife, another God with afterlife). You could easily argue on the same basis from an Islamic perspective that Christianity is lose-lose.

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Not really. Islam claims the Bible is correct with its left while denying its eschatology with its right, and came after, thus false by default and common sense. If you say A is true and that B is false, then claim C is true, you cannot logically then say A = C, if in reality B must equal A for C to be correct.

Side: True.
1 point

I have more important things to worry about than getting one up on religious people.

Pascal's wager is pathetic.

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!
1 point

Even if an atheist were to pick a religion, that doesn't automatically mean it would be the correct one. Going by the logic expressed in the opening post, you could argue that any system of belief is lose-lose. Technically if religious people are correct, then there won't be anyone around who disagreed with them for them to be able to say "I told you so" to either, which in itself is a questionsble value to be so concerned about. But then, say atheism or an ideology a religious person wasn't a part of ends up being correct, they'll likely suffer the same fate as a nonbeliever would. In this sense, are we not just better off picking whatever seems the most likely to us without worrying so much about consequences that may or may not even exist?

Side: Wait..., what? No!!!