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1. You can't lose your salvation vs you can lost your salvation. 2. We are all equal vs slaves obey their masters. 3. We are all equal vs women need to be slaves. 4. We are all one in Christ yet yet Jews have a special covanent. 4. The good works of man are as rags vs be ye perfect as I am perfect.
You can't lose your salvation vs you can lost your salvation.
These are just two different opinions, it is not a biblical contradiction. It is not clearly spelled out so people try to derive the answer and come to different conclusions.
We are all equal vs slaves obey their masters.
There is a difference between being of equal value and being in equal position. Jesus was in equal value to the father, but submitted to his will. Slaves obeying masters is not an endorsement of slavery, it is endorsement of humility, and trusting in God for spiritual wealth and freedom instead of striving for worldly wealth and freedom.
We are all equal vs women need to be slaves.
Again, big difference between submitting to authority and being a slave. That and the bible only says women have to submit to their own husbands, not every male in the world. You can both submit to someone's authority and be their equal. It is a two way street. A husband who has authority also has responsibility.... Do I have to explain the shortage of responsible husbands and fathers to you?
In a truely free society, slavery would not exists and men are not the atuhorities over women. Women have equal rights. Men have no right to tell women what to do.
but apparently the majority of women like being controlled even though they fight for equal rights whenever i go out drinking all i see is women sucking up to men who have "authority" over them
its disgusting how most women contradict themselves
feminism has done more to change men than to change women. The ideals of attraction are still hard wired, but when someone turns up pregnant will that man out at the bar be ok with starting a family? No. He will say "well it was your choice to keep it, its not my responsibility"
why they dispute! I'm on your side.............................................................................................................................
Seriously? Has it ever crossed your mind that if God doesn't exist, Satan probably doesn't exist either? Or have you ever considered that the Christian god is 100% BS but there still could be something else "out there" (take it down a peg and just become a theist)?
4Real take the opinions of a 15 year old Canadian Atheist for what they are worth. You are on the right track, you have the right tools, you just can't reconcile what God says is right and what the world says is right. One has to be wrong... and the modern worldview was developed by a bunch of drugged idiots just 30-40 years ago.
What does the age, country or stance on deities of someone have to do with the validity (or lack thereof) of their argument?
I already had you with age, no need to spike the football. 15-year-olds do not generally have the experience someone would expect from a person who is advocating atheism to an adult. His input is of no value.
I already had you with age, no need to spike the football.
....Huh? You had me with age?
15-year-olds do not generally have the experience
Generally. Generally. Generally. Please remember your usage of this word, I'll refer to it below.
someone would expect from a person who is advocating atheism to an adult.
So you assume this individual does not have the experience necessary?
His input is of no value.
And this is the ludicrous moment I was waiting for, to bring up your usage of the word "generally". Here's the reality for you, adults can be wrong.....easily wrong. Kids can be wrong....easily wrong. Many times it is future generations down the line that end up correcting or improving the knowledge and technology we have. It's obvious that there are plenty of exceptions to your claim. There is no book that demonstrably withstands it's claims that a specific age group (in this case, 15 year olds), go through a specific set of experiences. You cannot meet a 15 year old stranger and describe to them in great detail all the experiences they have had as a 15 year old. You might be able to guess, vaguely what they've been through, due to our societal setup and biological tendencies, but not every single experience.
If a 10 year old and a 100 year old made the EXACT same argument, would you consider one more valid over the other? The answer should be no...it's the same argument, the same logic, the same evidence, all of it. So based on that logic, wouldn't it just be easier and fairer to hear their argument and validate or invalidate it based on their evidence? Why even care about how old they are? If a very persuasive, reasonable and evidence based argument was made and I considered it valid, I don't care if it was provided by a 5 year old or a 100 year old.
ere's the reality for you, adults can be wrong.....easily wrong. Kids can be wrong....easily wrong. Many times it is future generations down the line that end up correcting or improving the knowledge and technology we have. You mean when the future generation is older than 15. There is no book that demonstrably withstands it's claims that a specific age group (in this case, 15 year olds), go through a specific set of experiences. Nope, but I can arguably reason a 15 year old will be more experienced when he is 16... when the 16 year old will be more experienced when he is 17. and so on and so forth. I could probably also find books that will tell you a 15 year old is just begging to comprehend his place in the world. If a 10 year old and a 100 year old made the EXACT same argument, would you consider one more valid over the other? Yes. The answer should be no...it's the same argument, the same logic, the same evidence, One of those person's viewpoints has the possibility of being based on direct experience, or maybe years of consideration, the other person's viewpoints could not have been. So based on that logic, wouldn't it just be easier and fairer to hear their argument and validate or invalidate it based on their evidence? he didn't give any evidence in the first place did he. He just gave his opinion.
You mean when the future generation is older than 15.
No, I mean the future generations, of all ages. I can give you lists of links that link back to kids who have created our improved our knowledge and/technology. And I find it note worthy that most (if not all) High IQ Societies have absolutely no age restriction.
Nope, but I can arguably reason a 15 year old will be more experienced when he is 16... when the 16 year old will be more experienced when he is 17. and so on and so forth.
More "experienced" doesn't equate to improved cognitive processes. It doesn't guarantee this person is going to be "smarter" than their self a year ago or anyone else in that age group. People "experience" all the time without it changing them for the better.
I could probably also find books that will tell you a 15 year old is just begging to comprehend his place in the world.
Oh no, I'm sure you could.
