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Fear is being used Fear isn't being used
Debate Score:17
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Beware Of Men Who Use Fear To Gain Power

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Fear is being used

Side Score: 13

Fear isn't being used

Side Score: 4
3 points

Machiavelli has this to say:

"And that prince who, relying entirely on their promises, has neglected other precautions, is ruined; because friendships that are obtained by payments, and not by greatness or nobility of mind, may indeed be earned, but they are not secured, and in time of need cannot be relied upon; and men have less scruple in offending one who is beloved than one who is feared, for love is preserved by the link of obligation which, owing to the baseness of men, is broken at every opportunity for their advantage; but fear preserves you by a dread of punishment which never fails."

Side: fear
1 point

Brilliant quote. Exactly the case unfortunately. I can't say anything else about it.

Side: Fear is being used
2 points

For being “Charismatic” I’ve seen Obama compared to Adolf Hitler and Fidel Castro on this site. It was pointed out that both were charismatic leaders who under the guise of hope, became ruthless dictators. I would point out that there have been charismatic leaders who did not turn into ruthless dictators. I would submit that the comparison is a sign of fear politics gone completely insane.

Even ignoring the deeply insulting nature of comparing any American, who has never commited any crime and who from his own words and by all accounts loves America, to these men - I will disect the comparisons. Knowledge is the best weapon against fear.

Fidel Castro came to power as a result of the Cuban Revolution which overthrew Fulgencio Batista, a dictator. It’s not as if Cuba was free, then Castro was voted in and just took over. He was not voted into power. He never ran for office, he assumed the position of Prime Minister in 1959, then in 1976 after redrafting the Cuban Constitution, appointed himself President. There have been fixed elections since. He uses fear to control his people. To compare an American election to this is tragic, no matter who the candidate is.

The Treaty of Versailles was signed in 1919 ending WWI. Germany was made to pay reparations and lost all of their territories. They were humiliated, and in this atmosphere Hitler used anti-Semitic sentiment, hatred and fear, to gain supporters. In 1923 he declared a revolution and tried to take Germany by force. He was arrested. After only five months he was released, and decided to gain power constitutionally. Through hate-filled rhetoric and promises of world domination Hitler was swept to power by a country desperate to regain some of its former glory. Even then he did not win. Paul von Hindenburg won the 1932 election. When Hindenburg died in 1934 Hitler became the consensus successor. No candidate running now or ever in this country has used hatred to gain power, and no candidate is promising world domination. And neither one is running for a position that they would become President only if someone dies. Only a sad and desperate fear could prompt that comparison, regardless of how “charismatic” the candidate they are comparing is. source

Every election since I’ve been alive I have heard how the Democrats are going to take away everyone’s guns. Yet no candidate in my lifetime has ever run on the platform of repealing the Second Amendment. Both candidates are for some gun control. One wants States to be able to decide for themselves how strict their gun control is. One does not, and wants the current gun control laws to remain. Neither is asking for everyone to turn in their guns. You agree, or you disagree, however, it is not a matter of one candidate or the other trying to start a coupe and declaring himself dictator as soon as everyone’s turned in their guns.

There is definitely a backlash against one of the candidates. He has a message of hope and change, whether you think these are just hollow words, or if you think there really is substance, these are not the tools of Hitlers and Castros. No, those men used fear to gain power.

Everyone is welcome to comment, enemy or friend. I’ll never block anyone I disagree with even if you hurt my feelings.

Side: election '08
1 point

Fear will ALWAYS be used by politicians and marketers alike. Let's face it, fear is a powerful emotion when used properly.

Both democrats and republicans use it. This will never end, so long as emotions are able to cause people to react.

Side: Fear is being used
1 point

Is fear being used, im not sure really however it certainly has been used in the past by ruthless dictators, Stalins purges, Hitlers SS and SA, of which was used to eliminate oppostion, his concentration camps which were active before coming to power in 34. Then you have the armed forces of Castro against Batista. People back then whilst were fearful, also looked to this strong dominant forces as a option in comparision to the weak gov at the time. Take Hitler, the Weimar Republic was in ruins after the Treaty and the depression and Hitler with his forces seemed to be what the people needed....

