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 Bible Contradictions Debunked (3)

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Bible Contradictions Debunked

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Fun video I really enjoyed it. Despite our differences and our different view point on this topic I thank you for it. Now to assess these contradictions.

These contradictions are not only of the bible, and it's translations, they are of people and how they choose to misuses the contradictions. He says not to use only parts of a verse to prove that their is a contradiction but these are the same people who may use the exact same part of a verse to support their twisted reasoning.

Here's a list of contradictions that are not supported by the video's reasoning of where they come from.

Supporting Evidence: Contradictions in the bible, and their reasons. (infidels.org)
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Just reading over these I found a few to be particularly hard to explain as not being a contradiction, if you're as knowledgeable on the subject as the narrator of the video, maybe you'd shed some light on these passages, and help us understand how they aren't contradictions.

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The sins of the father

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.

DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.

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Which first--beasts or man?

GEN 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

GEN 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

GEN 2:18 And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.

GEN 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof.

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Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

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Jesus' last words

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

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I'll stop there, and let anyone else who has a specifically contradicting passage they may want cleared up from you, reveal it themselves.

trumpet_guy(502) Disputed
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I will address some of these now and some later when I have more time.

JOH 10:30 I and my Father are one.

JOH 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

Jesus and the Father are on the same level in terms of importance and power. However, Jesus willingly puts himself in submission to the Father by choice. This is illustrated by the biblical view of marriage. People who quote "wives submit to your husbands" many time misunderstand it. Men and women are equal in importance and power. A man cannot be a woman better than a woman can. A woman cannot be a man better than a man can. (I understand if arguments on this point start). However, the woman is supposed to willingly submit to her husband, with the husband loving his wife and willingly to selflessly love her (later in the chapter with the other quote it says "husbands love your wives").

MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

It is commonly argued that Jesus said all of these things before he died. This rather disputes the point the authors of the gospels collaborated their gospels, and supports the idea they based their gospels off individual eyewitness accounts.

DrawFour(2662) Clarified
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For the first one, how is the average bible reader supposed to know that this, of all the figurative language used in the bible, is the time to switch from literal meaning to figurative meaning? That seems far-fetched to me is all.

As for the second one, I can agree with that only if you can agree that maybe the contradictions in the bible exist because the bible is a collection of works maybe from as you said different eye witness, who may or may not have slightly or largely exaggerated things to make them seem more amazing, or drill home a specific point that they had in mind.

Honestly what's stopping one of the authors of those bibles from saying Jesus's last words were "No gays", then to have more people with that same philosophy to back his writing and to just have "No gays" added to "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit"?

lolzors93(3225) Clarified
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The sins of the father

Isaiah is referring to the spiritual absolutes throughout time, along with the righteous punishment of God. The context of the passage is referring to Satan (Isaiah 14:12), who has spiritual sons (Genesis 3:15; John 8:44). These sons will perish alongside Satan, and his angels, giving us the plurality of "fathers", who are all guilty, having actually done evil--the angels, the humans, and Satan.

Isaiah could also be referring to an actual punishment by God to the physical king of Babylon, through his children: make the children suffer as a punishment, not to the children, but to the father.

Deuteronomy is simply referring to the grounded national laws of the nation of Israel. What are the judges supposed to do when a father does wrong? Do not punish the child. In this case, the father, in theory, would not be the spiritual father of the child.

Which first--beasts or man?

The second chapter of Genesis has "formed" in the pluperfect, which is to say that it actually reads "had formed." Even at that, even if it isn't a pluperfect, the word "formed" is past tense, which could easily and simply be directed before the events of Adam being created, or it could be directed to after Adam having been created, showing a reflection on the past by the author. If the latter is the case, then it still wouldn't matter, since the first chapter of Genesis is widely recognized to be a summary chapter, giving summations of what happened in the days of creation. Summaries do not necessarily go on chronological order.

Is Jesus equal to or lesser than?

Jesus is God, just as God the Father is God; one being with multiple persons. However, the Son can submit to the Father's commands, while still being equal to Him, in that He is still God. Submission, thus, could be like that of husband and wife, in which she submits to him, while they are both of one flesh, as Genesis states, being equal to one another, since they are both in the image of God. Submission does not equate to value, nor greatness; for the least shall be called the greatest, and the greatest shall be called the least. However, it could also be that Jesus is actually lesser than God the Father, in the same way that the rational part of the soul is greater than the appetitive part of the soul, in Plato's dialogues, while both parts of the soul are still both soul.

Moreover, this could also refer to, and it probably actually is referring to, Hebrews 2:7-9, alluding to Psalm 8:5, which tells us that Jesus was man, which is lesser than the angels.

Jesus' last words

They all happened..... I'm not sure how anyone can see this as even close to a contradiction.