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Bill to outlaw premarital sex.

Don't worry, no such bill exists (at least not that I know of) but if it did would you be in support of it, or opposition of it? Why?

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The government has no business legislating marriage period, much less dictating restrictions as to what is 'allowed' to go on inside or outside of marriage.

Side: Oppose
Stickers(1037) Clarified
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So, all of the provisions? Would that include revoking rights such as changing the surname upon marriage, and joint filing of bankruptcy? Would you still support having any new prenuptial agreements being enforced by law?

Side: Support
thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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I recognize that there is a need for these provisions, but I feel that they need to be separated from as loaded a term as marriage is, and should not necessarily have any of the 'requirements' that marriage has.

Certainly infrastructure would need to be in place for these provisions; I suggest that civil partnership be used for this. The only limitations I would place on civil partnership would be that all partners involved must be sound of mind and at or above the age of majority. There need not even be any romantic connotations with the partnership.

In this model, marriage is romance/spirituality but not legally binding, and civil partnership is legally binding. If you want to get married, you find a church or secular organization that will conduct a marriage ceremony for you- but that gains you no rights or special status in respect to the law, and the requirements and parameters for the marriage are set by the organization performing it. If you wish for legal benefits such as those you noted, you enter a legally binding civil partnership with the other party/parties involved. The two are not mutually exclusive; you could have both a marriage and a civil partnership with the other member(s) of your relationship, you could have one or the other, or neither.

Existing marriages and civil unions would be 'automatically' granted a civil partnership under this model. This gets the government out of marriage entirely, purges the gay marriage issue from politics, and does so without sacrificing any of the rights that current spouses enjoy and without stepping on any toes.

Sure, a given church or secular organization may not recognize your marriage as legitimate if you don't fit into their definition of marriage, and they're free to do so- it's not as if any given church recognizes anything any other religion does as remotely legitimate anyway- but your status within a civil partnership would be protected by law.

Side: Support
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Pre-marital sex already comes with its own hazards, it's a waste of state money to put up with all the legal fuss and the incarceration process.

I believe that, in Massachusetts, premarital sex is illegal (ie a ten dollar fine that is not even enforced and it's a wonder that it's still in the books).

Side: Oppose
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I'd oppose such a bill, as it's no concern of the government, or anyone else, what you do with another person (as long as they're consenting adults).

Just an interesting point of fact, though, in some states, premarital sex is illegal, technically. Of course, it's not enforced and is one of those primitive laws that dates back to the Victorian era that no one really realizes is still on the books.

Side: Oppose

I don't think such a bill should ever be enacted in regards to two consenting adults.

Side: Oppose