Yes. One of those person's viewpoints has the possibility of being based on direct experience, or maybe years of consideration, the other person's viewpoints could not have been.
I love it when people refute themselves.
he didn't give any evidence in the first place did he. He just gave his opinion.
Which is a method of posting that is done here. Some people state their opinion with evidence, and others just state their opinion and if people want evidence then they debate, providing the evidence. Just because it wasn't initially provided the second it's claimed in a debate, doesn't mean the claim is invalidated, even if they attempt to use evidenced based arguments after.
You shut this person down simply due to their age, country of origin and stance on deities without a second thought. It was all you needed to know, in order to dismiss them. That gives more weight to you needing to "experience" more than this "15 year old".
15-year-olds do not generally have the experience someone would expect from a person who is advocating atheism to an adult. His input is of no value.
While I do agree that a person's age can impact their intelligence and experience, this does not make their points invalid. An argument stands on it's merits.
I am not obligated to agree with someone on anything. My mind belongs to me. I will believe as I see fit according to the proof given to me. Age, weight, ethnicity, skin color, nationality, income, marital status, sexual orientation, theism, deism, or atheism do not entitle someone to my intellect. I will judge each idea on its merits or alleged merits according to the evidence available to me. There is nothing wrong with me agreeing with God and "the world". I have every right to question anything and everything. Im sorry if that offends your delicate sensibilities. Some people including myself are capable of independent thought. You dont even care what that kid says, you just want to dispute me because you know Im a prochoice liberal, and that my dear holds no logic. If you are going to dispute me, do so based on a logical reason like not agreeing with my content. I could say more, but someone would accuse me of an ad hominim attack, so Ill leave it at this.
Im not quite tracking everything you said here... If you look clisely, you really don't argue anything I have to say, you just bring up new things or you put a bizzare spin on my position (ie, when did I say someone had a "right to your intellect???)
There is nothing wrong with questioning thr authenticity of the bible, or any other "holy book." If only everyone did that we would have a lot fewer mormons and muslims and more Christians.
Arguing against an omnipotent god who created you, on the other hand, is ill advised.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."-Galatians 3:28
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."- 1 timothy 2:11-12
So one minute men and women are equal and the next minute women have to remain quiet and have no right to share there opinion or to teach. Bullshit.
"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."-Galatians 3:28
Context is key, this is reffering to the kingdom of heaven.
"A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet."- 1 timothy 2:11-12
No, this is faulty logic. The definition of a contradiction is "A and B at the same time in the same relationship." This is "A and B at the same time and in a different relationship. So no contradiction.
Actually this is not a contradiction. I will quote AngryGenX for this since he explained this better than I would have.
AngryGenX: " There is a difference between being of equal value and being in equal position. Jesus was in equal value to the father, but submitted to his will. Slaves obeying masters is not an endorsement of slavery, it is endorsement of humility, and trusting in God for spiritual wealth and freedom instead of striving for worldly wealth and freedom."
A man and woman may be equivalent in value, but unequivalent in their current position.
I'm not sure you are understanding the verse itself.
Galations 3: 28 reads: There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
This verse hints to the way God sees all of us as equal. Not the way we see each other as equal. Humans do not see everything God can see. Does that make sense to you or do you wish to have more clarification? I do not mind which option you choose.
If you read the context, the key part of that verse is "jew nor greek" it spells out that there are no second class citizens in the faith. The same author (Paul) gave detailed instruction on the structure of family; saying wives should submit to their husbands and they should submit to eachother in their faith in Christ.
The key thing to take away is that Christians do not believe in a heaven like Muslims, where you are greeted by 72 virgins and your wives are there to serve you.
If you have to submit to someone else just for being born a certain gender and them having authority over you because of your gender does mean you are being treated like a lesser human being and second class citizen.
Actually, everyone is born as a subject of your Creator, Country and parents, regardeless of gender. A woman only comes under the authority of a husband if she gets married. Unlike Islam, for example, there is no general rule that says "men manage the affairs of women." There are parts of the hadith that say women are mentally inferior to men that have no counterpart in the Bible. The words in the bible seem to be chosen very carefully to not condone such abusive behavior, for example, wives are told to submit to your own husbands... Not "the husbands" not "all the men you know."
It's not. You lack basic understanding of societical and position wise placements. Everyone is equal under God's eyes. However humans may do other wise. You are trying to treat God's view as your own.
I was a low ranking soldier in the army... was I of less value as a human being because I had to do what I was told by officers and higher NCOs? I don't think so. But on the other hand, doing what I was told by those who were placed higher than me, enabled all of us to contribute and do what we needed to. But it is not a one way street. They were working longer hours than me making sure I had what I need to do my job. They were looking at the big picture so I could just focus on the task in front of me and make sure it is done. You can even call it a master/slave relationship if you want. I don't care you know why? Because the job got done right.
Marriage and raising children seems pretty similar. It is a complicated task that needs a lot of support, you only get one lifetime to get it right. You can experiment all you want. I'm going to make sure my family works correctly.
There are none. You just have to look at the context of the verse is and the meaning behind of it. A lot of the "supposed contradictions" people speak of are complementary which is really adding on to what the person originally said. Basically acknowledging it.
Except for those. Also please explain how there are different contexts when talking about numbers of soldiers in a battle and things like that. Facts are facts.
Here is 439 contradictions that this guy explains them all. And he goes through each and every single one. I compared the website you gave me and the one the guy did and they both have similar contradictions that were said in your website that you linked to me.
