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Bernie the Hillbot?

So it turns out it's not just me who thinks Hillary is the best option we have this November; Bernie Sanders himself has endorsed Hillary Clinton. I'm glad he came to his senses. 

Over the next couple weeks we will have to listen to the death throes of the Bernie or Bust movement as they learn to fall in line. They are actually going over to Hillary faster than Hillary's supporters went over to Obama in '08. I guess we can thank Trump for that. 

What do you think of Bernie's endorsement? Revolution betrayed? A victory for pragmatism? Is this the end of white youth progressivism? How about Jill Stein? She's on the ballot in almost half the states! Maybe she could pull a Ralph Nader and give the country to another knuckle dragging idiot!
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Bernie merely ran a campaign rather than actually challenging Hillary-I expected him to stand by his revolution-personally I question the veracity of many of his proposals including the $15 argument and climate change-I think he's a sellout, who swings out in the eleventh hour

IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
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There's really no justification for that thought. Even if he was a "revolutionary", he'd be a fool not to realize that Trump would be more damaging to the "revolution" than Hillary would. He already said he is supporting Hillary almost entirely because he wants to prevent Trump from becoming president, and that's fully in line with his previous ideals.

Bernie was waiting for the outcome of the email scandal and now that it's resolved, Bernie "got your free stuff, right here" Sanders is throwing his support her way. The younger vote, Bernie's Basement Brigade, will stay at home on election day cleaning up their room and getting high. They will have little impact on the election.

AlofRI(3275) Clarified
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You can always hope, :<) ..............................................

So it turns out it's not just me who thinks Hillary is the best option we have this November; Bernie Sanders himself has endorsed Hillary Clinton. I'm glad he came to his senses.

1) when the other option is an authoritarian intellectual 3rd grader then pretty much ANYTHING is a better option. Obama with an extra chromosome would be a better option. This endorsement speaks more about how horrible trump is than how good hillary is.

2) What do you mean "came to his senses"? This was his plan from day one if he didnt win the nomination. Plan A was to try to win the nomination of course but whenever bernie was asked what he would do if he lost he always responded by saying of course hes gonna support the democratic candidate. This was completely expected and part of his plan.

Over the next couple weeks we will have to listen to the death throes of the Bernie or Bust movement as they learn to fall in line.

Yeah fuck those whiny people with principles. They ought to just fall in line behind the bland, unlikable, sell-out, establishment candidate like were supposed to do every single election like good little puppet voters.

They are actually going over to Hillary faster than Hillary's supporters went over to Obama in '08. I guess we can thank Trump for that.

40% of Bernie voters claim they will vote for trump or consider voting for trump. At least 10-15% will write in bernie and another 10-15% will vote 3rd party. That leaves hillary with maybe 30% of bernie voters if shes lucky. No, they are not flocking to her. In the end will they? Probably. But the polling right now shows a lot of very clear resistance to hillary.

What do you think of Bernie's endorsement? Revolution betrayed? A victory for pragmatism?

Its a big fat DUH. i couldve told you this was gonna happen months ago. I mean, i guess you could call it pragmatism, but since when was bernie not pragmatic? Hes not stupid enough to split the democratic vote by continuing to run or by endorsing a 3rd party. That would hand the election to trump.

Is this the end of white youth progressivism?

The fuck is white youth progressivism? Bernie attracted ALL youth. Period. He swept black millenials, white millenials, men and women milenials, indian milenials and all the rest.

How about Jill Stein? She's on the ballot in almost half the states! Maybe she could pull a Ralph Nader and give the country to another knuckle dragging idiot!

Jill Stein would be infinitely better than Hillary Clinton. But there is really no chance of her winning. Maybe due to the sheer unlikability of the candidates in the major parties her and Gary Johnson have a chance to reach 15% of the vote and get a place on the debate stage for next election. Which would be pretty awesome.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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This was completely expected and part of his plan.