Side: Fear is being used

It is now 2015 and plenty of fear is being used in regards to the upcoming 2016 Presidential Election.

Side: Fear is being used
1 point

we should all ignore the evil out there and ignore all the problems of the world cause it's just propaganda. there's no radicals who want to fly their planes into buildings. there is no economic crisis. there's no climate change. there's no genocidal dictators who want to wipe certain countries off of the map.

nope, nothing to fear at all. and anyone who says there is is obviously a fear mongerer.

Side: Fear isn't being used
iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
1 point

Ah, sarcasm. No. That stuff exists, obviously I devoted two paragraphs to Hitler and Castro each, so I at least am aware that it exists. I'm just saying Obama isn't Hitler or Castro you understand?

The question is should we act different because things like that exist? Of course we should try to make our nation safer, but should we give up freedoms? Should we just let our leaders do whatever they feel without question as long as it's under the guise of National Security? I don't think we should.

At any rate, the point is that one of the campaigns, instead of focusing on solutions to the evils and problems you mentioned is instead simply saying, "That other guy's all new and scary. Hide your daughters!" Or whatever that Hilton/Spears ad was supposed to mean. You have Faux News repeatedly and purposefully switching Osama's and Obama's names around. There is a definite kind of underground current of fear manipulating some people. As I think any logical otherwise reasonable adult comparing Obama to past dictators is a sure sign of. Sometimes it's overt, like that ridiculous comparisons, and sometimes it's more subtle.

I take it from your statement that since there are problems and evil, then those are what should be used to run an election? And any election not run on fear of evil and problems is just naive?

I think that when you're afraid, you get less done in relation to these problems. I also think that when a campaign is so focused on the other guy, it's hard for them to find solutions to these problems you speak of.

I think it's very odd to say that the candidate running on the same platforms, with the same advisors, and same donors as the Bush administration is somehow the safer candidate when there are now more terrorists than ever thanks to Iraq, those policies have done nothing to capture Osama Bin Laden, and our borders are no safer now than the day he took office. Why if the evils and problems of the world were your main concern, would you support a candidate like that?

Side: fear
ThePyg(6737) Disputed
1 point

actually, there have been plenty of turn arounds on Obama's name with Osama and they don't even correct eachother on news organizations such as... MSNBC.

at least of Fox they correct themselves on the two or three times it's happened.

how often do you watch Fox anyways?

i think the real thing is Obama has already shown his socialist ideals and has been a person to rebel against cultural patriotism. not to mention his mentor (someone you look up to) has preached hate against america not once, but countless times in his church. I actually feel bad for Obama, cause even though all the evidence shows that he's some radical socialist, i can see it in his words that he really is a good man. just with lousy friends. he's probably been very unlucky.

the whole running on fear thing is really kind of bullshit. i mean... what is global warming? what is this "recession"? the fact that Americans died 7 years ago in an event that was random as fuck only opened our eyes. now, do i think what has been done was right? no. i don't think the Executive Branch should be wiretapping our phones with out any form of approval. but, that's what happens during a fuckin' war. nothing we can really do about it. hell, Lincoln did the same shit, and of course, he got shit for it.

they're not running on fear, they're running on the facts. we're dealing with probably the most dangerous enemy we've had. people who don't care about children, even their own. people who are glad to die. people who have access to all of our tv channels. people hate us just for being us, and will do everything they can to kill us all.

pardon our leaders if they "overreact" with wiretapping our suspicious calls.

Side: Fear isn't being used
1 point

You know fear has nothing to do whit power fear is used by steright in ones mind to prove an other to do what ever the other says why should it change i an other presons mind why not just anoure the other preson men are not the only thing on this plenat that use fear to gain power we're just like sharks every body is brave wen we chosse to and to you iamdavidh you have no Idea what your talking about i get me facts form all places you are just profiling me bye the way i type you are wat we kids call a hater cause you can prove what i do ok you mmm somebody

Side: Fear isn't being used