Expectations involve brainpower. Hillary supporters don't have the capacity for expectations.

nobodyknows(745) Disputed
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First, Bernie's supporters were overwhelmingly white. It wasn't even close.

That brings me to my beef with the Bernie or Bust pouters. If they don't vote, vote for Stein or vote for Trump then they obviously don't give a shit about gays, Blacks, Hispanics, or women. Apparently, if they aren't going to get their student loans forgiven, they don't care that Trump is going to deport 11 million people and turn Muslims into second class citizens. At least they don't support those positions, but standing by and letting them happen is unacceptable.

I'm sorry that the republicans went and nominated a fascist. But when something like that happens you aren't allowed to be idealistic and vote third party. If a Bernie or Bust person does and Trump wins, I'd like to watch them rationalize their choice to someone whose parents are deported.

AveSatanas(4433) Disputed
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First, Bernie's supporters were overwhelmingly white. It wasn't even close.

Overwhelmingly white across all age groups, yet very diverse when you look at ages 18-35. He won Hawaii which has a population of mostly minorities.

That brings me to my beef with the Bernie or Bust pouters. If they don't vote, vote for Stein or vote for Trump then they obviously don't give a shit about gays, Blacks, Hispanics, or women.

Not true. If im actively voting for Jill Stein who has a very pro-lgbt record how does that make me against gays? If i write in bernie sanders who is very pro-lgbt how does that make me against gays? Hell, even the people who defect to trump to be vindictive could still be pro-lgbt, blacks, ect.

Apparently, if they aren't going to get their student loans forgiven, they don't care that Trump is going to deport 11 million people and turn Muslims into second class citizens.

Thats not what this is about. This is about being fed up with rigged elections and a rigged political system. Its so obvious how horribly unfair the democratic primaries were and people are sick of it. Its far more than just a hissy fit that their candidate didnt win. Its a fuck you to the democratic establishment which doesnt give a shit about the will of the people.

At least they don't support those positions, but standing by and letting them happen is unacceptable.

Trump isnt gonna deport 11 million people. Its simply not going to happen even if he tried. Same with the muslim ban which is just outright unconstitutional. Im sure most people voting for him for revenge are confident that his most insane policy positions wont pass.

I'm sorry that the republicans went and nominated a fascist. But when something like that happens you aren't allowed to be idealistic and vote third party.

Why not? Pretty sure we can vote for whoever we want. Dont blame that voters for voting in accordance with their own wills and priorities. Thats what democracy is supposed to be about. Blame the democratic establishment for alienating a HUGE portion of their own base by shoving hillary clinton down everyones throats when its obvious nobody fucking likes her.

If a Bernie or Bust person does and Trump wins, I'd like to watch them rationalize their choice to someone whose parents are deported.

And they will have to deal with that. But it wont be their fault. It will be the democrats fault for not electing a more likeable and electable candidate.

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Bernie ran a decent campaign that brought out several important points. He was a bit impractical on some, but they were important, none-the-less. Now, most will be worked on in a more practical manner. That is, if we keep Trump out of the White House!

One thing. Trump was a Clinton/ Obama supporter before he decided to run. Abortion rights; immigration; women's rights; climate change, etc. He's flip flopped on EVERYTHING to be the conservative nominee. If he wins he just might flip flop back .... one could always hope! The bad thing is, it would make little difference during his war, and conservatives would blame it on his "liberal background.

Funny, I can't imagine conservatives voting for someone who can't make a good speech without a ......."teleprompter"! HORRORS!

IAmSparticus(1516) Clarified
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Many on the right seem to be willing to give up many/all of their previously ever-so-vocal principles in order to vote for Trump.

AlofRI(3275) Clarified
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I think not so much "for Trump", but, against Hillary. After all, if half the stuff they have made themselves believe about her were true ( I ) wouldn't vote for her. It ISN'T.

They call her a liar. Show me a politician, Republican or Democrat (or other) that isn't! She is no worse, they ALL try to keep their ass covered.

I want MY country back .... from the obstructionist, oligarchists of the right!